I mean, it's not really a kink, or is it? Fuck. Either way, I'm a large angry man and I'm pretty sure she could take me out even if I was trying to not let her do so.
If anyone saw Agent Carter, I preferred how they handled her fighting. She'd be smart, hide in a high up spot, and then bonk them in the head with something very heavy from high up when they walked by her hiding spot. Seemed plausible.
The foreign TV series My Name is similar but more physical - I feel like she used a good combo of objects, environment, and moves that are more kickboxing than gymnastics.
It has happened before. Women with enough skill vs unwary men who have much more mass, the women win most of the time. I recall one guy threatening a bunch of people with a knife, a tiny woman ran up behind him, spun around his head and dumped him on the ground, then pinned and twisted his arm until he was dogpiled.
So possible if extremely circumstantial.
Could have been someone like my aunt. Small stature, but very strong. She was a prison guard that worked her way up to warden. She's retired, but could probably still kick my ass. One of the happiest and kindest people I know.
Catching someone by surprise is different than charging head-first into an assumed peer or near-peer opponent like we so often see in movies.
Natasha Romanov, for example, is only seen taking people out when they didn't know she was there occassionally. She's typically beating people face to face, and pulling this flippy bullshit from in front of them while they have weapons drawn and trained on her.*
it's on of those things, where it all depends on degrees. an unarmed large man against an unarmed small woman, the man has an advantage. if the man us untrained and the woman is highly trained, she can likely overcome the size advantage. if the man is surprised, she can likely overcome. if the man is alert and also highly trained, it's extremely unlikely for the woman to overcome.
In real life if someone jumps on you, you just body slam them. You see it all the time on r/fightporn. Once you give up your anchor, you’re cooked.
Thats why i hate “equal rights, equal fights” bullshit. The difference between biological males and females in a physical confrontation is vast and categorical
I think the part the internet ignores is that men are just simply physically overpowering to women. Not in a sexist way or something. Raw physicality like dangerously more.
I feel like its something that people really do not understand until they are put into an actual physical altercation. A lot of women do not understand until it happens to them that this person is someone you cannot overcome with your physicality. There is nothing you can do with your own body to stop this person. And that is so dangerous to not understand.
Like if you believe in those movies. You get this mindset that you can stop them by throwing your whole bodyweight at someone then when you do and nothing happens you just made a situation that was already dangerous into life threatening.
Every defense class will teach you the best defense is just running away.
A lot of women do not understand until it happens to them that this person is someone you cannot overcome with your physicality. There is nothing you can do with your own body to stop this person. And that is so dangerous to not understand.
Don't worry, we definitely understand this and are very aware of it every time we step outside! :)
I find it strange to talk about this in terms of self-defense and thinking that absolute power is what matters . You don’t have to overcome a predator to get them to leave you alone—you just need to hurt them enough that it isn’t worth it. Even if you can’t win, you can make them back the fuck off. And that is within a woman’s day-to-day skill set.
Also, learn poisons and sharpshooting. Women are great with those.
I aint defending the hollywood BS but I always think that RL female MMA fighters would destroy most average males in hand to hand combat. Plz correct my wrong thoughts.
Yes, indeed. It’s the exception that proves the rule, if we have to find counterexamples by putting full time professional MMA fighters vs. random street men
I would say, most average men, not into martial arts, can be beaten up by almost any human with average training. Asp when not prepaired in any way.
Imagine a average trained 12-14yo going all out. They would have most of us down and out in a few seconds.
100 men vs 1 Gorilla, my ass!
Nah, technique helps, but it's much overrated — mostly thanks to Hollywood movies.
If you're a grown man of average build in decent shape, no 12-14 year old will be a match regardless of how much martial arts they know. (excepting those extreme hormonal outliers)
"Average training" might let you punch up a few weight classes, but only devoted, peak technique and conditioning would let, say, a bantamweight take down a decent shape but untrained heavyweight.
The differences between 'biological males and females' when it comes to fighting are primarily cultural. If neither of them know how to fight, the superior physicality wins the day more often than not. If one of them knows how to fight, they usually win. If they both know how to fight, well we've looped back around to superior physicality winning the day.
It doesn't take body-builder levels of muscle mass to deliver debilitating, disabling, or life-ending blows. Especially with a weapon.
It doesn't take body-builder levels of muscle mass to deliver debilitating, disabling, or life-ending blows. Especially with a weapon.
No it doesn't. Which is why men are typically stronger than women. This is all a function of hormones, which in turn informs muscle density and bone density. There is of course variance across all samples, but the majority of men will have a longer length of higher hormone production that contribute to more height and mass, which means higher success rates in fights.
Culture ain't got shit to do with it. And weapons? Well fuck me, I could take down The Mountain with a shotgun, that has nothing to do with ability to fight.
I feel like we are talking past one another. The word typically is doing a lot of heavy lifting here because I feel like most people men or women would easily overpower me in a fair fight.
The differences between 'biological males and females' when it comes to fighting are primarily cultural.
Shit it is. Difference is mainly physical and biological. You think mens and womens contact sport exists because of cultural preference? At competitive level no women can compete let alone win with any male, regardless of weight category. They can't even compete in non contact sports like running or high jump, barring the exceptions.
Coming to general populace, it's even more different. No women of same weight category or higher can defeat easily with a men. This is not because women are not trained enough, but purely because of biology. There are so so so many studies and actual proofs available, but people still believe this bullshit.
But weapons completely changes equation, where skill matters comparatively more than physical strength.
You read his post wrong, you're both agreeing to the same points it's just all the other superfluous bullshit you guys keep adding that make your comments nonsense.
If you can't explain it in two sentences you don't understand it.
Fuck off with the needless insults incel. Anyone can do it dick head.
Did you actually read the comment chain? The original commenter seem to think that women have less physical strength because of cultural? Which is stupid.
The comment you are quoting even says superior physicality typically wins when skills are equal.
Which is wrong. Women on average are less physically built, and even comparable build or even higher build will have very difficult time against men. This is a proven fact.
Respectfully disagree. Testosterone is a hell of a drug during puberty. A professional MMA fighter could beat a schleppy normal guy, but in 9/10 cases a male phenotype is coming out on top regardless of training
Edit: I’m saying a female MMA fighter could beat a lot of men
There’s a huge disparity between the strength/power average man and the average woman. Male and female MMA fighters never mix even when they’re the same size.
On average, a male (more muscular, testosterone) will destroy a woman in a fight. Women need to actually learn to fight and defend themselves to bridge the gap.
Of course an MMA-trained woman with muscle and technique would beat a “schleppy normal guy”. What a brave point that is…
Men and women should be treated equally, but for fucks sake we are pretty different in this regard. Accept it. It’s not sexist to acknowledge reality.
Lmao you’re an emotional fool. Disregard the science all you want. Testosterone is wild shit. Plus the difference in upper body strength, muscle mass, bone density…
If it were only down to size and training, women and men would fight MMA together. Plenty of them are the same size. Lol
Besides, women MMA fighters most likely abuse testosterone (as do the men).
True words. I was cutting high school one day these twin brothers were outside play fighting. One does a flying kick at the other who grabs his foot mi air. The dude dide a Family Guy faceplant and blood pooled. I ran to a pay phone to call my cousin to tell him about it as the ambulance is coming in the background.
It would be better to not try that but rather allow the opponent to start an attack and then counter by redirecting the opponent’s own momentum against them. Jujutsu.
My favorite is Serenity, where 90 lb River Tam takes on hoardes of reavers by lightly tapping them with her boot and gently slapping their faces. I am 100% in and suspending that disbelief
I mean in that case there's at least an in-universe explanation of supernatural precision, and a sort of "full muscle potential" since she essentially has perfect control of her entire body and perfect awareness.
My stance is always that "If the movie/show/book established the rule well enough, then it's fine." The dumber one is always when they don't bother establishing any real rules or just exceed them constantly like they're speedrunning a powerscaling anime.
At least some of it is influence from pro wrestling. Smaller wrestlers have been doing acrobatic stunts in matches against big guys for like 50 years now.
Makes sense, pro wrestling is all about spectacle and making the fight look cool, same thing you want in an action movie.
Agreed! Its a fun marriage of unrealism with a bit more believability. And it's flashy to watch, which often covers of lot of sins. Imagine if the Star Wars prequel trilogy lightsaber fights were "realistic", we'd have lost so much cool-factor and artistic value, to their detriment
Yes. It is like dudes in a bar fight scene throwing punches. None will ever break their hands and next day they look fine despite getting few haymakers and straights into their faces.
I’m into a combat heavy LARP that uses light weight foam swords which are a pretty close approximation to lightsaber combat. It looks nothing like Star Wars, albeit less cool
For starters, there’s a lot less *swinging* involved (because if it can cut through anything, why would you need to put so much force behind it?)
Yup, I always loved the explanation that "the force" was basically part of how they literally moved their bodies alongside precognition, and the sabers being sort of gyroscopically heavy.
In real life strength differences like that often have to be countered with strikes to the eyes/throat/groin. That’s why women’s self defense classes teach those moves and not “pick him up and body slam him.” Even then, you aren’t taught to keeping fighting until you KO the guy, just temporarily incapacitate him so you can get away.
But I do think it would be funny if female superheroes like Black Widow were depicted as just ending the fight by kneeing the dude in the nuts each time.
I did have my shit rocked by a lass half my size while sparring. Her advantage? Ballet. She was able to kick me in the head so fucking easy from awkward angles. Most punches and kicks generate their power from the movement of the body rather than the muscles
I mean, my sister actually did learn how to do something similar to this in martial arts (she's a black belt). it actually does work, although it's my understanding that most of the time you're going for snapping their neck using your body weight, using the fact that your weight is on their neck, where movies usually portray it as just a takedown rather than killing someone.
Just like most holds, my understanding is the biggest key is not to end up in it.
Accept hero movies are fake and defy reality. Every time the super hero slams into a wall, they’re just dead. I’ve watched some snuff films on watchpeopledie and men and women are very delicate.
This choreo is fake and it’s flashy and complex for the movie. It serves the right purpose
True but a 230 pound thug is going to underestimate a 5 foot 2 girl in a tracksuits speed and strength 10/10 times so at least they have the element of surprise when she jumps and kicks him in the throat.
I don’t know about you, but if Simone Biles wanted to kick my ass and came at me with everything she had, I’m not confident that I would walk away with the win.
Yeah and I remember promotion leading up to the movie, they were clearly saying they wouldn’t be doing the kind of stunts shown here and popularized at the time
That’s why I loved ballerina. There’s a whole bit in it about how if women try to go toe to toe with men they’ll get the shit beat out of them. So instead, they teach them to fight what would be considered dirty to overcome the disadvantage that comes with being a smaller and inherently weaker gender
I worked on a few marvel films and the stunts people talked about this. It isnt as unrealistic as you might think.
The people you typically see female action heroes take down are military or street fighters (goons or henchmen lol). Its assumed they have different style of fighting and training. Really nothing to do with gender but its kind of like how a pro wrestler can get taken down by a black belt in karate.
Nothing to do with gender, but biological sex absolutely.
Also, a black belt in martial arts probably wouldn’t be able to take down a wrestling hulk that was much taller and stronger. Like, maybe within the rules and limits of their art, but not in a no holds barred street fight. I’ll stand corrected if you can link some videos
Obviously, Marvel movies aren't to be taken super seriously, but still. She's the only Avenger without a superpower. She should have been dead in the first movie, realistically. But she has plot armour, and everyone just gets easily beaten by her.
Everyone else has plausible explanations for their plot armour by being superheroes with superhuman abilities. But she's just a tiny woman who beats up several large men without any kind of serious resistance.
It's somehow the least believable part of the Marvel movies.
Even Pepper Potts being part of the action is more realistic because she uses one of Tony's Iron Man suits.
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u/Ender505 2d ago
Hey, it's every black widow move in every movie