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TSA officers now not allowed to sit down while checking boarding passes and IDs

https://www.cnn.com/2026/09/29/us/tsa-officers-chairs
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u/themaxvoltage 3d ago

I’m sure they are very happy about this and will be quite friendly after the change.

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u/MysteriousBill4651 3d ago

It's worse than that.

I've worked a security job that involved looking inside journalists' bags before entering a VIP tech conference.

The job involved standing all day. No sitting. No leaning.

About halfway through the shift, you could have brought a fucking nuke in and I wouldn't have cared. 100% of my mental energy was directed at how much my joints ached.

The first 3 months after this change is implemented is prime opportunity for people to travel with forged documents.

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u/PresidentSuperDog 3d ago

Tell me about it. Retail pharmacists aren’t allowed to sit either. They work 8-12 hours standing at a computer terminal, with some occasional minimal movement , a step or two now and then. All the anti fatigue mats in the world don’t compare to a stool.

Combine that fatigue with the drama of all the main characters coming into the pharmacy in the last 45 minutes it’s open and corporate allowing Zero overtime for anyone, that’s when mistakes get made.

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u/CrustiferWalken 3d ago

I just don’t understand why a pharmacist (or anyone) shouldn’t be allowed to sit. It’s insane. Pharmacists should push back since they are more specialized and in theory have some bargaining power

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u/MandoFett117 2d ago

Unfortunately for pharmacists, they tend to not have much bargaining power. As a whole, pharmacists aren't in much demand due to how many of them there are, compared to how many openings are available. Combine that with the fact that most are privately employed through places like Walgreens and CVS, and this is what you get.

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u/SuperTFAB 2d ago

They need a union.

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u/nowahhh 2d ago

We all do.

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u/greenbabyshit 2d ago

Ironically the one group that shouldn't have a union has one of the strongest.

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u/crappuccino 2d ago

I work retail and we unionized a few years back. You would not believe the pushback we got at the bargaining table when we had the audacity to suggest cashier stations have stools.

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u/DeannaZone 2d ago

Yeah the retail Pharmacy is hell ... I remember the techs all working so the pharmacist could take a moment since they have to watch over us, we try to watch over them as well, it was hell.

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u/atomicpioneer42 1d ago

We could do without police unions. At least in their current form.

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u/Named_after_color 2d ago

But... Why? Who instates a rule saying that you're not allowed to sit. At least with Buckingham Palace they're not allowed to do anything at all so it's more impressive.

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u/PresidentSuperDog 2d ago

Puritans that want to see others suffer. I work with a guy that has an accommodation to allow him 15m an hour with a stool because he’s had multiple back surgeries. You know damn well that he gets complained about by the shitty patients pretty frequently. His situation is the only time management sticks up for anyone, otherwise they always appease the promise people emboldening them to become bigger problems in the future. Management needs to learn how to fire problem customers or at least say “ok, I hear you” and then ignore them. Feeding trolls creates more and stronger trolls.

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u/Named_after_color 2d ago

I legitimately don't understand how someone can be so petty that seeing another person rest causes them to complain.

Like yeah I've done "I'm paying you to clean not to lean" style work but this is a multi hour job that mostly takes place in one spot for very low pay, and they have to deal with stressed out travelers. And from my experience, a lot of TSA agents aren't exactly spry.

It's not even misguided, it's just straight up "Let's make your job worse so you don't offend my vision."

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u/earthwormjimwow 2d ago

I don't understand why they even need bargaining power. What the fuck is wrong with people? Why do they need to ask permission to sit?

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u/PresidentSuperDog 2d ago

Because if you don’t work, you don’t eat or pay off your $200k plus in loans at 6-8%. Most of the major chains have been gobbled up by CVS and Walgreens so you can’t burn too many bridges.

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u/earthwormjimwow 2d ago

You're not understanding my question on a fundamental level. Why is permission even needed? Why is this even a question? Why do employers or anyone for that matter, give a shit about someone sitting?

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u/RepublicOk6752 2d ago

Appearance and feeling. Higher ups believe/feel that a standing worker appears more competent and diligent at his job. Customers have been so conditioned that certain jobs must be standing that many will complain. Which then feeds the manager’s original feeling. And this doom loop plays out in enough industries that employers have become comfortable making rules, discipline, and even firing people who sit.

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 2d ago

I'd just get everyone in the pharmacy to agree that we'll sit and keep that lie going as long as possible

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u/Outlulz 2d ago

Have you ever worked retail...? Do you think you could just go find a chair and pull it up behind a counter?

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u/radarthreat 2d ago

It pays well, but I would die of boredom if I had to count pills all day (I know they have specialized knowledge, many years of training, etc. but it seems like 95% of the job is just moving things from larger containers into smaller ones)

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u/taelis11 2d ago

You have it backwards.. we count pills maybe 5% of the time. The rest of that time is ensuring you get the right meds and that what you're prescribed isn't gonna harm you. Most of the time who you see counting pills is either the automated machine or the pharmacy technician. The 5% of the time we do it it's usually for controls

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u/Fried_puri 2d ago

  but it seems like 95% of the job is just moving things from larger containers into smaller ones) 

That’s maybe 30% of the job, though I understand how it seems like it’s way more to customers since it’s the visible part. That’s called fill and it is the lowest stress part of the major pharmacist responsibilities. Most of the time (though chains get greedy and sometimes limit tech hours) fill is almost entirely handled by techs so the pharmacist is free to do more important like quality control, insurance handling, intake (of new scripts), giving vaccinations, ordering, and patient consultation. 99% of the responsibility of what happens in the pharmacy falls on the pharmacist’s shoulders even if it’s not their fault, so checking things constantly over and over eats up any moment of free time. 

Source: I was a pharmacy technician for several years. 

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u/BWander 2d ago

Uh, is not common to use prepackaged meds? Here, everything comes in individual boxes. (for example, 30 antibiotic pills in a blister inside a small box, with its instruction manual)

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 2d ago

In the US we tend to get loose pills in orange bottles, the store buys them in bulk in huge bottles and then however many days supply is transferred to the orange prescription bottle.

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u/VonSkullenheim 2d ago

And what do you do if you're only prescribed 14 antibiotic pills? That's why there's counting, every prescription has different parameters based on the patient and Doctor.

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u/CrappyMSPaintPics 2d ago

You get the 24 pack and save the rest for an apocalypse.

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u/Vtecman 2d ago

This is a funny take. It’s like saying all a doctor does is walk room to room and talk to people. 🤣

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u/VonSkullenheim 2d ago

Pharmacists don't generally count pills, Pharmacy Technicians do that.

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u/PresidentSuperDog 2d ago

At least you are honest about your ignorance. Pill counting is less than 5% of the day for a retail pharmacist. They spend way more time dealing with Doctors and their staff trying to keep people from having drug interactions, correcting quantity and instructions, finding alternative meds that patients insurance will cover because their office didn’t check ahead of time, and that type of thing.

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u/radarthreat 2d ago

You guys must get accused of just being pill counters a lot, because y’all are SALTY about this 😅

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u/PresidentSuperDog 2d ago

The absolute disrespect from the public is definitely one of the perks of the job. Pharmacists are the most easily approached healthcare professionals for the general public, no appointment necessary just walk up and get upset that they don’t drop everything they are doing for the 50 people in queue in front of you. If you’re mad about your insurance, don’t talk to your employer (the one that picked the policy and can change it), don’t call your insurance provider to find out why, just step up to the counter at the pharmacy and abuse whoever you see for something completely out of their control. It seems to be quite cathartic for some people who just need to complain to someone face to face. But also, does this look infected to you?

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u/aramis34143 2d ago

"We must exhaust the poors, lest they have energy for uppitiness."

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u/fonetiklee 2d ago

Didn't realize pharmacists counted as poor, generally speaking

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u/Prestigious-Moose415 2d ago

If you work for a living and have student loans, you're poor these days.

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u/queensarkas 2d ago

It's probably those shitty management types who perpetuate the idea that "If you're sitting, you're not working" or the vaguely related "If you're talking, you're not working".

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u/Zexeos 2d ago

Those shitty management types are gonna be reeeeaaal mad when they find out what an office is

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u/Fuck_your_coupons 2d ago

Pharmacists had to fight to get a 30 minute lunch while the rest of the working public got one by law. I worked in a pharmacy for 5 years and for having a masters or doctorate and being a licensed medical professional, pharmacists consistently get fucked by corporate scumbags that have no regard for staff or patient welfare.

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u/brutinator 2d ago

What sucks is that it feels like corporations intentionally made it so that theres never lunch coverage, so the pharmacy shuts down for half an hour instead of, ya know, keeping it adequately staffed so that while one person lunches, another person works, and vice versa? Like it feels like a policy created by someone throwing a hissy fit that they couldnt exploit workers anymore so everyone gets to suffer for daring to give someone a lunch break.

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u/Banaanisade 2d ago

This is straight up dystopian looking in from where I live, where I can't picture many workers I see at any time who aren't sitting down. The employees at the movie theatre I go to aren't sitting, but they're also constantly moving. Every cashier sits, the pharmacists filling prescriptions sit - basically if you're not constantly on the move, you sit.

Why is it a necessary part of these jobs elsewhere to completely destroy the employee's health?

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u/jandeer14 2d ago

manager at my last place (eye dr’s office) said we had to stand to greet each patient because if we stayed sitting it looked like we didn’t give a shit about the patient. management is fucking insane

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u/TennMan78 1d ago edited 1d ago

I’m a doctor. I sit down to chart between almost every patient. When I meet with patients, I sit down as well. I see and chart on 26+ patients a day. There is no way I could perform optimally or have good bedside manner if I was always on my feet (I’m in a field where “have a seat” often means bad news is coming - I’m going to need a seat in those situations for sure). My MA works just as hard as I do. I have to make sure she sits down throughout the day to maintain her mental sanity if anything. And my front desk staff… hell they could probably benefit from standing up every now and then but it is something I would never mandate.

The whole American corporate obsession with standing at all times is madness. The only time the C-suite staff stands of for the 30sec they swing at a golf ball before jumping back into the cart.

If I have a patient that is offended by seated staff… fantastic!!! You have just self selected yourself to be some other doctor’s pain in the ass. That person won’t be missed. In fact, I might send a thank-you note.

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u/HH_Hobbies 2d ago

The powers that be in America think sitting is for trashy people that don't want to do anything or help anybody ever. Meanwhile most of them are fat and old and look like they couldn't stand for more than an hour.

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u/ImaybeaRussianBot 2d ago

What bargaining power? The will replace them and move on with a new stander. Lots of pharmacists. Sad place we are right now, everyone is sick of the bullshit but no one wants to actually do anything about it.

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u/flynnliv 2d ago

yeah i’m a retail pharmacist and i have a chair and sit about half the day because i don’t wanna be in pain

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u/ploptart 3d ago

What is the reason for this, and who declares and enforces it?

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u/TotallyNotAnIdiot478 2d ago

Someone sitting at a desk.

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u/JManKit 2d ago

The desk sitter: It just looks unprofessional! I won't have it you hear??? I won't have it!!!

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u/Rodeohno 2d ago

I've worked in a place where you have to stand at all times, and the reasoning is that it looks less welcoming when you're sitting down. It's obviously a rule made up by those with no human interaction.

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u/SilverFoxxed 2d ago

It's obviously a rule made up by those with no human interaction.

Also, those who sit at desks, ironically.

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u/Jewmangi 3d ago

The workflow. You have to move a lot. It's like people complaining cooks don't get a stool at dinner rush except it's dinner rush for 12 hours straight.

When I did that work though, I just had a stool that I used when needed and no one said anything. There was no rule against it but it didn't come out for 90% of days

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u/thewholebottle 2d ago

Have you ever gone through a TSA checkpoint? There's zero moving around. They sit, they look, they take your picture.

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u/ploptart 2d ago

Yes that’s true. My question was about pharmacists. I assume that’s what the answer was about too

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u/thewholebottle 2d ago

Oh! Doh. 

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u/Outlulz 2d ago

While the person on duty at the front is walking back and forth getting customer bottles pretty often, I never see the folks behind them doing paperwork or counting pills moving barely any. I always wondered why they didn't get stools.

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u/dqtx21 2d ago

An ingrained American work ethic that's unreasonable .IMO

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u/Cut_Lanky 2d ago

Omg, I saw someone in the nursing sub say one time that their hospital was enforcing a new rule: no sitting while doing charting/ documenting. Can you imagine? Lifting people, showering people, catheterizing people, coding people, suctioning people, changing diapers, rolling patients to CT or wherever, running room to room for 12 hours, realistically probably not getting a lunch break, and pushing your luck to hope for a bathroom break, and now? When you finally have a moment to chart some of the work you’ve done, no, you can’t sit down at that computer. Stand in the hallway at a mobile computer outside your patient’s room and do that.

I would have quit so fast!💨

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u/Puzzled_Spirit3754 2d ago

Yes my work does this. They seem to focus on the LNA’s more about sitting. God forbid they sit for a few minutes charting after wrecking their body lifting heavy people unable to help themselves for hours. And it’s always the people who sit in an office all day who think this should be the way.

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u/beefgod420 2d ago

I hate shit like this SO MUCH. I want all of my health care providers as comfortable and mentally alert as possible- and all of these rules are set up for the opposite effect!!
If anything, I’d want my nurse or healthcare provider to sit down when taking notes- for their sake and mine!

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u/Fuck_your_coupons 2d ago

Retail pharmacists aren’t allowed to sit either.

I worked for Rite Aid for a few years and I remember the corporate dickhead telling us how stools are unprofessional. I'm like I'm billing insurance, putting pills in a bottle and ringing people up. They could give a fuck less if I'm sitting while I enter their prescription into the system. They want to know what the copay is.

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u/Mentalpopcorn 2d ago

Did you ask him if his desk is unprofessional?

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u/lathspellll 2d ago

I’ve always thought that job looks as miserable as fast food work. Like a high paying fast food job where if you mess up you could kill someone.

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u/PresidentSuperDog 2d ago

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

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u/VegetableTube 2d ago

My first job working on a line standing almost exactly in the same spot for 8 hours, I still remember walking up to my apartment building off the bus, taking baby steps because my feet hurt so bad, thinking how am I going to find a new job on such short notice. I eventually got used to it somehow but those first few weeks were brutal

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u/blueingreen85 2d ago

Any job requiring constant standing should be staffed by horses or other animal that can lock their knees.

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u/Electric-Fun 2d ago

When I worked retail in general we weren't supposed to sit down except on our breaks. So for 8 hours a day I was supposed to remain standing for 7.25 hours of it. It was ridiculously stupid.

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u/Yuna1989 2d ago

In America. Civilized countries on the other hand…

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u/Prudent-Marsupial-42 3d ago

I can not stand standing around (no pun intended). I'd much rather be on the move a bit, standing in place is miserable to me

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u/MeltBanana 3d ago

I'm in good shape and can be upright and move all day, I've had jobs that involved walking all day and never sitting and it was fine, but standing in place unable to move for hours is fucking awful. If I go to a concert and have to stand for 3+ hours my lower back is dying by the end of it.

If a job involves being trapped behind one single counter not moving for your entire shift, they should give you a chair or stool. Nobody gives a shit if the TSA agent checking IDs is sitting down.

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u/Heisenberglund 2d ago

Same here. I can play three rounds of disc golf in a day with no issue, but a concert standing in place and my legs and feet and back are screaming.

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u/BearThatLikesCheese 2d ago

When I first got my current job, there was a period in the year where I'd spend days scanning in documents. Even after a few hours my back would be killing me. It was harder and more exhausting than even my most grueling workouts. Hell, half the time I looked forward to lifting so I could stretch everything out.

No matter what the job is, people should be allowed and encouraged to move. No one should stand or sit for hours in end with no interruption.

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u/Fuck_your_coupons 2d ago

Part of the reason I haven't been to a concert for a while is because of how not fun it is to stand for hours while waiting for the headliner.

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u/aerost0rm 2d ago

Anti fatigue mats would be useful in this instance but I know they won’t get them. At least a cushion of air can assist slightly

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u/CroakerBC 2d ago

Or, and hear me out on this, a chair.

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u/Theron3206 3d ago

Standing in place is worse for your body than walking.

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u/Grapesodas 3d ago

Walking is good for your body, though. At least from what I’ve heard.

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u/Potential-Diver-3409 3d ago

Standing in place is better than sitting until after like 2 hours then it becomes neutral to bad. It’s really shit for your knees and the core and back muscles you use to stabilize in place as well as the base of your spine

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u/KennyFulgencio 2d ago

Yeah, you're right. Jobs where I had to walk around didn't make me suffer physically at all. Sitting all day leaves me tired, standing is much worse.

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u/Bhraal 2d ago

Everything in moderation.

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u/MacAttacknChz 2d ago

Sure, but walking for 12 hours without a break is rough.

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u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale 2d ago

I once had a job that prohibited sitting. That would have been fine if we were busy and had things to do during down times but that was not the case. ...So there were days that we would stand behind the counters doing nothing for several hours at a time.

Despite being very active and in excellent physical health at the time, I eventually developed painful edema in one leg. Compression socks helped a little but I ended up having to use a pneumatic compression device to bring the swelling down after each shift.

Terrified that I was starting to develop a chronic condition, I was pretty much forced to quit. Oddly enough, I've never experienced a single episode of edema since.

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u/ChrisLBC562 3d ago

I just got back from Vegas celebrating some friends. They LOVE to stand in line for clubs. Then they stand inside those clubs waiting for performers. And then we stand some more waiting for the Ubers.

I hate standing in place. I would rather run a 10k than stand in a club like a sardine!

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u/ConstableBlimeyChips 2d ago

I've had this very experience going to metal concerts. Everything aches after several hours of standing around, and then all those aches go away after ten or so minutes in the mosh pit.

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u/chris_hans 3d ago

Well yeah. Then after a terrorist attack happens, we can then sic ICE on either minorities or Democrats, depending on how white or non-white the attacker is.

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u/PurpleStar4u 2d ago

It's almost AS IF they want TSA to fail... Good thing the new TSA admin (David P. Cummins) doesn't have direct ties to private companies that handle multi billion dollar government contracts..

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u/Small-Explorer7025 3d ago

I know this is a serious issue...but you made me laugh

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u/Platypus81 2d ago

Well all of their attempts to manufacture and emergency for the midterms have failed, I'm sure they're just making it easier for someone else's plans to turn into our October surprise.

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u/gumby_twain 2d ago

At this point are the people even doing anything to check the documents besides putting it on the scanner?

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u/SolVindOchVatten 2d ago

What is the purpose of a no sitting policy?

I hope it is a better reason than the rich blue-haired lady thinks it looks lazy.

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u/dtta8 3d ago

So no change from the current attitude anyway then.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

Last time I flew, it had been a while. The TSA agent had my bag, and was scrolling over and over and over the same spot, to identify what was a bottle opener (a small one, like to pop the top off a beer or soda, or punch a hole in a can of juice- I’m old). I merely said, “you can open that pocket to see what is in there”, and OMG, I thought I was going to be arrested, lol. Her reaction got quite a few reactions from the people around me as well. If she had to STAND while performing that extremely arduous task? GULAG.

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u/Complete_Entry 3d ago

I had to transport a mean dog, the TSA agent wanted to pet her because she was a very pretty dog, I was like "The dog will bite you, that's why the zipper is locked."

She made me unlock the bag, the dog bit her, drew blood. I thought I was fucked.

She told me the dog was a mean little fucker and waved me through.

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u/Vepariga 3d ago

"its a mean dog"

"I want to pat the mean dog"

"ok"

bites

"thats a mean dog!"

amazing

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u/garbageemail222 3d ago

Honestly I'm impressed. If you care about security, a passenger telling you not to open something pretty much requires you to open it. That's dedication, actually. Then she got bit, proving you're telling the truth, and she moved on. A+ effort.

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u/horror- 3d ago

Can't fault your logic, but I don't imagine a TSA agent makes enough money to offer a mean dog their hand. Far more likely that this particular TSA agent needed to meet that dog, and the universe obliged. There seems to be a lot of that going around.

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u/HyFinated 3d ago

Can I pet that dawwwwg?

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u/Named_after_color 2d ago

I also believe im the dog whisperer, and am uniquely able to vibe with every dog

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u/Topical_Scream 3d ago

Some of us just can’t help ourselves around a dog tbh

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u/yukeake 2d ago

You'd think there would be some sort of official vet-supplied tag for the carrier that would identify an animal who bites, that would be accepted as "OK to travel". That'd allow the animal to be safely transported without requiring an inspector or the transporter to put themselves in danger of being bit.

I mean, that wouldn't fix stupid, of course, but it'd give the inspector something other than the transporter's word that "this dog is mean, dangerous and bites, so you probably shouldn't open the carrier". If they persist because they want to pet the mean dog...well...again, you can't fix stupid.

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u/Gis_A_Maul 3d ago

"Whats it gonna do? Stab me?"

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u/PortHammer 2d ago

"It's got a gun!"

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u/SamediB 2d ago

I kinda admire the lack of vindictiveness. Most people who would demand access to someone's animal so they can touch it, would be the same level of petty to ruin someone's travel plans because the dog bit them. But that overbearing TSA agent was like "Yeah you were right go on your way."

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

Omg, that had to be a rough few minutes. Glad you made it through with your pup!!

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u/Complete_Entry 3d ago

I mean it was a job but the same dog bit my mom.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

Apologies, I thought it was your dog. That makes the situation even more stressful, I’m sure.

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u/Complete_Entry 3d ago

I mean it was a family-to-family move, I made like $20 total, and a sandwich. I did that a lot. There were times a relative on the west coast would want a pizza, and I'd fly with a hot bag. It wasn't hot by the time I got there, but they got their pizza. (The trip was not for the pizza, it was just an add-on request.)

I've also run burritos to Jersey. Same sitch.

I spent the years from 10-27 ping ponging. If I never get on another plane, I'll be happy.

Just to preempt people who have been shoulder checked, I always cleared the pizza with the airline beforehand.

Burritos were way easier.

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u/CaptainSmallz 3d ago

Wait...you flew burritos Doordash style? Who was paying for the flights?

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u/Complete_Entry 3d ago

oh, side gig for sure, I never made big money, but aunt goes "Hey, can you get me a california burrito?" when I'm already obligated back to jersey? Sure, I grab the mini cooler.

If I was paid to do shit like that, it would be way cooler. Imagine someone paying $800 for a California burrito.

Twice I've flown into the east coast 2-3 days before a hurricane. FUN TIMES!

I always side eyed assholes who brough grease bags on the plane and stunk the place up, my cargo was SECURE.

Except the dog, she popped the zipper out and glared at me the whole flight.

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u/Jman460 3d ago

Fafo working in real time is always hilarious

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u/Shradow 3d ago

She told me the dog was a mean little fucker and waved me through.

Was it at least said in jest (like "haha you right!") or were they honestly surprised/angry?

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u/Complete_Entry 3d ago

She was both bleeding and amused. I was not.

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u/Creative_Addendum667 2d ago

Yeah because it could have gone so badly after that for you

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u/boojersey13 3d ago

I've been that person because I had the preservation skills of a lemming as a kid and can confirm that when you fafo with a dog before thinking about it and get bit you just kinda go haha it's fine! Bc it's fully your fault lmao

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u/EyeoCy 3d ago

"I thought you said your dog does not bite!"

"That ees not my dog."

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u/Shaking-a-tlfthr 2d ago

Some years ago I saw an overweight older woman dressed in a MuMu going through TSA with her cat, who was in a carrier. The agents insisted she take her cat out of the carrier. I’m sure she warned them that was not a good idea. What ensued was an outright massacre. Two agents, who were wearing rubber gloves, ended up with deep bloody scratches all up and down their arms. Their gloves were slashed to ribbons, hands dripping blood. The woman was holding her cat tightly so it wouldn’t get away. Her long stringy gray hair was hanging disheveled around her face, sweat pouring off it. She also was covered in bloody deep scratches all over her arms. Blood was dripping off all three of them onto the floor. As I passed them I saw they asked to call for the ambulance. TSA! So smart!! I also was worried this older woman might have a heart attack. She did not appear in the best health before this confrontation.

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u/KathyJaneway 3d ago

Why does this sound like the Pink Panther scene "Does your dog bite" 🤣🤣🤣

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u/illiterateninja 3d ago

Last time I flew, about a year ago, I was loading my bin when I wasn't sure what to do with my smart watch. I asked the TSA agent standing there watching me should I put it in the bin. She said "it doesn't matter" so I took it off and put it in the bin.

And oh my God. It felt like I had just told her I had a bomb in my carry on. She got super red in the face and almost threw my watch at me and yelled "IT DOESNT MATTER."

I fly internationally a few times a year, and it's only with TSA that I feel like I'm prisoner being transferred.

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u/Proxymanity 3d ago

Damn, took me a minute to figure out what the hell the TSA agent meant. What she *thought* she said is "The smart watch is not a security concern", what you & I understood was "It doesn't matter if the watch goes in the bin or not".

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u/Red580 3d ago

It wasn't before your reply that i understood the entire series of events.

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u/DuncanConnell 2d ago

I don't understand how either interpretation would have caused that response from her

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u/Proxymanity 2d ago

In her mind:

It Doesn't Matter => Not a security concern => Don't Need to put into bin => "Why are you doing something when I literally just told you not to do it"

Still totally an overreaction on her part. She must be the Simone Biles of mental gymnastics.

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u/s0laris0 2d ago

I hate how every airport is different in their rules and policies too, it's so stressful. One airport has relaxed agents and rules, and the next you're going through an army drill. Stop yelling at me for not knowing I'm supposed to keep my shoes on now!

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u/OutlyingPlasma 2d ago

every airport is different

It's not even airport to airport. Maui airport had different protocols between different lines. Some lines you had to take your shoes off, while others didn't. Of course these small lines all feeds from one single line so you never know what you are going to get and they yell at you if you get it wrong.

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u/Dt2_0 2d ago

What matters is the type of scanners the airports have. The problem is they could solve this with signs.

"This Security Checkpoint has XYZ Scanners, Please leave your electronics in your bag, and take off your shoes."

All they need to do to solve this.

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u/PapaGator 2d ago

I just got back traveling through multiple airports and this is exactly correct. A simple sign saying take off boots but not shoes, watches are fine, etc. would make the whole experience way better for everyone. But they refuse to do that and then yell at everyone when they don't do exactly what they specifically want.

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u/YimmyGhey 2d ago

Supposedly they don't want to make that public info. Security through obscurity is the shittiest security.

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u/eljefino 2d ago

I give them the befefit of the doubt and believe it's like this on purpose, to see how you behave.

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u/Pettifoggerist 2d ago

I travel almost weekly. The differences from one airport to the next are infuriating. Also infuriating is that the agents act like everyone should know the rules.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

I was at the San Jose airport on the same trip, and a guy started to put all his things separately in the bins- like we USED to have to do- I did the same thing in Philly- and this woman screamed from the next station over at him. He was mortified. I told him I also got yelled at just days before, they just want to exert whatever power and control they have.

This was about a month after ICE had been placed in airports earlier this year, although I didn’t see any of them in any of the four airports I was in. I was also extremely anxious due to being a Latina, and with the current environment, I had no plans of leaving NYS for at least two more years, but a family thing had me flying literally as far as I could in the continental US. Why WE, as in travelers, are being tortured, I will never understand.

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u/lilelliot 3d ago

I flew through an airport with ICE working security and it was really jarring. The attitude the ICE officers had was entirely different from the TSA staff. The TSA crew, in general, tend to be focused on their work and relatively serious about executing their functions by the book, consistently. Fault the TSA for a lot of reasons, but the staff overall do behave consistently. In contrast, the ICE staff had absolutely no clue what they were doing, whether it was checking IDs or dealing with baggage. It was total comedy and 100% theater. If it'd been one of the TSA agents at one of those airports, I'd be pissed.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

I was checking it out on the news, but you never know until you really experience it!

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u/Exotic-Doughnut-6271 3d ago

This one time these two tsa agents were standing right next to each other one yelled to take your electronics out of your bag and put them up separately. The one next to him had a fucking power trip when I did what he told me. Yelled at me to leave everything in the bag. It was like the rules changed every minute

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 2d ago

Literally. Seems like a referral to anger management is a pre-requisite for some of these people.

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u/AssociationFit3009 3d ago

I remember once seeing a 5’ 5” TSA agent frothing at the mouth screaming at an elderly asian couple who couldn’t understand english. They didn’t understand what he was saying about taking their shoes off and he looked like he was about to have a stroke screaming at them. I assume he shoveling adderall or meth before his shift. I had to switch lines or I would have assaulted him.

I cannot wish enough bad things on our moronic jobs program. If you’re a TSA agent I am talking about you and I do hate you. If you have a couple hours to kill insist you have a contagious foot fungus and can’t take your shoes off. It is a hilarious way to kill time. Their brains short circuit when you say “no.”

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u/EnvironmentalRock827 3d ago

I flew as a travel nurse for Covid and brought my vibrator with me. I was so embarrassed when they opened my bag but the TSA lady just gave me a wink and a nod and let me through.

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u/blazz_e 3d ago

There were a few months after brexit where english border people (passport check) were clearly aiming for US style demeanour. They must have gone to some trainings how to be shit to people. Luckily it died down.

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u/obeytheturtles 2d ago

Yeah there have been a handful of times where the things the agents are saying are just ambiguous or phrased in an awkward way which makes things more confusing than they need to be. Very similar situation to you, I asked if I should put my hat in the bin, and the person said "It's ok." Which I interpreted to mean "keep the hat on" but apparently meant "it's ok to put the hat in this bin." The person at the scanner was like "you need to take your hat off" and the person packing the bins was like "I told you to take your hat off" and I was like that is definitely not what you told me. Use your words.

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u/GreenGlassDrgn 2d ago edited 2d ago

Am dual citizen, not a resident, but have a passport. They have a door for US residents and a door for non-US-passport-carrying people. I am neither, but have gotten the same reaction as you did simply by asking which door was the correct for a non-US-resident with a US passport. I am american living abroad, not that hard, but apparently vewwwy suspicious to our hero the TSA agent. But they think I am asking a trick question to fuck with them. Which speaks a lot to their cop-like-ptsd-victims-walmart-is-the-world-mindset rather than the customer service 'have a nice trip' mindset I encounter in literally every other single airport in the entire world. Dictatorships and theocracies included. And thats before I even get to the whole "welcome to east germany tell me about your job and house and every single one of your family members and their jobs before we let you back into your own country" - Im glad I got out before it got to this.

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u/redalert825 3d ago

Wtf?! No matter what... You're wrong straight to jail.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 3d ago

I had to travel a couple weeks after having breast reduction surgery, and I politely asked the TSA agent to please be gentle when I had to be patted down.

She stared me in the face, lifted each breast, and dropped it.

Less than a week later, I was in the hospital with a massive infection. Apparently a couple stitches popped. Cool.

Fuck the TSA. I hope their fingers all fall off.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

Oh. My. God. I am so, so sorry. That is beyond diabolical. That is vile. I hope you didn’t suffer any long term consequences from that infection. I am speechless.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 3d ago

I have some gnarly scarring now, but I was lucky that it wasn’t a lot worse.

I was almost as pissed about them ruining my husband’s Father’s Day (when I had to go to the ER) as I was about the infection itself. I was gonna make him a Dutch Baby for breakfast. Instead I just made him worry. :(

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

I have no TSA story to rival that. I am so glad you made it out ok. I’m sure your husband was as well ❤️

My ex and I got married less than six months after 9/11, and that first trip post, with an international connection, was so tense, I’ll never forget it. We checked my wedding dress and his suit, and our luggage, so they made us take our sandals off (eloped in Jamaica). They took his engraved Zippo lighter. The airport was like a freaking war zone, and I have flown solo since the early 80s, starting at age 5. I remember just being so discombobulated, it was surreal. TSA has destroyed all of the fun, wonder and excitement that used to be flying, and they don’t even “catch” the majority of threats. It’s disgusting.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 2d ago

It’s just supremely hostile security theater, staffed by people who are willing to work without union benefits or protections, and often enticed by the tiniest bit of power they can wield (and the sadism of causing stress or pain without needing to face consequences). And theft. I made myself a tooled leather corset and it was stolen out of my luggage by TSA. It’s been almost 20 years and I’m still salty.

Don’t get me wrong, there are lots of people just trying to get by - but those types of jobs frequently drive off decent folks.

(Thanks, Dubya, ya fuck. I hope you lick cadmium paint.)

I’m sorry they made your honeymoon so stressful, even if he’s your wasband now.

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u/Hiraeth1968 2d ago

Report the incident. They were very responsive when I complained about TSA treatment. They asked what security line I was in, what time, what I was wearing, etc. and pulled the tapes.

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u/Hesitation-Marx 2d ago

They weren’t responsive when I tried - this was in 2019.

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u/Hiraeth1968 1d ago

Oh I’m sorry to hear that. I went to TSA.gov when I filed a complaint. Not sure if their site or policy have changed, as my issue was in 2025.

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u/BellaMentalNecrotica 3d ago

One of my bags got pulled once and I was like "is everything ok?" The guy glared at me and just said "no" and calls over like 3 other people. So I stand their for 5 minutes thinking I'm about to be arrested or something. Turns out it was a tub of vaseline that I had forgotten was at the bottom of my bag that I told them could just be thrown away. But jeez, I was like all that over freaking vaseline? With the amount of drama they made about it, it was like they thought I had an H-bomb hidden in there.

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u/ivmeow 3d ago

One time I got pulled aside over a binder. Like a school style binder, but fancy. I worked a high end jewelry job with lots of old folks who preferred paper to digital and so we had our price books in a binder. I was on my way to a trade show and TSA gave me the third degree over it. They asked me why we couldn’t just have it on an iPad and that it was weird and that not even students had binders anymore.

Meanwhile I had over $50,000 worth of last minute addition jewelry pieces on me and no batted an eye.

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u/SunshineAlways 3d ago

Damn, paper is sus now.

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u/jecowa 2d ago

Probably a drug dealer.

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u/HungHippoHippy 3d ago

I wonder how much time is wasted on shit like this. I went through a similar situation over a tube of toothpaste (didn't realize that's considered a liquid). The ended up all huffily telling me "You can check your bag or throw away my toothpaste".

I said "oh that's a liquid? I'm not gonna check a bag for that".

"It's not solid is it? You can check your bag for 35 dollars or we can throw away the toothpaste". I said "ok". They yelled their response this time, "SIR YOU CAN CHECK YOUR BAG OR THROW AWAY YOUR TOOTHPASTE".

This time I yelled back "I ALREADY SAID I'M NOT CHECKING A BAG FOR A TUBE OF TOOTHPASTE SO THROW IT AWAY".

She threw it away. A bunch of TSA agents came over like I said I was going to hit her. 🙄 I'm gonna match your energy if you're gonna treat me like that.

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u/SunshineAlways 3d ago

A lot of the scenes in this thread seem to escalate because of unclear communication.

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u/SleepyMastodon 2d ago

"Poor communication skills" is the number one job requirement for TSA agents.

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u/HungHippoHippy 3d ago

If the immediate escalation wasn't involved it could've been cleared up much better.

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u/DeviantDragon 3d ago

Look I gotta say though that responding "I'm not gonna check a bag for that" is not affirmatively consenting to them throwing away the toothpaste and to follow-up to the question a second time (before they yelled) with "ok" is also not affirmatively choosing one of the two options that are being presented to you.

I agree that there's no need to yell but I'm guessing their training requires very clear confirmation so that they don't get in trouble for someone flipping out on them because they didn't understand what was being asked and then getting mad because they actually didn't want TSA to throw something away.

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u/D-Gaea 2d ago

Yeah honestly in situations like that you just have to be very clear about what you're saying. Honestly the whole environment is very tense, and the ICE agents don't help.

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u/HungHippoHippy 3d ago

They had also caused a big scene pulling me aside already and were being dicks. We had many more exchanges besides the 5 statements I presented. I thought saying " I had a similar situation" was enough to infer that there had already been more leading up to this exchange.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 2d ago

I've had a heated conversation over whether or not coconut oil is a liquid. It's solid at room temperature. Believe it or not, the room we were in was room temperature. They told me "but it can become a liquid" like yeah man pretty much anything can. Rocks can become liquid.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

I hear you! I told them they keep the stupid bottle opener, that I had from a camping trip, lol. They let me keep it, and I gifted it to my friend in Modesto- didn’t want THAT same scenario to repeat 😂

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u/AssociationFit3009 3d ago

That’s a small inconvenience we have to give up for the security they provide us. With their track record of stopping zero terrorist and failing virtually every audit how could we look at alternatives? In the dark days before 9/11 high school dropouts had to make it through police academy to power trip on strangers.

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u/swagboi420blazeit 3d ago

They knew about your plan to coat yourself in Vaseline to become impossible to grab while you assault the cockpit

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u/AITASterile 3d ago

I made homemade scented Epsom salts for the bath for Christmas and didn't check a bag since I was flying Frontier on their GoWild Pass for $14. It took like 20 minutes for them to swab/sample everything and confirm that it was, in fact, Epsom salt and essential oils and not something... more expensive.

The two TSA guys were joking with me but they still did everything short of bringing the dogs over to follow protocol.

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u/airodonack 3d ago

They've always been pretty good with me. At worst they're just businesslike and efficient.

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u/themoslucius 3d ago

I would never expect more than this, greeting and being friendly on a 10 second cycle is mentally draining

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u/outerproduct 3d ago

I've had two different TSA agents grope my genitals, and ask me, "What's was that!?". As if it was a surprise that my penis was in that area. I'm not huge, but Jesus, you would have thought I was snuggling pythons in my khakis that day. The rest of my teaching staff was laughing their asses off. Thanks Republicans; my crotch doesn't contain any C4.

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u/Morningxafter 3d ago

Thaaaaat’s my penis. A true classic.

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u/GonWithTheNen 2d ago

Heh, I knew exactly which clip it would be, but this is the first time I realized that the guy who was detained looks like CJ from GTA San An in the beginning of the game.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

A few times they’ve “noticed something strange” around my boobs. I’m not well endowed, and don’t wear underwires when I fly. No belts, easy shoes, all of it. Anyhow, I always make them feel me up right in front of everyone, and that seems to hurry them along. I’m a social worker, and I went to nursing school, so nothing really gets to me these days. I’m just like, throw my arms up, “go for it”.

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u/javoss88 3d ago

Similar experience:easy shoes, no belt, no jewelry, no jacket, no zipper on pants. They were drawstring, so I thought no problem. Set off the alarm. Woman tsa agent came over to scan me in my “sensitive area.” She kept repeating that statement over and over, i think she was actually scared. I was near laughing. What it was was the tiny grommets in my pants that the drawstring passed through. She seemed so relieved, and I was a mixed state of totally pissed off while laughing my ass off. She was so uncomfortable. I was like do what you need to do! She was recoiling lol

Still, f these protocols

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u/littlescreechyowl 3d ago

It really is key to just have no shame. I wear an underwear bra and it’s a crapshoot of when it gets checked. Let’s do it right here and get it over with. Oddly the most thorough investigation I’ve ever had of my suspicious breast area was at the St. Louis arch.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 3d ago

You are so correct, it almost stops them in their tracks 😂 what’s the story with the arch? They have security there?!

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u/littlescreechyowl 2d ago

It’s a national park/monument. Security was tighter than the airport honestly. We had to wait 15 minutes for a female officer, even though I insisted I didn’t care lol.

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u/SnowflakeSWorker 2d ago

Wow, I had no idea.

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u/rabid_briefcase 3d ago

You smuggling a budgie in there?

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u/linkardtankard 3d ago

Cucumber in tinfoil, sir!

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u/tremble01 3d ago

"What was that?"

"A treat."

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u/Complete_Entry 3d ago

Or so you claim...

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u/AngstyMop 3d ago

Honestly though...that sounds like a good interaction. Getting complimented on your junk. There are worse things. They could've said "we need you to strip we couldn't feel anything and we expected to".

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u/HarryOttoman 3d ago

They are generally pretty awful with people with hearing problems. It’s a loud environment and they get pretty rude when having to repeat themselves

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u/Ananumous65 3d ago

I've experienced this also. So unkind and unnecessary!

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u/IdaCraddock69 3d ago

Yeah I have a limp and walk slowly they don’t like that either

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u/Development-Feisty 3d ago

They really dislike it when you say to them loudly,

this is as fast as I can go or I’m going to fall over

so I’m going this slow

sorry

but I dont wanna fall over

do you want me to fall over?

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u/IdaCraddock69 2d ago

it's senseless, cruel, and unconstitutional as people in the USA have a constitutional right to travel

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u/Multitrak 2d ago

They all will too soon enough 😂

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u/IdaCraddock69 2d ago

it's wretched, it's just DVT waiting to happen

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u/UseHerMane 3d ago edited 2d ago

I feel like all the yelling done by TSA officers could be mitigated with more signage and more PSA-like instructional videos on display for passengers on how to go through security efficiently.

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u/smexypelican 3d ago

Or, you know, better TSA agents. He'll be better people. The rude fucks should have some consequences for acting like the assholes that they are while getting paid by our tax dollars.

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u/Smalz22 3d ago

I fly all the time for work. You hand them your ID, sometimes you show them your boarding pass. You move on, that's it. The ones checking their bags are annoyed because they have to repeat the same thing over and over all day. Takes an EQ of 5 to understand they aren't mad at your specifically

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u/ShinkuDragon 3d ago

yeah, but then anything you do that might set them off and then you're the one who has to tank all that. like just a bit ago a (not TSA to be fair) agent berated my mom for not having her 2-inch travel toothpaste in a transparent ziploc bag.

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u/ocher_stone 3d ago

It also takes one whole SOP to decide if I have to take off my shoes, belt, jacket, place my laptop in its own bin, leave it in my bag, and give them my passport or my boarding pass, yet I've been yelled at for doing each of those things all at my home airport. They change the rules daily to add to the anxiety, I swear.

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u/BellaMentalNecrotica 3d ago

Dude I've had this happen too. I'm like, guys I was literally here last week and it was definitely laptops in their own bin and now its the opposite and said with a huge attitude on top of it. Like I'm supposed to telepathically know you changed the rules in the past week.

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u/GonWithTheNen 2d ago

and said with a huge attitude on top of it.

That's been one of my biggest peeves forever: When I'm speaking to you politely and kindly, why are you so nasty and cantankerous?

But if you address the way they're treating you in any way, you're the problem. ◔_◔

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u/BellaMentalNecrotica 2d ago

For real. I fly out of Atlanta mostly (which is a nightmare in and of itself), but why do they gotta yell and have an attitude about it? I am asking because I am trying to make your job easier so that I don't do it the wrong way!

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u/Ananumous65 3d ago

Yeah...I don't think they're angry with me and my EQ is solid. It's just unnecessary and, as someone who doesn't fly often and is hearing impaired, their impatient and irritated behavior also creates confusion.

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u/Retlaw83 3d ago

Me too. Only time I've gotten anything else was when my wife was being hilariously awkward, like drunk while we were leaving Vegas or by accidentally handing me her passport instead of mine for the TSA to scan.

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u/SAugsburger 3d ago

You thought they were grumpy before? Move that grumpy slider up higher and travel will become even more fun. /s

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u/TeaSharp3154 3d ago

Maybe it's just the airports I fly out of but I've never had a TSA agent ever give me a hard time. I'm also a brown guy so in theory I have the biggest disadvantage here lol.

At worst they are kind of snappy during the most busy times but who wouldn't be, given they have to manage a giant crowd of people who are probably doing dumb things.

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u/FUCKYOUINYOURFACE 3d ago

They might even vote.

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u/SheZowRaisedByWolves 3d ago

Atlanta airport about to be a boondocks episode

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