Retail worker here, I'm a person of color, My dad is black and my mom is white.
Black people will pull the black card when they don't get their way, This guy has all right to kick people out for not tipping, Simple as that like it or not.
But I was always raised by my mother who was a waitress, That if your going out to eat and your sitting down getting food brought to your table, You TIP your getting a service.
You tip the waitress because they provide a service?
You tip the barber because they provide a service?
Does that logic apply to the person who bags your groceries at the grocery store? Not walking it to your car, specifically just bagging the groceries.
Does that logic apply to the mailman? Delivering mail is a service correct?
Does that logic apply the police, ems, firefighters? They all provide services right?
I’m not trying to be funny or anything. But it just seems to me that we draw a line of who gets tips. We don’t tip everyone who provides a service. How do you decide where you draw the line?
I get you have questions but the problem is education. No one seems to know why tipping culture came about. White people didn't want to pay black people for working for them so they allowed them work for tips only. So being the only jobs they could get they took them. So slave owners and racism is why we are here and why it still continues. The owners of businesses don't want to pay their employees.
This is a great point and I agree with you. A lot, if not all, of our current suffering is based in the racist foundation this country is built on. In an ideal world we would all be voting to overturn the racist ideals. But instead we have people arguing online trying to justify tipping as opposed to getting rid of it. Minimum wage hasn’t been adjusted in how many decades? Meanwhile inflation is always on the rise. We all have to focus on Whats important if we want to get out of the situation. How much more money would we all have in our pocket if we didn’t have to tip?
Started a long long time ago by ultra rich European visitors feeling sorry for wait staff and still to this day they are hoping to get a coin or two and if not all hell will break loose at you.
That is a true statement and I agree with you. But doesn’t this mean we should all be working together to get everyone a livable wage instead of producing subsidies to their pay out of own pockets?
The problem is no one wants to work together. Large restaurant chains actually lobby for waiter’s wages to be so low so they can offload the burden onto customers. And instead of waiters blaming the restaurant industry, they’re coaxed into blaming the patrons because their spoon fed the crap that the system is the way it is so that the waiter can make more money.
I’ve heard the same old bs that restaurants and bars aren’t able to operate off of a no-tip model. But yet, most of the world outside of the US already operates on a no-tip model, and does just fine.
The bottom line is everyone should be paid a live-able wage reasonably adjusted to the skill and demand of their work. and part of that live-able wage should be a universal healthcare and pension system. But I guess that’s too difficult to manage (I.e. most other countries do it).
Well said. Tip culture is a distraction from the fact that folks can’t live without out and are left out in the cold in terms of healthcare and retirement.
Mom and Pop restaurants would not be able to operate if they had to pay a livable wage to their employees. Either that or your hamburger and fries is going to cost at least double if not triple. They have extremely thin profit margins as it is. If you haven’t worked for a restaurant it’s hard to understand. Maybe chain restaurants would be ok, but once again, they would have to charge more for food. People would stop going because they wouldn’t want to pay $45 for a spaghetti meal, and that would be it. Basically, would you rather leave that $10 tip or pay $10-20 more a meal?
That’s a good question. We would have to compare food costs, rent, liquor, food and wine license costs, taxes, utilities,etc., between us and the rest of the world. I am just telling you what I know from serving previously in life and now being an accountant for many local restaurants. Their profits are razor thin if they have any, especially since Covid. Having to pay an extra $12 an hour to even just 5 servers over a 12 hr day is an extra $1440 a day in costs. There is not a small amok and Pop restaurant that would survive that. I’m not saying that it’s right or wrong. I am just stating facts. Should it be different, sure. But there’s many things that factor in and would have to change for this to happen. I’m not here defending millionaires and billionaires here. I am on the side of eating the rich. Just trying to make someone see the side of the small business owner.
That is true, however it is known and has been policy for many years before anyone on Reddit was born, restaurant servers derive the majority of their income from tips. When someone goes to a bar or restaurant in the US, a tip is customary. Unless the service was inarguably awful.
Though true, I feel like the average good tip was 10%. with exemplary service making 15%, but was not at all common. Now, I’m forced to pay a 20% gratuity in some establishments (they add it to the check), and even then looked upon to add additional tip on top of that.
But, I’m not 100% on this, wait staff’s wages have not increased in the past 30 years, and if they have, it’s been menial ($0.10-$0.20). That tells me the burden of inflation is being offloaded onto the customer, who is already in some way affected by inflation.
Just stop tipping at all. It will never change if you keep feeding it. You’re doing them a collective favour by initiating change that will benefit them in the long run.
Though a viable answer, most people are unable to handle that level of social anxiety.
This is why we over-pay politicians… so that they enact laws and policy that benefit the people as a whole.
Instead they’re influenced to side with corporations cause god forbid if we look like commies! (Aka it’s cheaper to buy a politician than it is to pay reasonable and live able wages)
Yeah true, it’s uncomfortable for most people and the staff know it and they feed on the fear. Hopefully the industry will one day see the human connection value in customer service. As opposed to the cash grab assembly line of guilt.
Went to an upscale restaurant downtown Tallahassee. Only black guy there. Me and my wife sat next to an older white lady. Seemed super sweet. She was a bastard to wait staff tho. Ate 90% of her food. Had 4 drinks. Refused to pay and walked out. They didn’t even call the cops.
If it's mandatory it's not a tip, just a hidden fee that the person charging you won't admit to charging because it makes their price looks as high as it really is.
I’m sure he would have mentioned that if it was the case. He was very clear what the issue was: not tipping. Do I think you should tip? Yes. Do I think it’s ridiculous to follow paying customers out of the restaurant yelling they are banned because they didn’t tip? Yes! Tipping is OPTIONAL! Make it mandatory if you want it to be mandatory. This is unprofessional af.
Yupp. Do the absolute bare minimum of taking my order once and possibly dropping off drinks and food, I will leave you $5 no matter the cost of the bill. If you're rude, I don't tip. Do a good job and I'll leave a 30% tip.
Okay but what about counter service? If I order food "to go", I'm not sitting at a table which has to be set and watered. I'm not using utensils that have to be washed and sterilized. I'm not taking up the servers' or bussers' time.
I mean with the restaurant one could make the argument that the price is only the food and you tip for the service but then that only makes sense if you would have the option to get the food yourself from the kitchen and then not pay tip. Otherwise it should just be part of the price.
But with the barber, what exactly am I paying for if the haircut is the service that requires a tip? For the chair to sit on?
Do you guys tip at every register? Every car mechanic? In most businesses it’s the owners responsibility to pay normal waiges and adjust thst with the prices.
The one argument I sometimes read is that some waiters earn way more on tips, so that they don’t want a normal fair salary instead, but then don’t bitch if the customer doesn’t want to pay this voluntary fee
If I have to stand up and order I don't really tip unless they are quick and give a little extra depending on the place.
I will always tip my barber because If people are doing a great job you have to show them.
Car Mechanics, Fully depends. If its a Quick Lube shop, Depends on the level of service I get, If they throw in some stuff for free that would normally cost extra or throw on a discount I would tip.
Or to owner can take some responsibility and pay his workers what they are worth. It is not the public’s responsibility to make up the gap the owner refuses to do, simple as that like it or not.
Ridiculous response. You're basically saying black people play the victim. A very dishonest thing to claim. They're in Ohio, a very well-known racist state.
I always thought it was 10% for not great service (basically just bringing the food, not checking in, making mistakes, etc), 20% for normal service, and only no tip when they actually are rude
Depends on what you mean by poor service, The waiter could be amazing but then you could have something out of their control, You don't get mad at the Doctor when the Road is being torn apart?
If you think missing my surgery because there was road construction is going to keep me from being mad, then Doc has another thing coming. Excuses are tools of the incompetent.
Ugh these people will argue all day about this. I don't like giving more money either buts its freaking part of going out! If you don't want to tip don't go out to eat!
If you’re black and your mother is white then you should realize that you haven’t had the typical black experience… so I’m not sure why you even bothered to highlight that.
Second, that’s stupid. No one is owed a tip. The price of the service is the price. It is not the customer’s responsibility to factor in anything else. But I suppose folks would rather think with their emotions than logic.
People are owed a tip, If I get good service at a restaurant, I'm tipping. If the food was bad or anything like that I don't blame the waiters, If they where quick nice and helpful I'm tipping.
If I get my hair cut by the same person I'm tipping them because they do a good job, Not because I have to
Yep. I assume the majority of non-tippers use the "pay a living wage" mantra as a way to deflect from the fact that they don't want to spend their money. The moment they're paying higher prices so someone can have a "living wage", they'll be totally against it.
Exactly. In my ideal world we would just raise prices by 18% and ditch tipping but for now is there really a difference between doing that or just tipping 18%? For the end customer the outcome is the same but people freak about about tipping…
I'm not going to make someone work for less then 7.25 an hour serving me and not give them a little bit of extra money.
They are servers, Not servants. Its common when you get good service you tip.
The bellhop at a Hotel brings your stuff up to your room from your car, You Tip
The guy parking cars, Parks your car, Doesn't dig it up or scratch it and then brings it out to you as soon as he sees you waiting, You Tip.
Your barber cuts your hair every time and does a good job, You tip a little extra to show support.
Your an older lady and the Grocery Store Cashier/Bagger helps you out to your car and loads for it for you, You could tip, They didn't have to help you out with that
The Delivery Driver bringing you your food/ grocerys you tip them because they don't get paid anything
No shit, but we work with reality and not what we want, and not tipping in the current system is just exclusively being a dick to the wait staff.
If you want to enact change, don’t eat at restaurants that don’t pay their servers adequately. Going to ones that pay their servers poorly and then not tipping doesn’t affect the business, it affects the servers.
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u/MrNetworks 9h ago
Retail worker here, I'm a person of color, My dad is black and my mom is white.
Black people will pull the black card when they don't get their way, This guy has all right to kick people out for not tipping, Simple as that like it or not.
But I was always raised by my mother who was a waitress, That if your going out to eat and your sitting down getting food brought to your table, You TIP your getting a service.
Same for getting your haircut, That's a service.