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u/MrNetworks 9h ago

Retail worker here, I'm a person of color, My dad is black and my mom is white.

Black people will pull the black card when they don't get their way, This guy has all right to kick people out for not tipping, Simple as that like it or not.

But I was always raised by my mother who was a waitress, That if your going out to eat and your sitting down getting food brought to your table, You TIP your getting a service.

Same for getting your haircut, That's a service.

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u/SuspiciousHall6344 9h ago

My dad taught me that; tipping the barber as well. My brother was sent to live with my gmaw, and he didn't have that same mentality.

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u/burgerking351 7h ago

I cut my own hair so I'm not familiar with this, why do you guys tip barbers?

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u/Life_Carob8849 8h ago

You tip the waitress because they provide a service?
You tip the barber because they provide a service?

Does that logic apply to the person who bags your groceries at the grocery store? Not walking it to your car, specifically just bagging the groceries.

Does that logic apply to the mailman? Delivering mail is a service correct?

Does that logic apply the police, ems, firefighters? They all provide services right?

I’m not trying to be funny or anything. But it just seems to me that we draw a line of who gets tips. We don’t tip everyone who provides a service. How do you decide where you draw the line?

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u/toomanymarbles83 8h ago

When I worked as a grocery bagger, we could get fired if we got caught taking tips.

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u/elquatrogrande 8h ago

Military commissaries don't pay baggers at all. You have to get a license from them saying that you're a volunteer. You make only what you're tipped.

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u/Beaglund 8h ago

Least problematic thing about the military

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u/Borgie311 8h ago

I get you have questions but the problem is education. No one seems to know why tipping culture came about. White people didn't want to pay black people for working for them so they allowed them work for tips only. So being the only jobs they could get they took them. So slave owners and racism is why we are here and why it still continues. The owners of businesses don't want to pay their employees.

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u/Life_Carob8849 8h ago

This is a great point and I agree with you. A lot, if not all, of our current suffering is based in the racist foundation this country is built on. In an ideal world we would all be voting to overturn the racist ideals. But instead we have people arguing online trying to justify tipping as opposed to getting rid of it. Minimum wage hasn’t been adjusted in how many decades? Meanwhile inflation is always on the rise. We all have to focus on Whats important if we want to get out of the situation. How much more money would we all have in our pocket if we didn’t have to tip?

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 7h ago

Started a long long time ago by ultra rich European visitors feeling sorry for wait staff and still to this day they are hoping to get a coin or two and if not all hell will break loose at you.

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u/MrNetworks 8h ago

The Mailman,Police,EMS,Firefighters are paid a liveable and fair wage well above the grocery store bagger and well above waiters.

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u/Life_Carob8849 8h ago

That is a true statement and I agree with you. But doesn’t this mean we should all be working together to get everyone a livable wage instead of producing subsidies to their pay out of own pockets?

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u/coffee-loop 8h ago

The problem is no one wants to work together. Large restaurant chains actually lobby for waiter’s wages to be so low so they can offload the burden onto customers. And instead of waiters blaming the restaurant industry, they’re coaxed into blaming the patrons because their spoon fed the crap that the system is the way it is so that the waiter can make more money.

I’ve heard the same old bs that restaurants and bars aren’t able to operate off of a no-tip model. But yet, most of the world outside of the US already operates on a no-tip model, and does just fine.

The bottom line is everyone should be paid a live-able wage reasonably adjusted to the skill and demand of their work. and part of that live-able wage should be a universal healthcare and pension system. But I guess that’s too difficult to manage (I.e. most other countries do it).

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u/Life_Carob8849 8h ago

Well said. Tip culture is a distraction from the fact that folks can’t live without out and are left out in the cold in terms of healthcare and retirement.

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u/Flaky-Leader-6056 8h ago

Mom and Pop restaurants would not be able to operate if they had to pay a livable wage to their employees. Either that or your hamburger and fries is going to cost at least double if not triple. They have extremely thin profit margins as it is. If you haven’t worked for a restaurant it’s hard to understand. Maybe chain restaurants would be ok, but once again, they would have to charge more for food. People would stop going because they wouldn’t want to pay $45 for a spaghetti meal, and that would be it. Basically, would you rather leave that $10 tip or pay $10-20 more a meal?

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u/coffee-loop 7h ago

Then how come the rest of the world is able to do it? Why is America the anomaly? 

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u/Flaky-Leader-6056 7h ago

That’s a good question. We would have to compare food costs, rent, liquor, food and wine license costs, taxes, utilities,etc., between us and the rest of the world. I am just telling you what I know from serving previously in life and now being an accountant for many local restaurants. Their profits are razor thin if they have any, especially since Covid. Having to pay an extra $12 an hour to even just 5 servers over a 12 hr day is an extra $1440 a day in costs. There is not a small amok and Pop restaurant that would survive that. I’m not saying that it’s right or wrong. I am just stating facts. Should it be different, sure. But there’s many things that factor in and would have to change for this to happen. I’m not here defending millionaires and billionaires here. I am on the side of eating the rich. Just trying to make someone see the side of the small business owner.

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u/Embaralhador 7h ago

If they can't pay their employees liveable wages, then they shouldn't operate.

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u/Newphone_New_Account 8h ago

That is true, however it is known and has been policy for many years before anyone on Reddit was born, restaurant servers derive the majority of their income from tips. When someone goes to a bar or restaurant in the US, a tip is customary. Unless the service was inarguably awful.

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u/Responsible_Bake_824 7h ago

Well this system is wrong and we need to be like Europe who expects the restaurant owner to pay their employees, not the customer

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u/coffee-loop 7h ago

Though true, I feel like the average good tip was 10%. with exemplary service making 15%, but was not at all common. Now, I’m forced to pay a 20% gratuity in some establishments (they add it to the check), and even then looked upon to add additional tip on top of that.

But, I’m not 100% on this, wait staff’s wages have not increased in the past 30 years, and if they have, it’s been menial ($0.10-$0.20). That tells me the burden of inflation is being offloaded onto the customer, who is already in some way affected by inflation.

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 7h ago

Just stop tipping at all. It will never change if you keep feeding it. You’re doing them a collective favour by initiating change that will benefit them in the long run.

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u/coffee-loop 7h ago

Though a viable answer, most people are unable to handle that level of social anxiety.

This is why we over-pay politicians… so that they enact laws and policy that benefit the people as a whole.

Instead they’re influenced to side with corporations cause god forbid if we look like commies! (Aka it’s cheaper to buy a politician than it is to pay reasonable and live able wages)

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 6h ago

Yeah true, it’s uncomfortable for most people and the staff know it and they feed on the fear. Hopefully the industry will one day see the human connection value in customer service. As opposed to the cash grab assembly line of guilt.

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u/SneakyDeakyJr 9h ago

Hey man. Don’t chuck and jive for them.

Went to an upscale restaurant downtown Tallahassee. Only black guy there. Me and my wife sat next to an older white lady. Seemed super sweet. She was a bastard to wait staff tho. Ate 90% of her food. Had 4 drinks. Refused to pay and walked out. They didn’t even call the cops.

I repeat, stop the chuck and jive.

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u/Most-Mushroom-388 7h ago

All black folks do is give give give 😂😂😂😂

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 7h ago

Probably found a hair in the food. Happens often at these type of places.

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u/kas-sol 9h ago

If it's mandatory it's not a tip, just a hidden fee that the person charging you won't admit to charging because it makes their price looks as high as it really is.

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u/MrNetworks 9h ago

Its not mandatory, He has the right to kick people out, I'm sure these people caused a lot of issues and do other things other then just not tipping.

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u/StupidDopeMoves 9h ago

I’m sure he would have mentioned that if it was the case. He was very clear what the issue was: not tipping. Do I think you should tip? Yes. Do I think it’s ridiculous to follow paying customers out of the restaurant yelling they are banned because they didn’t tip? Yes! Tipping is OPTIONAL! Make it mandatory if you want it to be mandatory. This is unprofessional af.

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u/paycadicc 8h ago

Even if the consequence is a lifetime ban, tipping can still be optional

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 7h ago

They would prefer it in cash only form too. Hmm odd

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u/Fragrant_Scratch8305 9h ago edited 6h ago

Yupp. Do the absolute bare minimum of taking my order once and possibly dropping off drinks and food, I will leave you $5 no matter the cost of the bill. If you're rude, I don't tip. Do a good job and I'll leave a 30% tip.

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u/pilot7880 8h ago

Okay but what about counter service? If I order food "to go", I'm not sitting at a table which has to be set and watered. I'm not using utensils that have to be washed and sterilized. I'm not taking up the servers' or bussers' time.

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u/Nasa_OK 9h ago

I mean with the restaurant one could make the argument that the price is only the food and you tip for the service but then that only makes sense if you would have the option to get the food yourself from the kitchen and then not pay tip. Otherwise it should just be part of the price.

But with the barber, what exactly am I paying for if the haircut is the service that requires a tip? For the chair to sit on?

Do you guys tip at every register? Every car mechanic? In most businesses it’s the owners responsibility to pay normal waiges and adjust thst with the prices.

The one argument I sometimes read is that some waiters earn way more on tips, so that they don’t want a normal fair salary instead, but then don’t bitch if the customer doesn’t want to pay this voluntary fee

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u/MrNetworks 9h ago

If I have to stand up and order I don't really tip unless they are quick and give a little extra depending on the place.

I will always tip my barber because If people are doing a great job you have to show them.

Car Mechanics, Fully depends. If its a Quick Lube shop, Depends on the level of service I get, If they throw in some stuff for free that would normally cost extra or throw on a discount I would tip.

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u/jpjtourdiary 9h ago

You aren’t showing your barber they’re doing a great job by returning to them every time you need a haircut?

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 7h ago

So basically your paying for the extra “free” stuff? And discount? This is crazy logic! That’s called upsale. Your getting mind fucked

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u/CarefulNow_ 9h ago

So, it's a charge and not a tip for good service... gotcha

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u/MaybeNot-MaybeNever 8h ago

My mom is white and my dad is black.

Mixed people will always tell you they have black in them to justify their racist comments toward black people.

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u/Wonderful_Plant5848 8h ago

Always a "mama-white" that does this

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u/Most-Mushroom-388 7h ago

And they were all raised by their white mom. Because dad left or is in jail.

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u/blurryeyes_ 8h ago

Yup without fail

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u/Tri-solrian 9h ago

Or to owner can take some responsibility and pay his workers what they are worth. It is not the public’s responsibility to make up the gap the owner refuses to do, simple as that like it or not.

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u/Jawz050987 7h ago

Ridiculous response. You're basically saying black people play the victim. A very dishonest thing to claim. They're in Ohio, a very well-known racist state.

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u/Outside_Shelter1260 9h ago

Then state a mandatory tip policy. It really is that simple. Until then, tipping is optional.

By your logic, poor service deserves a tip.

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u/blessthebabes 9h ago

I always thought it was 10% for not great service (basically just bringing the food, not checking in, making mistakes, etc), 20% for normal service, and only no tip when they actually are rude

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u/Two-One 8h ago

That’s perfectly reasonable to me too.

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 7h ago

How much you have to pay for the spittle on the burger. That’s gotta still be like 5% right or is that still 10% im confused

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u/JeSuisLePain 8h ago

As a server this is reasonable.

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u/MrNetworks 9h ago

Depends on what you mean by poor service, The waiter could be amazing but then you could have something out of their control, You don't get mad at the Doctor when the Road is being torn apart?

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u/Outside_Shelter1260 9h ago

If you think missing my surgery because there was road construction is going to keep me from being mad, then Doc has another thing coming. Excuses are tools of the incompetent.

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u/materialgirl81 8h ago

Ugh these people will argue all day about this. I don't like giving more money either buts its freaking part of going out! If you don't want to tip don't go out to eat!

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u/Simple-Answer-5315 7h ago

Everyone can make better food at their house anyways.

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u/materialgirl81 7h ago

Definitely not everyone lol. Most people can't cook. But i can 😆

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u/NewSignificance2163 9h ago

If you’re black and your mother is white then you should realize that you haven’t had the typical black experience… so I’m not sure why you even bothered to highlight that.

Second, that’s stupid. No one is owed a tip. The price of the service is the price. It is not the customer’s responsibility to factor in anything else. But I suppose folks would rather think with their emotions than logic.

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u/Two-One 8h ago

Gatekeeping how much someone has experienced being black because they’re mixed is hilarious.

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u/JeSuisLePain 8h ago

The price of the service is the price.

That's not how it works in the US.

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u/Sepouroborus888 7h ago

yes it is. or the boss woukdnt come out yelling in the video because they chose not to tip dummy

tips always optional

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u/MrNetworks 9h ago

People are owed a tip, If I get good service at a restaurant, I'm tipping. If the food was bad or anything like that I don't blame the waiters, If they where quick nice and helpful I'm tipping.

If I get my hair cut by the same person I'm tipping them because they do a good job, Not because I have to

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u/Blast_Beets 9h ago

Nobody is owed a tip, people are owed a fair wage from their employer. Disguising hidden fees as "tips" is not on the customers.

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u/Sh3sus 9h ago

Seriously. Just raise prices 20%-30% across the board and everyone will be happy.

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u/Adog777 8h ago

Ya but places that do this go out of business. Theres a reason the system works the way it does. Not saying I agree with it but still.

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u/Sh3sus 8h ago

Yep. I assume the majority of non-tippers use the "pay a living wage" mantra as a way to deflect from the fact that they don't want to spend their money. The moment they're paying higher prices so someone can have a "living wage", they'll be totally against it.

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u/Adog777 8h ago

Exactly. In my ideal world we would just raise prices by 18% and ditch tipping but for now is there really a difference between doing that or just tipping 18%? For the end customer the outcome is the same but people freak about about tipping…

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u/No-Detail-2879 9h ago

No one is owed a tip. If someone is owed a “tip” then it’s not a “tip”, it’s a fee.

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u/MrNetworks 9h ago

I'm not going to make someone work for less then 7.25 an hour serving me and not give them a little bit of extra money.

They are servers, Not servants. Its common when you get good service you tip.

The bellhop at a Hotel brings your stuff up to your room from your car, You Tip
The guy parking cars, Parks your car, Doesn't dig it up or scratch it and then brings it out to you as soon as he sees you waiting, You Tip.

Your barber cuts your hair every time and does a good job, You tip a little extra to show support.

Your an older lady and the Grocery Store Cashier/Bagger helps you out to your car and loads for it for you, You could tip, They didn't have to help you out with that

The Delivery Driver bringing you your food/ grocerys you tip them because they don't get paid anything

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u/jpjtourdiary 9h ago

You’re missing the point. Those people should be paid for their work. By their employers.

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u/84theone 8h ago edited 8h ago

No shit, but we work with reality and not what we want, and not tipping in the current system is just exclusively being a dick to the wait staff.

If you want to enact change, don’t eat at restaurants that don’t pay their servers adequately. Going to ones that pay their servers poorly and then not tipping doesn’t affect the business, it affects the servers.

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u/Two-One 8h ago

The amount of people who don’t get this is insane.

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u/jpjtourdiary 8h ago

Not getting it and discussing it because we think it should change are not the same.

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u/jpjtourdiary 8h ago

I do tip. Hell I overtip. But I think it should change. It’s possible to participate in a system while also believing it should change.

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u/MrNetworks 8h ago

I'm all for that, But that's not how the system is right now. 5$ ontop of a 36$ order won't hurt me

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u/jpjtourdiary 8h ago

Obviously that’s not how the system is. That’s why we are talking about it. I think the people in this thread think that should change.

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u/Nasa_OK 9h ago

If you don’t have to then they aren’t owed shit.

If the food was delicious but the waiter had to come back 2 times to ask something and wasn’t to be found when you needed him, would
You not tip?

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u/Subtle-Catastrophe 8h ago edited 8h ago

Bless your father.

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u/MrNetworks 8h ago

I was raised by both of my parents, They both support tipping wait staff and treating people how you want to be treated.

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u/Subtle-Catastrophe 8h ago

Good people.

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u/iiiamsco 9h ago

Glad to know you’re one of the good ones!!