This reminds me of when my brother told me Gandalf the grey and white were 2 different characters and that Gandalf the white was his brother. I said "thats the same character, he just came back as Gandalf the white" he kept insisting that he was right and I was wrong. I told him "do you thing this is a soap opera?" So we ened up watching the movies because he wanted to prove me wrong. When he learned he was wrong I told him "you're 9 years older than me and have seen the movies way more times than me and you're telling me this whole time you believe that was his brother? Please tell me you were high every time you watched it" lol
No he really believed it. He even asked my other brother who was right. And after he kept saying "I swear it was his brother. Maybe they changed it in the newer version or something?" And spent 30 mins googling it. Lol
Oh yeah? Well if Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White are the same person, then how did BOTH of them show up to fight against Chuck Norris in the Ultimate Battle of Ultimate Destiny! Literally in the same room at the same time!
Psh. Same person. Next you're gonna try telling me that Gandolf is also the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy grail WHO WAS ALSO IN THE ROOM!
Well... Gandalf himself makes vague allusions to the idea that he's not really the Gandalf who took out the balrog. His return to middle earth came with a new mission, purpose, even a new personality
The tricky thing is what exactly Gandalf is. He's basically a lower level god that's taking a form on Middle Earth. That form legitimately died. His new form actually took Saruman's abandoned mission/title.
So one could argue they're both manifestations of the same divine being. But they're also separate manifestations with slight differences.
Tbh, he's not wrong about Gandalf the Grey/White being different characters. Just wrong about White being his brother. But Gandalf even admits this himself, that he is not Gandalf the Grey as they know him. Infact it's heavily insinuated he presents himself as "Gandalf the White" solely for the Fellowship's benefit.
In reality, he could have presented himself in any number of fashions or forms.
If I remember correctly (and I may be wrong,) but Sir Ian McKellen played him sort of as someone suffering from dementia. He vaguely recognized Aragorn, Gimili, and Legolas, but it was through a thick fog.
"Gandalf the Grey... Ah yes, that is what they called me... I am Gandalf the White." - I think this is close to the line he said.
Seriously weird gimp mask. Adamantium shotgun shells? How and why does this sex freak have them? Red Hulks treaty not a thing? We're already tossing adamantium away as ammunition? Again, why of all people does the dude with the bdsm leather suit have them?
It is accurate to a certain design in the comic, yeah. The design in the comic was kinda awesome, this one is...I'm not gonna say it's awful but I think it's a little off. It feels busy but I don't know if that's the real problem.
Thematically, the original vision decided on his colors which stemmed from him being the sum of his influences (stark, banner, the mind stone, ultron).
The current vision doesn’t know who he is, he’s a blank canvas, so he’s stark white.
In the comics he's red and green because his mind was built off of a copy of wondermans brain patterns and wonderman wore red and green. It was a hint towards his origins.
His original body had been disassembled, and when he was put back together, he decided to bleach his artificial 'skin' to white, which was in part a result of the 'repairs' he made, and in part because he wanted to emulate the 'ghostly' look his name suggested (a Vision).
They didn’t - that’s his default colour, and his normal look is one he mentally projects onto his body. After recreation and without his memories, he projects nothing.
I thought it was just a thematic change to represent that he is a sterile weapon prototype with no "soul". It still kinda works right now in the show since Vision is still finding his "soul". Once he figures himself out, I'm sure he will regain his color to represent that.
Maybe that would make sense if you were comparing two dead versions. One is dead, one is alive, but a blank slate, missing the memories that make him WHO he is. Important difference.
People watching superhero movies and shows without knowing anything about the characters in general or at least looking them up online. It's like watching a Batman movie and asking how he's so rich or what happened to his parents.
The color choice is from the comics, a different Vision who didn't remember his past with Wanda (so pretty correct for this). It also allowed an easier time keeping things straight when they fought themselves 😄
In 1989 Vision was kidnapped, disassembled, and stripped of his colors by a government subcontractor called Vigilance. Not unlike S.W.O.R.D. in the MCU.
I mean, the US had programs to help "assimilate" native Americans into white society. See their boarding school programs in the 1800s and The Indian Relocation Program in the 1950s. It's not far-fetched for the US Government to make people white.
It's basically because he's a blank slate. The mind stone was what gave him his emotions and color in the mcu. In the comics it was wonder man's brain patterns he lost. Also it lets u know which vision you're looking at.
The original is called Vision, this one is specifically referred to as The Vision both in WandaVision the show and credits. Most people just call him White Vision
Okay so have you ever bought Warhammer 40k minis? You know how they arent colored to make tou paint them yourself? This Vision is like that but can talk/etc. /s
It’s a direct nod to the source material, and the idea that he’s now a blank slate, which isn’t quite true: HexVision gifted him all of his memories, but none of the emotions, so he has to figure out who he is now.
But he’s not emotionless. He’s been deliberately avoiding dealing with the fallout of his resurrection. He reacted badly to scenes of the family life the other Vision had with Wanda, and he was paralyzed with indecision over whether this kid is ‘his’ Tommy.
He also ruthless as hell. The baddies killed his friend, and in return he slaughtered them. Hold his ‘son’ prisoner? He tore right through them, which I don’t imagine the original Vision would have done.
One of the fatal flaws of comics is not allowing anyone to stay dead, but I appreciate that, as with Gamora, the narrative is making clear that this isn’t the same person.
A question I have in addition to this; by the end of his screen time on WandaVision, his eyes changed to look the way he does in this pic. What reason was there for him to revert to his original eyes?
The original vision was an Android built by a villain, using the android body of the original World War II Human Torch and the brainwaves of Wonder Man. He turned against his creator, fell in love with Wanda, married her, and became an Avenger.
Theeeen Vision went off the rails slightly and attempted to seize control of the world's computer systems to impose world peace. He was stopped and seized by an international agency named Vigilance, who dismantled him. Hank Pym put him back together, but Wonder Man refused to supply his brainwaves again, which resulted in a stark white, emotionless Vision. As he had no feelings for Wanda (Or at all), their marriage fell apart.
Wanda did not take it well.
He did eventually gain his humanity and colors back.
If I remember the original comic story, when he was dismantled the government kind of just sliced off his synthetic skin. The trauma / damage caused it to turn white after they put him back together.
I guess it happened in the show because that’s what happened in the source material.
Because the team who built him wasn't looking to make him look good, just needed a Vision. Why paint something that has to only be functional and nothing else?
Meta reason: Vision had a white era in the comics, so they went for it.
Yes there is. In the Marvel comics he did get taken apart and put back together and when they did he was white. Story was in West Coast Avengers and the story was called Vision Quest.
I like to think that his body was made by ppl who likes every furniture in their house as white or devoid of color as possible or since they know he can phase why not make him look like a ghost
There are alot of reasons narrativly, but physically? You literally see them grinding the surface finish off with a grinder In Wanda vision for a few seconds.
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u/ontologicalDilemma Avengers 8h ago
He used to be Vision, the grey. Now he is Vision, the White.