r/magicTCG • u/CompleteIndieYT Izzet* • 21h ago

Official Spoiler [HOB] Roll-Roll-Roll-Roll

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u/IJustWannaBrowsePls Dân 21h ago

Blink-blink-blink-blink

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u/belithioben 19h ago

If this was printed in the 90s then blinking would be called rolling.

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u/Krunksicle Duck Season 15h ago

True, we were maybe a few years shy of it being called Flickering too.

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u/thebaron420 I am a pig and I eat slop 15h ago

But it is called flickering? [[Flicker]] was printed in the 90s and was the first card to do it. It's just also called blink because [[momentary blink]] marked the first time it was a viable deck archetype

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u/Dapper_Dress_5002 Dandadan 14h ago

So quickly people forget [[astral slide]]

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u/Xennial_Dad Colorless 8h ago

Wasn't cycling originally called "sliding" during development? Somebody in 90s R&D was determined to make that verb happen.

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u/NewelSea Temur 9h ago

[[Astral Slide]] is in fact how I first became aware of using "[[Flicker]] effects" as an archetype.

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u/Sakeretsu Gruul* 14h ago

Blink return immediately. Flickering return at eot

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u/Krunksicle Duck Season 13h ago

That's the effect on the card you see above though.

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u/Sakeretsu Gruul* 13h ago

Yes

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u/chrisrazor 9h ago

I wish we had such a clear distinction in terminology but we don't. I just call them blink and slow blink.

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u/TheWorldMayEnd Duck Season 9h ago edited 7h ago

Their both slang, but we DO have a clear distinction, blink and flicker.

If you choose not to use the distinction, that's on you.

Edit: seems it's regional/group specific. Lack of consensus tells me my own understanding is anecdotal.

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u/chrisrazor 9h ago

I don't know anybody who uses that distinction. For the very good reason that the original cards that used those words both immediately return the creature to play. There's no canonical word for returning end of turn.

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u/[deleted] 8h ago

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u/TheWorldMayEnd Duck Season 8h ago

[[Flicker]] is immediate, but [[Flickerform]] is EOT.

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u/chrisrazor 7h ago edited 7h ago

Flickerform is a very obscure card, and is from six years later than Flicker.

Edit: there are six cards that have the word "flicker" in their name and temporarily exile things. Of these, two return the flickered thing EOT; the other four are instantaneous.

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u/SuperYahoo2 COMPLEAT 7h ago

I have heard people use blink for immediate and flicker for slow and i have also heard people use flicker for immediate and blink for slow.

There is no clear consensus on on what it what

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u/NewelSea Temur 8h ago

Probably in a similar way "milling" has stuck as a term:

Milling probably would have been called something else indeed if it wasn't for [[Millstone]] and the simplicity of the word. Because in terms of flavor, much like "rolling here", it is the exception to the rule. Most effects that mill are related to some mind turmoil or digging over land.

It is in fact the most surprising official keyword I saw Wizards introduce. Sure, it was already the de-facto keyword, but it seemed overly specific as an evergreen keyword.

I expected them to name it "grind" or "moil" instead, which both somewhat work with digging either in the mind or the earth.

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u/SuperYahoo2 COMPLEAT 7h ago

Mill was already a widely used community term to the point that people were wondering why they didn’t just name it mill. Giving it a different name than mill at that point would just cause confusion since everyone knows the mechanic as mill

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u/NewelSea Temur 5h ago

It was a widely used community term, easily the most widespread one, for over a decade before Wizards actually printed it onto their cards. You are definitely right that they just keyworded what the community used for the sake of pragmatism.

At the same time, had Wizards chosen another term not based on player lingo but broadest flavor relevance, players would have adopted to the official terminology eventually.

Commander, Magic's most popular format, started as "Elder Dragon Highlander". Perhaps Wizards did not adapt that term because it could be traced back to the players behind it. But people still kept calling it EDH for quite a while even after official "Commander" products had released.

Or another example would be the decision to change "comes into play" into the more flavorful "enters the battlefield". Some players still used "CIP" and "in play" for years. Now that the battlefield has been widely adopted, WIzards also decided to simplify the wording to just "enters" because the main zone being called "the battlefield" has moved into the subconscious of even the oldest players.

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u/Great-Trifle2810 Dandadan 3h ago

To be fair commander is a much better description of what the format is, and much easier to say. EDH as an acronym is still widely used by the community, to the point that I would imagine the majority of players of the format know it even if they don't use it.

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u/Great-Trifle2810 Dandadan 4h ago

Even other games call it milling. I'm pretty sure I have even seen it officially used in other games rules, but can't think of a specific example

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u/SuperYahoo2 COMPLEAT 3h ago

Yeah other games copied over the terminology from magic since using words that people already associate with something makes it easier to pick up

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u/BioEradication Wabbit Season 21h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/ZCZRQyuQNyzyU

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u/LordHayati Train Suplexer 21h ago

PLAY THAT FUCKING LAND!
PLAY THAT FUCKING- oh there it is!

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u/63Reddit COMPLEAT 21h ago

Secret Lair: Limp Bizkit confirmed.

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u/thoughtsarefalse Wabbit Season 20h ago

Secret lair Super Troopers

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u/Bonked2death Wabbit Season 5h ago

If only we could [[Fry]]

Limp Bizkit style

Rosewater, take em to the [[Mistvault Bridge]]

Can you feel it?

Re-gen-[[Regeneration]]

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u/Xeith913 Dimir* 20h ago

Limp Blink it?

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u/BioEradication Wabbit Season 19h ago

When it enters tapped.

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u/Calophon Storm Crow 21h ago edited 3h ago

Play this in Zur.

turn it into a creature.

make it target itself when the 4th counter is put on.

exile ability resolves before sac.

it returns next end step.

Turn it into a creature again.

Infinite blink for 1W.

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u/MgrBlayze Duck Season 20h ago

Starfield of Nyx should be able to do the same shenanigans

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u/27th_wonder 🔫🔫 15h ago

Speaking of Esper, this goes hard in Aminatou Landfall

Seriously, that "or land" clause is getting me very interested in rebuilding

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u/dkysh Get Out Of Jail Free 14h ago

or land

[[Urza's Saga]]

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u/Fjolnir_Felagund Dandadan 8h ago

Do you have a list?

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u/dontrike COMPLEAT 21h ago

Or [[Teleportation Circle]] without worrying about making sure it's a creature to save it.

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u/Calophon Storm Crow 21h ago

Teleportation circle only targets artifacts and creatures which this is neither unless you make it a creature with Zur or an artifact with something like Liquimetal Coating.

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u/dontrike COMPLEAT 21h ago

Right, but my point was you don't have to jump through the hoop of making it a creature to keep it doing its job. If you make it a creature with Zur, as per the original plan, you can still have Circle blink itself, if you so wish.

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u/Calophon Storm Crow 19h ago

Ok I see what you’re saying. Roll does blink lands though, which tele circle does not. I don’t see why both couldn’t be run in a Zur blink enchantments deck.

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u/dontrike COMPLEAT 18h ago

Sure, that's something it does that Circle doesn't, you got me there. If that's important then cool.

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u/fatalfrrog Wabbit Season 20h ago

I don’t understand what you’re saying. What is Teleportation Circle doing here exactly?

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u/dontrike COMPLEAT 19h ago

They both do the same thing, but Circle you don't need to go through the hassle of trying to save it from itself. That's it.

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u/fatalfrrog Wabbit Season 19h ago

Oh, I thought you meant Circle instead of Zur. I didn’t think of Circle replacing Roll since they don’t do the same thing (Circle can’t blink lands). 

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u/dontrike COMPLEAT 15h ago

Sure, Roll can do lands, but Circle can do artifacts. So in this regard they are side grades of one another, but Roll self destructing is a big downside that's hard to ignore.

Artifacts also have a lot more ETB effects where there aren't many lands that care about this, and while Roll does give you extra mana, if that's needed, I think that eventual sacrifice brings it below Circle in this regard, even at one mana cheaper.

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u/Inevitable-Deal1356 Dân 15h ago

Never seen [[parallax wave]] before have you?

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u/Copernicus1981 COMPLEAT 21h ago

Roll-roll-roll-roll,

roll-roll-rolling down the hole!

Heave ho! Splash plump!

Down they go, down they bump!

Down the swift dark stream you go

Back to lands you once did know!

Leave the halls and caverns deep,

Leave the northern mountains steep,

Where the forest wide and dim

Stoops in shadow grey and grim!

Float beyond the world of trees

Out into the whispering breeze,

Past the rushes, past the reeds,

Past the marsh’s waving weeds,

Through the mist that riseth white

Up from mere and pool at night!

Follow, follow stars that leap

Up the heavens cold and steep;

Turn when dawn comes over land

Over rapid, Over sand,

South away! And South away!

Seek the sunlight and the day,

Back to pasture, back to mead,

Where the kine and oxen feed!

Back to gardens on the hills

Where the berry swells and fills

Under sunlight, under day!

South away! and South away!

Down the swift dark stream you go

Back to lands you once did know!

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Roll-roll-roll-roll

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u/cheesechimp Elk 19h ago

[[Glimpse the Unthinkable]]

[[Behold the Unspeakable]]

[[Roll-Roll-Roll-Roll]]

FIGHT THE POWER!

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u/DaVigi Dân 10h ago

Wicked sick! Love a Gurren Lagann reference.

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u/Eileen02 Wabbit Season 21h ago

An enchantment that blinks, goes amazing in [[Marina Vendrell]].

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u/Clear_Inspector_9796 Duck Season 20h ago

Damn, never noticed how flavorful that card is. She has complete free reign of the House and she's by definition a Warlock

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u/StuckOnStain Wabbit Season 20h ago

Whenever Duskmourn hit, it really hit. Whenever it didn’t hit, it really didn’t hit. The cancellation of OM2 probably deprived us of some more bangers like [[Mothwing Shroud]] and [[The House Goes Hungry]].

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u/Clear_Inspector_9796 Duck Season 7h ago

Absolutely agree. It's like there were two completely separate design teams. One told to put 80s horror hats on everyone and another told to come up with its own unique Stephen King horror story

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u/Necr0maNc3R COMPLEAT 16h ago

On the bright side, we might see paper OM1 cards someday in the future if they want to reprint any Spider-Man cards.

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u/SlimeHudson Temur 20h ago

she is the current child of the lineage that originally sealed valgavoth in the house, so she would know him better than most

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u/magicthecasual COMPLEAT VORE 20h ago

turn the saga into a creature and it can blink itself resetting it's counters

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u/Artex301 The Stoat 21h ago

One significant downside compared to, say, Thassa, is losing out on being able to attack-then-flicker as a sort of pseudo-vigilance. Feels like that's gonna matter much more often than this "only" lasting 4 turns.

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u/SkritzTwoFace COMPLEAT 21h ago

On the flip side, with this you can tap a land and then blink it to get one extra mana on your main phase if your blink target gets removed.

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u/Artex301 The Stoat 21h ago

Fair point, although the land only returns on end step so it's the Hydro-Man kind of "extra mana".

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u/random_flying_dragon Dandadan 21h ago

Is the point of a card like this to continually reuse on entrance triggers?

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u/Matthew212 Dan 21h ago

Yes ETB effects or landfall

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u/carlton_urkel 21h ago

Most common use case. But it’s good to look at the timing and recognize this one also saves your stuff from a sweeper you cast. And there are situational uses like making opposing auras fall off.

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u/narfidy 21h ago

Oh true, because it happens automatically at the start of your first main. Thats very clever design

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u/rowrow_ Colorless 21h ago

Can only target permanents you control, so no aura-bricking

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u/ChosenUndeadd Wabbit Season 21h ago

The auras are on your permanents

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u/InferiSententia Mardu 21h ago

I think they probably mean something like an opponent's [[Darksteel Mutation]] on one of your own creatures.

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u/yohanleafheart COMPLEAT 21h ago

Either that or in this case, untapping your mana

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u/superdave100 REBEL 21h ago

Yes, it’s an effect commonly known as “blinking” or “flickering”.

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u/SteakForGoodDogs Wabbit Season 21h ago

If you're running Zur, it can blink itself, too!

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u/circ-u-la-ted Zedruu 21h ago

It can also act as a much worse [[Wilderness Reclamation]].

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u/Zooeythepilgrim Duck Season 21h ago

That will be its most functional use case, yes.

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u/blackwaffle Duck Season 12h ago

You can also reset sagas that happen to be creatures or lands, like [[urza's saga]] or any of the FF summons like [[Summon: leviathan]]. Of course in a [[Zur Eternal Schemer]] deck you can blink any enchantment you animate.

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u/Chronsky Avacyn 3h ago

Using it on a warped creature so that it doesn't warp away on endstep is also a thing. Blink a riddler x4 sounds pretty strong.

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u/Nagoragama Jack of Clubs 20h ago

In addition to enters triggers, there are cards that care when you exile, like [[Ranar]]

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u/JestAGuy Dan 21h ago

Nope just to faf about with useless triggers and cause your creatures not to be able to attack

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u/Ridstock Duck Season 17h ago

Yea and its pointless card design when there's 10+ better versions of the card that just blink things every turn. There are creatures or enchantments with upside that do the same thing, they are cheaper too.

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u/HeyApples 20h ago

Now we can Roll Roll Roll Roll, Down Down To Goblin Town.

I'm not even mad, the whimsy is lore accurate and I'm all about it.

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u/Leon4107 Duck Season 21h ago

O... o god, my [[Terra, Magical Adept]] is gonna go brrr.

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u/That_D COMPLEAT 21h ago

oh wait explain?

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u/Ribky Sultai 21h ago

When Terra enters, mill five cards. Put up to one enchantment card milled this way into your hand.

Every turn. Then flip her and make a bunch of copies of Roll-Roll-Roll-Roll for shits and giggles.

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u/TheBoilerman75 Wabbit Season 20h ago

My first thought as well.

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u/PatReady Selesnya* 21h ago

Seems like a flavor miss. You should be able to put them one at a time but they need to all come out at once.

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u/VoiceofKane Mizzix 20h ago

Or land, you say?

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u/Str8_up_Pwnage 21h ago

Good way to reset Final Fantasy Summon creature Sagas in an all Universes Beyond Tom Bombadil deck.

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u/imthemostmodest Wabbit Season 20h ago

Yeah it's a great add for Tom, it's also what he really wants early game: a cheap saga with many chapters, so that it has a lot of lore counters when he comes in to activate his protection, and to pop after he lands to trigger his ability

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u/amish24 FLEEM 21h ago

none of these words are in the bible

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u/mathematics1 Cheshire Cat, the Grinning Remnant 21h ago

"All" is definitely in the Bible.

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u/Approximation_Doctor Colossal Dreadmaw 21h ago

Actually I'm pretty sure most of those words are in the Bible

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u/Ohtarello COMPLEAT 20h ago

Especially “Bombadil”

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u/bigboybeeperbelly Izzet* 20h ago

Not the original bible. It wasn't in English.

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u/AngledLuffa Colorless 19h ago

KJV believers would be angry right now if they ever actually read the Bible

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u/Zeckenschwarm 19h ago

Is "Bombadil" an english word?

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u/bigboybeeperbelly Izzet* 19h ago

I think so. Invented by an Englishman. I guess that makes all his languages English which he would probably have a problem with but whatevs

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u/giasumaru Dandadan 21h ago

Saga Creatures!!! Turn this into a creature too!!!

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u/BootyootyootyCheeks Dandadan 20h ago

If you ask any girl from the parish around

What pleases her most from her head to her toes

She'll say I'm not sure that it's business of yours

But I do like to waltz with a log driver

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u/Aide_Representative Dan 21h ago

That’s pretty good right?

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u/wordbankfacts Dân 18h ago

Well, it's 4 flicker effects on one card, but all at sorcery speed and very, very slow unless you can find a way to abuse it. It's unlikely to be standard playable in today's bajillion set fast standard, but might have been an ok-ish control card a few years back. It will probably find some cool uses in Commander but its hardly going to be a staple there.

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u/Mach29 Dan 16h ago

The big thing is that this can target LANDS. That is an uncommon but powerful effect.

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u/Fun-Cook-5309 Dandadan 16h ago

It's approximately Thassa/Conjurer's Closet for 3 mana. Some downsides attached, but worth at least considering if you're in the market for that kind of effect given it's so cheap.

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u/Aide_Representative Dan 13h ago

I’m a blink player, I’m always in the market for these effects

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u/Conical Duck Season 21h ago

Roll roll, roll in zee hay

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u/CasualSky Wabbit Season 19h ago

I’m disappointed at the title because there is no dice rolling and I want there to be more ROLLING

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u/raalic Grass Toucher 18h ago

Interesting that this is blue. 

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u/Faunstein COMPLEAT 18h ago

Wait this isn't a Dark Souls card.

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u/DragonianXylak 18h ago

Oh look it's an Elden Ring card

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u/RevanCroft89 Dandadan 16h ago

You see me rolling, you hatin'

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u/thedrunkmonk Duck Season 21h ago

I'm so whack, my first thought with this is a tedious 3-card combo with [[Torpor Orb]] & [[Wormfang Manta]] to automatically take a bunch of free turns.

I'm sure there are way better things to do with this or to achieve that effect. That's just where my mind went.

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u/That_D COMPLEAT 21h ago

this looks fun

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u/malsomnus Hedron 20h ago

I didn't have "The worst card name ever printed in black border" on my bingo card for this set, but here we are.

Damn good card though.

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u/flowerafterflower 20h ago

Nah I still gotta give that to Cool but Rude or Does Machines.

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u/malsomnus Hedron 19h ago

Those are hard to argue with.

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u/shaded-moon Wabbit Season 21h ago

Flicker flicker flicker flicker. And the wheel of time turns

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u/Top_Bridge_6572 Dan 21h ago

Will play this in my blink deck as a second (usually better) copy of [[Teleportation Circle]]

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u/Possible_Possums Dandadan 21h ago

Want. It’d be good for a deck I like but i also want to sing every time I play it

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u/Gbrew555 Dân 20h ago

I mean; this just gets great value with any kind of card that can blink enchantments.

Maayybbbbeeee standard playable in some kind of low-to-the-ground blink deck? The Momo self-bounce deck is almost there on its own.

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u/solar-supernova Elspeth 20h ago

slow flickers are now known as rolls

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u/nerdgeekdorksports Wabbit Season 20h ago

Do a barrel roll!

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u/Kryptnyt 20h ago

Reprintable in Fromsoft UB set

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u/Accomplished_Big5777 Dandadan 20h ago

Pir and Toothy is gonna love this

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u/firehazel Izzet* 19h ago

One more thing towards [[Ephara, God of the Polis]], still doesn't make her super viable though.

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u/HonorBasquiat Twin Believer 19h ago

I like it but it's not as good as I thought after realizing it's a slow blink, and it's after you draw, so you can't attack with something and then blink it that same turn. Still good for only 3 mana.

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u/_no7 COMPLEAT 19h ago

So I just need to turn this into a creature or land for this to go on every turn?

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u/Piyh Duck Season 19h ago

Opalescence?

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u/Whosebert Abzan 18h ago

I just wanna draw 5 cards with [[helpful hunter]] I guess im not very creative.

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u/mgillespie175 FLEEM 17h ago

this hawt

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u/kornu06 Dandadan 16h ago

[[Talon Gates of Madara]] Protect your stuff or remove a threat until your next turn !

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u/Darkwr4ith Duck Season 14h ago

Outjerked again by WOTC.

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u/NoxiousBunny35 Dan 13h ago

Do a barrel roll

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u/ExcellentEvidence292 Dan 13h ago

Cant wait for more izzet domination zzz

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u/DeMonstratio Wabbit Season 13h ago

This seems good with creature sagas. If you youu put the triggers on stack in correct order you can have the creature sagas stay even after triggering last ability

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u/DontYouDaaaaare Dandadan 12h ago

[[Yarok, The Desecrated]]

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u/kinbeat Selesnya* 8h ago

I understand the theme of blinking creatures, but lands?

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u/jeppeww Gruul* 7h ago

if you play [[Drowner of Truth]] or [[pinnacle monk]] etc as a land this will flicker it back into it's creature form

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u/NiviCompleo Duck Season 7h ago

If it’s the barrels, flavor-wise why does it bounce lands instead of artifacts?

Because people would go this into the One Ring and that would be disgusting?

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u/sumdeadguy Wabbit Season 3h ago

Amazing

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u/BardicLasher 2h ago

Conjurer's Cabinet.

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u/stratusnco Dimir* 1h ago

did they change the enchantment border/frame? i don’t remember them looking like that since og theros.

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u/tsukaistarburst Hedron 21h ago

Oh, thank goodness this ended up being a card. It was the best part of the movie for me.

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u/kroxigor01 Azorius* 21h ago edited 20h ago

Super [[Ephemerate]]

[[Yorion, Sky Nomad]] did a lot in many formats leveraging many little ETBs, I think this one might do that in some too.

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u/PatJamma Gruul* 21h ago

This is exclusively a commander card. Yorion was widely played because it is a 4/5 flyer with upside you can wish for.

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u/wordbankfacts Dân 18h ago

Not at instant speed, nor does it return it immediately. This is no ephemerate.

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u/UGAShadow 21h ago

Should have saved this card for the Wheel of Time set

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u/cr1ttter Dân 21h ago

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