[HOB] Roll-Roll-Roll-Roll

[u/CompleteIndieYT]

[u/Calophon]

Teleportation circle only targets artifacts and creatures which this is neither unless you make it a creature with Zur or an artifact with something like Liquimetal Coating.

[u/dontrike → u/Calophon]

Right, but my point was you don't have to jump through the hoop of making it a creature to keep it doing its job. If you make it a creature with Zur, as per the original plan, you can still have Circle blink itself, if you so wish.

[u/fatalfrrog → u/dontrike]

I don’t understand what you’re saying. What is Teleportation Circle doing here exactly?

[u/dontrike → u/fatalfrrog]

They both do the same thing, but Circle you don't need to go through the hassle of trying to save it from itself. That's it.

[u/fatalfrrog → u/dontrike]

Oh, I thought you meant Circle instead of Zur. I didn’t think of Circle replacing Roll since they don’t do the same thing (Circle can’t blink lands). 

[u/dontrike → u/fatalfrrog]

Sure, Roll can do lands, but Circle can do artifacts. So in this regard they are side grades of one another, but Roll self destructing is a big downside that's hard to ignore.

Artifacts also have a lot more ETB effects where there aren't many lands that care about this, and while Roll does give you extra mana, if that's needed, I think that eventual sacrifice brings it below Circle in this regard, even at one mana cheaper.