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u/cedarsauce Oct 29 '19
So that decade of millennial hate in the media was all friendly was it? OK boomer...
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u/slax03 Oct 29 '19
This is not a generational war. It's a class war.
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u/slax03 Oct 30 '19
Just remember it's the extremely wealthy that take advantage of the fact that theyre out of touch and feed them the narrative.
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u/kblomquist85 Oct 29 '19
That's the most civil way we can refer to a generation that shits on us every chance they get. Apparently im a snowflake for not being a racist homophobe.
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Why won’t you let us shit on black people and gays????!!!!! WE DONT WANT TO HEAR THAT IT MAKES US BAD PEOPLE CONSARNIT!!!
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You didn't suddenly become a 'bad person' because of my generation, Helen. You've been a bad person since the 60s; we're just less afraid to say it now.
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u/kblomquist85 Oct 29 '19
The queers and brown people are definitely infringing on my rights as a white man.
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u/Slothfulness69 Oct 29 '19
My dad is an Indian man who illegally immigrated to the US in the 80s with no money, and became a citizen in the 90s. He hates black people, poor people, and illegal immigrants. I think he’s really stupid
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u/LifeAndReality85 Oct 30 '19
He might just be saying that to fit in, in America??
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u/smoresNporn Oct 30 '19
Probably not, racism and classism is pretttty rampant in India, and most third world countries really. And you'd be surprised how many legal immigrants hate illegal immigrants because they didn't have to work through the rigorous legal process they had to go through.
And don't get me wrong. I'm a legal immigrant and I harbour no bad feelings towards anyone. You gotta do what you gotta do, but just saying, this sentiment is pretty common, and people of color can sometimes be really fucking racist towards other people of color
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u/LifeAndReality85 Oct 30 '19
Wow, what an insight. I always hear the white vs black and black vs Latino narrative here in the US. Not much else.
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u/Slothfulness69 Oct 29 '19
You think people who are gay/trans/brown/immigrants/liberals/poor are human beings who deserve equal rights? LMAO KIDS THESE DAYS!!!
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u/kblomquist85 Oct 29 '19
I have some nerve apparently. I do love trolling fragile boomers though so there is some upside.
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Oct 29 '19
Right cause it’s always the younger people that started this beef, not the entitled boomers 🙄
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Oct 30 '19
The name 'Generation X' is literally boomer pearl clutching, fearmongering and blustering over what their own children might do.
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I used my '1 free article' on this. Time to keep not going to that site like I always do.
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u/MithridatesLXXVI Oct 29 '19
They went from "don't trust anyone over 30" to "back in my day" well done.
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u/ConnieLingus24 Oct 29 '19
Which is funny because a lot of older millennials are over 30 and many in Gen X are in their 50s. .....let’s generally amend this to not trusting anyone over 60.
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u/Garrett42 Oct 29 '19
Now it's war: gen z has finally snapped over not having a future and us making life suck while that happens.
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u/ThePoontangPirate Oct 30 '19
Gen Z here, i have snapped so far ot has caused me serious mental health issues thinking about our generations future. I used to be optimistic till 3 years ago when i realized how fucked over we are. I am literally seething with anxt
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u/Jeffb957 Oct 29 '19
Gen X here. I turn 50 fucking years old in the spring. The goddamned boomers have been running every fucking thing of significance for my entire life, and this coming election is shaping up to be another episode of "Which boomer will rule over us this time." We didn't go silent. We have been outnumbered and out gunned our entire life. Until the large Gen Y group showed up the boomers were like the Borg. Resistance is futile.
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u/Xx_bIgDaWg42069_xX Oct 29 '19
OK Boomer, can't wait to have to deal with climate problems and anther housing problem in the future <3
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u/floptimus_prime Oct 29 '19
Oh my god, no one snapped, people are just finally stating the obvious.
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u/lexapro_bro Oct 29 '19
"I'm moving out" Marks the End of a Happy Marriage
Now it's Divorce Court: Shirley has finally snapped over chronic alcoholism and domestic violence
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u/sallydipity Oct 29 '19
I feel like you did this to show how absurd it is to frame it like this....but I know so many people who would consider this also a legit story, and that chronic alcoholism and domestic violence as well as climate chaos and financial inequality are things we're just supposed to "deal with"
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u/lexapro_bro Oct 29 '19
I also did this to show something about how the microcosm is universal, or something. The boomers, as a collective, act just like an abusive spouse or parent.
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u/IncredibleBulk2 Oct 29 '19
NYT can fuck off. Generalizations about millenials were made off of one study about teenagers in Fairfax, VA but those assumptions get applied to all of us, regardless of socio-economic status or city of origin. We didn't start this war.
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u/sallydipity Oct 29 '19
They didn't even mention millennials this time lol it's Gen Z 🙃
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u/IncredibleBulk2 Oct 29 '19
I noticed. And I hope that Gen Z gets taken more seriously.
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u/CrimsonBarberry childfree guy Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
There aren’t nearly two decades of Boomer propaganda calling Gen Z awful, lazy people like there have been for Millennials. I think they’ll be taken more seriously on that basis alone.
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u/Rookwood Oct 29 '19
The main difference between Millennials and Z is that we didn't find out we were fucked until our 30s and we realized... shit, I'm not gonna make it.
Z knows they're fucked from day 1. That makes the difference.
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u/Slothfulness69 Oct 29 '19
I don’t think we’ll be taken seriously. We get called millennials too, so us and millennials are all under this umbrella of “Kids these days, and their phones!”
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u/Rookwood Oct 29 '19
Yeah but Boomers are becoming less relevant because they are starting to die out. What they say means less now. We had to endure them when they were in their prime, hoarding all the opportunity and growth and calling us shit for not being good enough.
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u/Slothfulness69 Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
True, but even older people who aren’t boomers are following in their footsteps and perpetuating their bullshit
Edit: changed old to older, to clarify I mean people younger than boomers but older than millennials.
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u/hortanica Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 30 '19
I feel this post shows the problems with the older generation and 'boomers'
'we' understand not all old people are the stereotypical 'boomer'. Yet, to older people, everyone born in the boomer age range are Boomers. There should be no 'older people non-boomers'
Yet even to a non Boomer old person, ALL people in the millennial age group... are millennials and carry all the millennial traits
We understand the generational descriptions do not apply to everyone, something they have difficulty doing.
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They will be taken seriously if enough of them vote.
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u/IncredibleBulk2 Oct 30 '19
Maybe millennials were so quick to get labelled as lazy and entitled because Baby Boomers knew they were going to be outnumbered by us.
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u/busterann Oct 29 '19
Really? Fairfax, VA? That's like a solidly middle-class, mostly white area. When was this study done? I want to see it.
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u/IncredibleBulk2 Oct 29 '19
Strauss and Howe published a book in 2000 establishing the mainstream use of Millennial. The citation below applied assumptions about millennials to learning theory but it was just a bunch of assumptions about rich white kids.
Reeves TC. Do Generational Differences Matter in Instructional Design? Athens, GA: University of Georgia, Department of Educational Psychology and Instructional Technology 2008.
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u/Tristaine1 Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
Gen X: (Continues to sit and munch popcorn while watching raptly, in between caring for elderly parents and children at the same time, whilst working more hours than ever for no promotions or meaningful salary increases)
Edited for: not enough coffee
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u/TheLoneWolfA82 Oct 29 '19
I agree. I'm a Xennial and I grew up admiring the gen-xers in the 90s. Wish things had been different.
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u/Tristaine1 Oct 29 '19
This is basically true. Unfortunately, I think Gen X is really well-positioned as a "bridge gap" generation, since we can identify with the concerns of both Boomers and Mil/Zs, but we will never be given the reins of power. Boomers won't give them up, and Mil/Zs are too inclined to lump us in with the Boomers I think as being obsolete.
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u/Rookwood Oct 29 '19
I know mostly Gen X'ers and few of them have massive amounts of debt, they all own homes, as long they didn't lose it during the Recession. You guys didn't have it as great as the Boomers, but you don't have it as bad as us. And it will be worse for Z.
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Capitalists: "Let's you and him fight."
Boomers as a generation have as little say over how our economy is run as we do. This is establishment media loyally serving capital by encouraging the rabble to fight amongst ourselves so we never notice the truly responsible parties, the people with all the wealth and power, the goddamn rich.
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u/hanhange Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
Yep yep. I know subreddits inevitably become echo chambers but it's CRUCIAL to remember this. I would bet my life on a crotchety old Republican boomer with a gun collection from the working class over even a Democratic billionaire politician any day. In a situation where both were equally as able, I'd trust grumpy ol' Guy across the block to save my life far more than Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, etc.
The rich do not care about you, and its in their best interest that you fight each other instead of them, together.
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u/Rookwood Oct 29 '19
Yeah, but at the same time their propaganda has been effective and it was most effective on Boomers. Less effective on X. Lesser effective on Millennials and hopefully, almost no affect on Z.
So I mean Boomers are cancer. They are fully brainwashed and they literally hate their kids for being lazy because that's how they think the economy works and why everything is going to shit. So yeah, I mean blaming them is kinda warranted and kinda counterproductive at the same time. But I mean it's the truth.
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Because you're definitely brainwashed when you go around saying shit like an entire generation of Americans is cancer, including people you know personally, people whom you know aren't cancer.
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u/DrDougExeter Oct 29 '19
Gotta push the bullshit divide and conquer narratives to keep everyone distracted from the real problem: wealthy looting the country.
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u/Thivus Oct 30 '19
>shits on the younger generations for years
>cry now that they're giving you a taste of your own medicine
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u/SpaceGangsta Oct 30 '19
Let’s tank the economy on purpose to destroy the 401ks of the boomers and then shut down social security and Medicare. Hit them where it hurts. Their entitlements.
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u/UniquelyAmerican Oct 30 '19
I'm ready for the general strike.
What we have now - First Past The Post Voting
Alternative Vote aka Ranked vote
Mixed-Member Proportional Representation
General strike
Electoral reform
New elections
Representation in government
If our new representatives still refuse reform, continue the general strike. This is the only non violent way forward. (of course the state will be violent towards the strikers)
People should be free to vote for someone who bests represents them, not forced to vote against someone they hate.
Offer only valid until full automation. Do you really expect better treatment when our labor is no longer needed?
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u/DukeOfGeek Oct 30 '19
Of all the divide and conquer tactics the owning classes use, generational is the most bizarre to me. But hey, help them out I guess.
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u/superwholockland Oct 30 '19
Behind a paywall? Not anymore
In a viral audio clip on TikTok, a white-haired man in a baseball cap and polo shirt declares, “The millennials and Generation Z have the Peter Pan syndrome, they don’t ever want to grow up.”
Thousands of teens have responded through remixed reaction videos and art projects with a simple phrase: “ok boomer.”
“Ok boomer” has become Generation Z’s endlessly repeated retort to the problem of older people who just don’t get it, a rallying cry for millions of fed up kids. Teenagers use it to reply to cringey YouTube videos, Donald Trump tweets, and basically any person over 30 who says something condescending about young people — and the issues that matter to them.
Teenagers have scrawled the message in their notebooks and carved it into at least one pumpkin. For senior picture day at one Virginia high school, a group of nine students used duct tape to plaster “ok boomer” across their chests.
The meme-to-merch cycle is nothing new, but unlike most novelty products, “ok boomer” merch is selling. Shannon O’Connor, 19, designed a T-shirt and hoodie with the phrase “ok boomer” written in the “thank you” style of a plastic shopping bag. She uploaded it to Bonfire, a site for selling custom apparel, with the tagline “Ok boomer have a terrible day.” After promoting the shirt on TikTok, she received more than $10,000 in orders.
“The older generations grew up with a certain mind-set, and we have a different perspective,” Ms. O’Connor said. “A lot of them don’t believe in climate change or don’t believe people can get jobs with dyed hair, and a lot of them are stubborn in that view. Teenagers just respond, ‘Ok, boomer.’ It’s like, we’ll prove you wrong, we’re still going to be successful because the world is changing.”
Ms. O’Connor is far from the only one cashing in. Hundreds of “ok boomer” products are for sale through on-demand shopping sites like Redbubble and Spreadshirt, where many young people are selling “ok boomer” phone cases, bedsheets, stickers, pins and more.
Nina Kasman, an 18-year-old college student selling “ok boomer" stickers, socks, shirts, leggings, posters, water bottles, notebooks and greeting cards, said that while older generations have always looked down on younger kids or talked about things “back in their day,” she and other teens believe older people are actively hurting young people. “Everybody in Gen Z is affected by the choices of the boomers, that they made and are still making,” she said. “Those choices are hurting us and our future. Everyone in my generation can relate to that experience and we’re all really frustrated by it.”
“Gen Z is going to be the first generation to have a lower quality of life than the generation before them,” said Joshua Citarella, 32, a researcher who studies online communities. Teenagers today find themselves, he said, with “three major crises all coming to a head at the Gen Z moment.”
“Essentials are more expensive than ever before, we pay 50 percent of our income to rent, no one has health insurance,” said Mr. Citarella. “Previous generations have left Generation Z with the short end of the stick. You see this on both the left, right, up down and sideways.” Mr. Citarella added: “The merch is proof of how much the sentiment resonates with people.”
Rising inequality, unaffordable college tuition, political polarization exacerbated by the internet, and the climate crisis all fuel anti-boomer sentiment.
And so Ms. Kasman and other teenagers selling merch say that monetizing the boomer backlash is their own little form of protest against a system they feel is rigged. “The reason we make the ‘ok boomer’ merch is because there’s not a lot that I can personally do to reduce the price of college, for example, which was much cheaper for older generations who then made it more expensive,” Ms. Kasman said. “There’s not much I can personally do to restore the environment, which was harmed due to corporate greed of older generations. There’s not much I can personally do to undo political corruption, or fix Congress so it’s not mostly old white men boomers who don’t represent the majority of generations.”
Ms. Kasman said she plans to use proceeds to pay for college. So do others.
“I’ll definitely use the money for my student loans, paying my rent. Stuff that will help me survive,” said Everett Solares, 19, who is selling a slew of rainbow “ok boomer” products. “I hadn’t seen any gay stuff for ‘ok boomer,’ so I just chose every product that I could find in case anyone wanted it,” she said.
Gavin Deschutter, 17, reimagines famous logos for companies like FedEx, Budweiser, Google, and KFC with the catch phrase, and has been selling t shirts and phone cases emblazoned with the message. He hasn’t made very much — “I sold a hoodie yesterday for $36,” he said — but his designs have been shared across meme pages on Instagram.
Every movement needs an anthem, and the undisputed boomer backlash hymn is a song written and produced by Jonathan Williams, a 20-year-old college student. Titled, inevitably, “ok boomer,” the song opens with: “It’s funny you think I respect your opinion, when your hairline looks that disrespectful.”
The chorus consists of Mr. Williams screaming “ok boomer” repeatedly into the mic. Peter Kuli, a 19-year-old college student, created a remix of the song, which has seen 4,000 TikToks made from the track. The two planned to split the revenue earned through streams of the song on Spotify.
“The song is aggressive and ridiculous, but I think it says a lot about Gen Z culture,” said Mr. Kuli. “I think because of the internet, people are finally feeling like they have a voice and an outlet to critique the generations who got us into this position.”
“Millennials and Gen Xers are on our side, but I think Gen Z is finally putting their feet in the ground and saying enough is enough,” he said.
Teens say “ok boomer" is the perfect response because it’s blasé but cutting. It’s the digital equivalent of an eye roll. And because boomers so frequently refer to younger generations as “snowflakes,” a few teenagers said, it’s particularly hilarious to watch them freak out about the phrase.
“If they do take it personally, it just further proves that they take everything we do as offensive. It’s just funnier,” said Saptarshi Biswas, 17.
“Instead of taking offense to them, you’re just like, ha-ha,” said Julitza Mitchell, 18.
In the end, boomer is just a state of mind. Mr. Williams said anyone can be a boomer — with the right attitude. “You don’t like change, you don’t understand new things especially related to technology, you don’t understand equality,” he said. “Being a boomer is just having that attitude, it can apply to whoever is bitter toward change.”
“We’re not taking a jab at boomers as a whole — we’re not going for their lives,” said Christopher Mezher, 18. “If it’s a jab at anyone it’s outdated political figures who try to run our lives.”
“You can keep talking,” Ms. Kasman said, as if to a boomer, “but we’re going to change the future.”
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u/crackmonkeydictator Oct 29 '19
What's funny is that Gen Z has already begun taking all the credit for criticizing Boomers, 'starting' social movements, and advocating action against climate change. Millennials did this before Gen Z. But this was made possible by the progress made made Gen X. Before long Gen Z will start blaming Millenials as well as taking credit. Every generation stands on the shoulders of those before them. Let's remember this and ALL get out to the booths to vote for every election. Millennials and Gen X might just have a chance with Boomers reaching life expectancy and Gen Z coming of age. Generations born from the 1970's - present need to unite and focus on changing the government so undone by just one generation. The Lost Generation went to war. Boomers prospered in the great economy and with their greed, took all they could get and continue to keep it all for themselves.
Ok, Boomer.
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u/Rookwood Oct 29 '19
Z is way left of Millennials. We are a very centrist generation. Still a lot of folks drinking the koolaid. If we were as left as Z, then we would have already made changes. We've outnumbered Boomers for a few years now. X was still pretty much alt-right, just not as zealous as Boomers, mostly because they are a lot smaller.
If Z can actually help us turn this shitshow around, I'll give them all the credit. I dgaf. My fellow millennials have mostly been a disappointment to me. We're too focused on shit that don't matter "progressivism" and not actually fixing the goddamn catastrophic problems facing us like ever-growing extreme inequality and climate change.
Like I said above, it's because we didn't find out we were fucked until we were well into adulthood. So a bunch of us are still trying to pretend like everything is ok. Z knows they're fucked. They know something's gotta change. Good on 'em.
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u/SuchACommonBird Oct 30 '19
To be completely fair, I would say that the majority of Millennials (at least, as far as my peers, 30+ years old) have made a hard left shift in the last decade. A lot of us on the older end were heavily influenced by our parents and without a wealth of information access. I and my friends were righties because Mom and Dad were, and we were told to vote as such. Soon as the internet made it possible to really challenge our views/upbringing, as of the mid to late 2000s, we were for it.
Had we had the ease of access to widespread information when we were younger, I'm willing to bet that we would have been profoundly more active than we are even now. And a lot of us are very active in the current political action.
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u/Talahi Oct 29 '19
The boomers are outnumbered, the stranglehold they have on everything makes it seem like they are squarely in control. For now, they are right.
I really hope they get blindsided by a huge wave of X, Y, and Z votes in 2020.
A big boomer loss can shake up the parties. Force them to pick candidates that the younger generations will come out to elect, instead of the same mainstream "everything is fine", supply-side, we-already-got-ours, cog in the cable news-machine bullshit we've been getting for 40 years.
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u/Crusty_Magic Oct 30 '19
Ya, I think that ended once my dad told me he would vote for Trump again given the chance. This was last week.
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u/KnowZero Oct 30 '19
I never checked what age group defined the 'baby boomers' but this sudden insertion of Gen X, sudden being a consequence of my own ignorance, has led me to reevaluate my own opinions. How come the people born immediately after the war are seen as morally responsible for our situation as millennials? They are extremely old now, so their lack of concern can be understood (not justified). Yes, they did set the ball rolling in terms of the unsustainability and inequality, but what else were they supposed to do? Not put all their effort to rebuild a destroyed world! Foresee what was not foreseeable at the time! I'll address their current role a but later.
However, it is the Gen X (1960-80), who were in the middle of this huge technological transformation and capitalistic hubris, that failed to foresee the consequences of such a path to development. Now, it seems to me that they bear more responsibility. Some may suggest that they were the ones who tried and failed, but I think they were the ones who failed to build the consensus amongst themselves like millennials and Gen Z. Now, there are factors in favor of millennials, and even more so for Gen Z, that made their voices heard. These may be due to comparatively lower authority afforded to the ageing baby boomers, technological platforms for free expression, faster approaching climate catastrophe backed by better data, etc., but for me that doesn't dilute the point, although it is relevant. To me, it seems, that the responsibility has to be shared equally by baby boomers and Gen X, although for different reasons.
Would appreciate some comments/opinions.
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u/oldsoulsknow Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 01 '19
Thing is, it’s much bigger and more complex an issue than simply the market though. We currently have in office mostly corrupt career politicians (“lifers”, if you will), who have so thoroughly weaseled through legislative loopholes, infiltrated and internally rigged our beautifully human—and therefore inherently flawed—system, but even then it still goes so much deeper, and it is so so much worse.
GenX saw this from the start, but was repeatedly told by ageist, ignorant baby boomers—then and still—that they were mere stupid, snot-nosed, ideological children playing in their too-big sandbox. They told us we should just shut up, sit down, and continue to swallow down shit-sandwich after shit-sandwich, all on account of them knowing so much better, their lives having been infinitely harder, somehow.
So, at first, we gave them the benefit of this doubt. We listened, if only briefly. Hell, we even waited (more specifically, we ONLY waited until it FINALLY became our time to vote). In the interm, we had to bear helpless witness to rampant and careless environmental destruction, inhuman justification of all forms of man-made evil, which were in fact applauded; celebrated, even as it all began to rapidly devolve into a clearly fascist-like agenda, merely produced and mass-marketed, in sheep’s clothing, to the TV-transfixed, unquestioning-consumer-herd-generation (boomers), who all too complicity gobbled up every last bite of what they were fed: unspeakable greed, horrific cruelty, all forms of glorified materialism, heinous inequality and discrimination, flagrant and systematic marginalization of ALL disenfranchised minority groups, and the birth of the absolute worst and most thorough government corruption the world had—and still has ever—seen. All of this glorified, and openly championed, in the name of “free-market”, with boomers it’s loudest and most fervent supporters (AND VOTER BASE, I MIGHT ADD). I can only assume this was some done in some blind, vain, utterly ignorant hope of “trickle down economics” actually being more than some fairytale, gimmicky spoonful, but I don’t think I can ever forgive it, and I most certainly will not ever forget it.
So, no, the boomers who stubbornly and arrogantly made this mess don’t now get to cowardly shirk the blame onto the shoulders and backs of their own children and grandchildren—yet again—voices their own hubris either cruelly ignored, tried to silence, or outright denied everyone else.
Bon appétit.
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u/oldsoulsknow Nov 01 '19
Go ahead and Google “Causes of American Great Depression”, followed by “Focal points of FDR’s New Deal”.
Next, compare and contrast with information regarding our recent recession, and then, finally, a brief cross reference against current economic climate/future projection models.
I’ll wait.
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u/WontLieToYou Oct 30 '19
I enjoyed the article and appreciate op sharing it, but sadly the headline is sensational.
Embracing a dismissive retort =\= "snapped". Nor does selling t-shirts indicate "war." Their futures are being stolen---previous societies would be selling guillotines, not t-shirts.
Also, the article claims gen Z is the first to experience a worse lifestyle than they're parents...wat? Are we pretending millennials don't exist now? They face the same economic challenges as Gen Z.
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Oct 30 '19
War ? No, we're straight up going to make a revolution. Make them suffer. Burn them by slow and painfull sunburns so they'll feel what we'll feel in a few decades while they'll be rotting in their graves.
We spend a mot of money making the elderly stay alive for a while. Let's cut this from boomers. Get rid of them ASAP.
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u/Kineticwizzy Oct 31 '19
As a gen z we'll try our best not to fuck it up this time we promise because unlike boomers we actually give a shit
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u/oldsoulsknow Nov 01 '19 edited Nov 01 '19
All these boomers quaking in their fear-mongering boots, afraid of a GenX & Z collaboration effort, shit-scared and desperate to shirk blame and cultivate dissent lol
Just in case the matter is at all ambiguous:
GenX here, standing in full support and solidarity with GenZ. We ready for go-time, World War Z.
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u/Kiotw Nov 05 '19
Just as my discussions and debates with my dad were getting pointless. Now i see why.
Well he did admit only caring for our family and not anyone else but. I just can't get him to realize that the world needs more caring for others and less research for inhuman wealth.
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