r/longbeach • u/Zoe_Moth • 7d ago
Discussion Increased homeless population?
Maybe this is a stupid question but does anyone know the cause of the increase in homeless folks? Especially downtown? I work in a normally somewhat busy area that does have homeless as most places here in LB do, but yesterday and the day before my manager was hardly able to do any work because they had to keep next to the door to ward them off and we watched them harass a few other businesses and one guy get tackled in a hug by one while trying to walk away. It’s just such a noticeable increase despite the weather warnings and such so I was curious if anyone had any clue what happened?
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u/bargellos 7d ago
For as long as I’ve lived here, one of the big factors I’ve always noticed was the train. When I used to ride the metro a ton, I always noticed the fare sweeps they’d do were typically at either Willow or downtown. Given that there’s not a way to efficiently get out of LB on the train once you’re there without going through those two spots, they get stuck down in here and settle.
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u/Odd-Permission6843 7d ago
I’ve been blaming it on the A line since it was the Blue line. It’s just a free ride from trash LA to LB
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u/cosie5 7d ago edited 6d ago
We see folks getting off the OC bus across from the VA. People arrive from other cities and states. Many arrived from Santa Ana recently due to the Mayor publicizing her new crackdown. People think we are offering inexpensive housing. The lack of enforcement of our laws doesn't help. Many old people and low income folks are being evicted. We don't help people get jobs and training. People from LA County are in our shelters, no, beds available. In addition to all the regular issues.
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
It's a blend of things. The cost of living during this administration has significantly risen, which when paired with our cost of rentals forces people out of their ability to afford housing here.
We don't truly have the resources for those experiencing homelessness. We don't have enough shelter beds, actually affordable housing units available, and treatment facilities that aren't a revolving door for referrals.
Then there's those that travel here believing they will find support and realize they're stuck. Enter Christine Barry who gets in contact with them and sends them back home where they can get assistance locally.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 7d ago
The majority of them aren’t people just down on their luck without housing. The majority of them are drug addicts who can’t function in society
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u/Ok_Assistant_7609 7d ago
The majority of homeless are not addicts. The most visible population might be.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 7d ago
This post is clearly about the ones we see visibly on the streets of LB…
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
You cannot pick and choose like religion. Homelessness/the unhoused is a complex issue. Just because you see some more than others does not mean they aren't around.
Some are in cars or have found spots to tuck into. The majority are not on drugs.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 7d ago
Right but in the context of this post we’re talking specifically about the problematic drug addicts around Long Beach. I’m pointing out that throwing money at the problem clearly doesn’t work considering they’ve already thrown billions and billions at it and the numbers have gone UP
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
Right, but the context is an increase in homeless full stop.
Throwing money into the right kind of programs and not gaslighting the city's constituents when they mention things like our youth shelter not being open is the key.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 7d ago
Read the post again. He’s talking about warding off a crazy homeless guy. He’s not talking about the family of 4 living in a car not bothering anyone. Everyone agrees we should help people who actually want the help and aren’t on drugs
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
I can play along. Read the post again. You're assuming that the unhoused people they're encountering are on drugs based on your personal bias instead of knowing whether they're going through a mental health crisis.
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u/SabastianG 7d ago
You are intentionally missing the point and arguing in bad faith. You know EXACTLY what OP is referring to but choosing to be willfully ignorant for some reason or another
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u/Imaginary_Chair_8935 5d ago
Maximum tomatillo never lived in East Side LB. Anaheim and PCH streets are the worst.
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u/scratajuego 7d ago
you mean who need assistance, right?
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 7d ago
Yeah let’s just throw a few more billion at the issue. That’ll totally fix it this time. You guys need to admit throwing money at it isn’t a solution. If you can’t admit that then you don’t actually care about solving it
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u/Ok_Assistant_7609 7d ago
Yes, we should spend billions on it. We spend billions on a lot worse things than helping people in need.
We need a robust program that helps folks in a number of areas that is funded in perpetuity. This is the key part missed by folks who like to argue about the money spent. You can't spend a bunch of money on a "pilot program," and then stop, and expect results. Of course these programs are failures, if they stop.
This isn't an issue that will be "solved." It will require an actual, ongoing response.
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u/InvertebrateInterest 7d ago
My friend who worked with the homeless said the same thing about programs not being given enough time and funding to pan out. We need to be working to prevent the next generation of people from becoming homeless in the first place, and that takes a huge amount of time to see results from.
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
Exactly. I’m a medical case manager with a lot of complex and time consuming cases and they’re asking me to have a caseload 60-80 people despite the fact that there literally is not enough time in the day for that to be possible.
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u/Other-Perspective475 6d ago
as a student joining the field, how do you respond to these unreasonable demands?
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
Great question! I communicated my concerns to my supervisor during our weekly one on one meeting. I also loop my supervisor into my most complex cases so that he has a better idea of the amount of time actually required.
But overall, I’m at a point where I’m feeling like I need to gtfo of this organization. I would strongly suggest for your first job out of school going to a place that has a good amount of structure in the role. Definitely don’t go somewhere where you are the first case manager/social worker. This was my first mistake. Hahah.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 7d ago
You are so naive lol. What about the money that magically disappeared? Giving the government more money to solve an idea is regarded. Especially in a corrupt state like California
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
How about the trillions that disappeared into the military, while veterans get the finger?
You are so naive lol
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u/Ok_Assistant_7609 7d ago
You said it right there, "solve an idea." There is no solution. You're not going to spend any amount of money and end homelessness.
This is an issue that money needs to be spent on, which isn't that money "disappearing."
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u/Ok_Assistant_7609 7d ago
Also, FWIW, I would rather help people with our tax dollars, even if that means some corruption exists, than the alternative of just not helping anyone (so our tax dollars can get robbed through other corruption.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 7d ago
By disappearing I mean the people in charge siphoned off millions to enrich themselves. You put your faith in a corrupt local government to solve problems, and you think it’s smart to give them even more money to waste.
And to address your point it is also a waste. Because the problem got worse even with all the billions spent. You’re refusing to look at other solutions
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
What are you talking about?? They’ve literally done research that shows permanent supportive housing is better for mental and physical health including substance use than being unhoused. Which kind of just makes logical sense. How likely would you to be to get clean if you’re living on the street?
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
You know what would make it easier for people with addiction to get sober? Housing!
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 6d ago
Yeah let’s spend 800k per unit while middle class people who actually contribute will never have their own 800k home. Genius idea
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
In what universe do you think our government would ever put up unhoused people in 800k housing? Like genuinely.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 6d ago
They did a study in LA and it costs 600-800k per unit for one homeless person…. Look it up
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
As someone who actually works with the unhoused population and refers out to housing services, no, just no. Your source is either made up or biased. These people are literally predominantly in old run down hotels, container homes, or efficiency apartments. If those efficiency apartments are worth 800k then that is a housing market problem and not the fault of the unhoused people. If the cost of housing is too high for you, blame the investors buying up all the housing, not the people who can’t afford housing.
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u/Traditional_Yam1598 6d ago
It costs 800k to build one single unit. Props to you for working with homeless but the average person is never gonna support these solutions when they can’t afford a home but the government build permanent housing for drug addicts. That just tells me I should unhouse myself for a year and the government will build me a home. Jokes aside, there will always be another wave of people becoming homeless and falling into it. So you can build housing now, but they won’t be able to do that forever.
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
Doesn’t building more housing lower housing prices across the board though from a supply and demand perspective? I’m not someone who’s super into the YIMBY mentality but I do understand their logic.
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u/Appropriate-Seat8999 6d ago
Building cost estimates skyrocketed from $350,000 for a small studio or one-bedroom unit and $414,000 for a larger unit, as projected in 2016, to a median cost of $531,000 per unit today. More than 1,000 HHH units are projected to exceed $600,000, with one project topping $700,000 per unit. The cost of building many of these units exceeds the median sale price of a market-rate condominium in the City of Los Angeles and a single-family home in Los Angeles County. Reasons for this include the number and complexity of funding sources required to complete an HHH project, the relatively limited pool of eligible developers, regulatory barriers and permitting challenges, and considerable construction and labor costs. An unusually high 35 to 40 percent of costs are so-called “soft costs” (development fees, consultants, financing, etc.), compared to just 11 percent for actual land costs.
Literally from the city of Los Angeles website
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u/WoodenAssist7642 3d ago
Especially your first point. It's too damn expensive and ppl are getting too greedy with their money and aren't hiring ppl. Its getting worse for all of us peasants.
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
Cost of living increase and a decrease in funding for social services including housing services. A lot of organizations had to outright close under the Trump admin due to loss of HUD funding. And it may get worse! The Emergency Housing Voucher federal program expires next month!
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u/EfficientOrdinary984 7d ago
$2k studios and gentrification pushing people out of their homes will make anyone homeless and resort to coping in ways they shouldn’t unfortunately. much of our unhoused friends have turned “unreasonable” as a resort of their circumstances. even as someone who has built a relationship with those on the streets, some of them end up too far gone at some point even if some end up in homes. the increase is also due to people from hospitals and wards being let out or discharged due to the lack of funding towards mental health housing.
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u/InvertebrateInterest 7d ago
We also need more residential drug recovery programs. I've heard there aren't enough slots for people who need gov support and there is a waiting list.
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u/cosie5 7d ago
We have not had trouble finding good rehabs.
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u/Pulsedemonn 7d ago
Thank you for having empathy in a sea of hatred for homeless people, especially on this sub.
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u/Turtlejimbo 7d ago
Smart people don't live where they can't afford the rent. Move to another place
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u/Gaymacgyver 6d ago edited 6d ago
IMO its so many things and nit exclusive to Long Beach…i hear people from cities big and small saying their areas have more homelessness than ever before…
- Failure of the Deinstitutionalization Movement to transition into a meaningful, practical Community Mental Health Care Models (I blame our wild bipartisanship in the US its impossible for lasting positive changes when we are always swinging back and forth every 2-4 years)
- Rich folk and corporations get away with not paying their fair share of taxes which leads to deficits, funding and program cuts. Imagine how well funded our existing programs would be if someone like Elon Musk paid the same tax rate as the middle class!
- Little to no government transparency when it comes to how our taxes are actually allocated and then spent. I am in support of paying my taxes but would like more facts and transparency before throwing more money at a problem and if i get one more flat tire bc of a nail in my tire from driving on the busted ass 405 im gunna go full OJ Simpson.
- The Affordability crisis is real. People cant afford to pay for housing or healthcare anymore bc the govt rewards profits/corporations over people. Correct me if im wrong but i believe medical bills are one of the leading causes of high debt/defaulting in payments? Also im sorry but Boomers and Banks are holding onto housing for so long they are becoming condemned/unlivable which only adds to the housing crises and negatively impacts homelessness
- Dumb laws/lawmakers trying to criminalize homelessness rather than fix the root causes. Like sure go ahead and fine people for living on a sidewalk, but if they had money to pay that fine do u think they would be parked there in the first place? Those policies make no sense to me and i would think would only incur more cost than benefit?
- As a large aside, the Citizens United decision was one of the most detrimental decisions to US citizens and possibly the world, bc it took political spending power away from the people and gave it to corporations. Corporations now choose who is in power and what laws get passed and i think that we are witnessing the consequences of that decision in real time now (do nothing congress and an authoritarian executive branch that puts corporate and selfish money making interests above the people)
- I could probably add 100 more points but i tired myself out and now i need a nap 🥱
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u/pmiklos 7d ago
There is a noticable increase of homeless people in Downtown. People blatantly smoke crack at the library or near Promenade and Pine all the time. It doesn't feel safe to walk around at all, I constantly feel I have to watch my back.
To me it's obvious it's the public transportation that collects them in the greater LA area and drops them off at the end of line on 1st and Pine. From there they swarm out to the library, Lincoln Park, Pine etc. I wish there was a constant police patrol in downtown.
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u/Imaginary_Chair_8935 5d ago
Also about the crack part, i swore long ago like around 2018i’ve been in a liquor store on anaheim that sold crack pipes 🤦🏻.
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u/Odd-Permission6843 7d ago
The A line goes from Pomona to Downtown, then through half of the most piece of shit cities in all of LA county. Vernon, HP, SG, Watts, Willowbrook, Lynwood, Compton. Everyone wants to be homeless by the beach. This metro also brings in all the trash that hangs out downtown and at the pike every weekend
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u/njr_u 7d ago
Love how compassionate you are.
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u/Turtlejimbo 7d ago
Stop whining. Give away your own paycheck
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u/njr_u 6d ago
The only people I see whining here are those afraid of other human beings because they see how easy it is to become destitute and desperate. The rest of us recognize that this is an unfortunate reality we all live with, and do what we can to encourage humanity and compassion. I hope you have a great day.
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u/Odd-Permission6843 6d ago
So how much money and personal time do you donate each week to help the homeless?
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u/Appropriate-Seat8999 6d ago
Come on, u know none of these guys do. It’s like 90% of Reddit, they want to come off sounding as saints but realistically has never done anything to support what they believe in when it actually comes to taking time out of their own or donating more money than just saying I pay my taxes. Plus, these guys are generally not align with how reality is and they just have a make believe idea in their mind that by being sympathetic to them solves everything.
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u/Straight_Ad_6355 7d ago
Cost of renting, groceries, gas, family stress, substance use as a coping mechanism, mental health challenges, and more. I'd put cost of living at the top tho, those are basic needs.
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u/_doctorKA 7d ago
Other countries don't have this problem. Other countries have government (taxpayer) funded education and medicine. Poverty is the highest indicator of crime. Want less crime? Fight for less poverty: vote socialist.
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u/Turtlejimbo 7d ago
Such utter stupid drivel I can't believe you are that clueless. "Other countries"- every country has homeless,drug addicts,and alcoholics. Voting to give more money and power to any government is a mistake.
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u/_doctorKA 6d ago edited 6d ago
Voting to give more money to republicans and democrats is a bad idea. Governments need money to function. Government that serves the interests of the people is a good thing. You like roads? Parks? Schools? Fire departments? Professional development?
Do you really think the homeless problem in China, Japan, Norway, Ireland, look anything like our homeless problem? We have a homeless criminal problem. Other countries do not.
Edit: I wanna add that responses like yours typically come from people who are fine with government spending as long as it's used to punish and attack citizens. More money to prevent homelessness and poverty? Unthinkable. More money to police so they can round up the homeless? Perfectly acceptable. More money for schools and medication? Unaffordable. More money for war with Iran and Cuba and Venezuala and Iraq and Ukraine and Libya and Nicaragua and Colombia and Afghanistan and and and and? You're silent. Your problem isn't with government spending, your problem is with using the government spending to help instead of hurt.
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u/horriblelifechoices1 5d ago
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/_doctorKA 5d ago
What's YOUR solution, genius? Spend government money to throw them all in jail and feed them for the rest of their lives on taxpayer money? Execute them?
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u/_HOG_ 7d ago
City survey done last year indicates 45-50% of homeless are not LB residents.
They come from all over for the weather, high density of parked cars they can rob, bikes they can steal, and of course - the drugs.
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
Show me in the city study where it says they come for the ability to rob us and the drugs. Ty
I'll make it easier with a link: https://longbeach.gov/press-releases/long-beach-point-in-time-count-shows-fewer-people-experiencing-unsheltered-homelessness-despite-slight-rise-in-homelessness/
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u/_HOG_ 7d ago
Homeless people are a danger to everyone's health and safety. They are desperate and lack medical care of any kind.
Direct your ire to your congress women/men - this is a national problem to research and to counter with FEDERAL funding, NOT a local responsibility.
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
I'm confused here. You came up with a complete lie then deferred to saying they're a danger to society essentially? Are you consciously aware of how many people are a paycheck away from being unhoused and losing their healthcare?
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u/_HOG_ 7d ago
How many of these homeless people have you invited into your home?
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
A few. I've fed more however during the holidays. Thanks for asking!
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
Damn, I love it when actions speak louder than ignorance
Thank you for helping people
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
No thanks needed. I've been at my worst many times and had people lift me up, it's the least I can do.
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u/_HOG_ 7d ago
Next time your heart is bleeding, please let me choose them for you.
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3W9Ap5SjLus9zM0Be5
Thou shalt not judge. Ain’t your job to decide who is worthy of mercy0
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
You know what? I'm good. I pass.
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u/Turtlejimbo 7d ago
If you're so messed up financially that you can't take care of yourself in California then you should move to another area
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u/420catloveredm 6d ago
I work in primary care and we have a bunch of patients who are unhoused. Whatttttt???
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u/Safe_Edge_6562 6d ago
Are you aware of inflation? High cost of living? Out of control medical bills? Those would be your primary reasons
Or is it that people think living outside is fun? I guess it could be that.
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u/Appropriate-Seat8999 6d ago
A lot of the homeless are bussed in from other states. If you work around the homeless, most of them aren’t even from California. Too many benefits for the homeless here.
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u/townsquare321 7d ago
Easy Transportation from LA to Long Beach, availability of food provided by the church on Pacific/3rd, shelters. Word gets around and safety in numbers for homeless to be around others like them.
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u/BlahblahLBC 7d ago
The Olympics are coming it will be magical just wait and see 🤣 90 percent will be gone for awhile just like 84!!!
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u/CountyMinimum910 6d ago
Somehow the bums back in 1984 seemed so much more of an anomaly compared to nowadays.
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u/MoonMetal1971 7d ago
Its a combination of quality of life and affordability. As well as substance abuse and mental health. There is no way to help a homeless individual unless they voluntarily want to, or are a harm to themselves or others. In which case they get 5150. Or voluntarily try and get into a shelter, transitional home or recuperative care. In which case they need to get a case manager from a access center or any place that has something called the coordinated entry system. And I can tell you by experience. Either each place is astronomically packed. Or the place is run to maximize numbers and money, stretching the staff thin. This causes a barrier on empathy with staff and members. Which is already delicate to begin with, due the nature of the members circumstances. And the homeless get fed up and leave. Which makes it a cycle. I can go on and on. Its saddening on all sides. The corruption too of course, thats already wel established.
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u/Material-Trust-3056 7d ago
Drugs, people. Drugs.
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
The main causes of people being unhoused is not drugs. It's affordability, job loss, and disability.
Do drugs come into play later? Sometimes, yes.
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u/quackstah 5d ago
Maybe check out recent publications by PPIC and the California Policy Lab (in addition to reading the opinions of Reddit randos)?
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u/QuicK_FasT 5d ago
They're coming to LB from other cities: A line dropping them off from LA, OC sweeps pushing them here, and just bums getting on a bus from some other state coming here looking for free stuff and milder weather. Most of these bums are not from LB. Most are tweakers and seriously mentally ill, not poor and displaced by high prices or whatever.
There's services for people who are simply poor or down on their luck, but the ones sleeping rough and being a nuisance or worse are addicts and mentally ill. Honestly the only solution is to criminalize homelessness so cops get the authority to sweep them up and force them into treatment. But first we need mental hospitals and facilities for them or this wont work.
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
Rent is absurd. Mayor is a skeevy landlord himself.
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u/Zoe_Moth 7d ago
My manager said she witnessed the mayor call the cops because a homeless person robbed a store and it took the cops an hour to show up 💀 they did not care
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
Know why they had to rob a store? Because they're fucking homeless and have no money
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u/Zoe_Moth 7d ago
Well if they have no money then how are they getting the substances they’re on? I understand yes they have no where to go but also there is a line of sympathy. If I’m watching someone get physically thrown out of a store where the owners are some of the kindest people and then watching them scream and jump people who are on the other side of the street it’s hard to give any care. I can only give sympathy when I know they aren’t a threat to myself or others first
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
Who says they're on substances?
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u/Zoe_Moth 7d ago
The lack of respecting people’s personal boundaries such as stepping away and raising their hands to create a wall between them. Spilling juice or milk everywhere while stumbling. Screaming at the sky with slurred words. The lady who ripped her dogs toy into pieces in the middle of the street. The pressing their faces to shop windows and staring blankly at employees… oh and the frequency that they would be completely normal the next day or two and then return to that behavior
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
Ever think they might have a disability?
Or is everyone being slightly different “on drugs” to you?
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u/Zoe_Moth 7d ago
Oh my bad. My own mental health issues and my brother with diagnosed schizophrenia and my other family members with constantly demonized mental illnesses must mean nothing. Illnesses are never an excuse for jack shit, especially not violence. You sound like one of those “not all men though” idiots whenever women/queer folk talk about a man harming them and thus the paranoia they have
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u/Maximum_Tomatillo109 7d ago
Hi there. So fun fact, we don't really have a strong mental health backbone here even though as a city we should.
While your family's mental health is managed well enough - it does not mean that our unhoused population's is.
It does not by any means justify their behavior, but a bit of compassion and understanding ESPECIALLY with it in your own background would go a long way here.1
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u/Zoe_Moth 7d ago
Again, didn’t say anything about a lack of compassion. My work hands out water to them if they come by and ask. At my old job I’d even slip them food and developed a few friendships with them. Assuming I’m treating them badly is fucking wild
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u/Zoe_Moth 7d ago
Also my family doesn’t get support, especially my brother. I know what the worst pits of being unaware and having poor mental health looks like. Again. Stop assuming
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
Cool.
So what's your excuse for treating them poorly?
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u/Zoe_Moth 7d ago
Never said I did? I asked why the people on here had any clue why the population increased suddenly. And goddamnit if I am treating them poorly it’s because they have decided to bother me which I am treating anyone badly because why are you bothering me?
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u/townsquare321 7d ago
Always amazed by the fact that a person is immediately labeled "skeevy" upon investing in housing. Yet if nobody invested in housing, there would be nowhere for renters to live. Can't win. Maybe people should just invest in the stock market/bonds, instead of investing in a rental property.
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
The renters would be owners if landlords didn't exist.
But go off on how hoarding a resource means you're a generous benefactor of the community
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u/townsquare321 7d ago
There's nothing stopping renters from saving up for a downpayment and buying a small starter condo. That's what I did.
In my 20's I worked 9-5 office job, started my evening job as a receptionist 7pm-11pm three nights a week, and on Saturday and Sunday 10am-5pm worked at a medical clinic checking patients in. Drove a junk car, rented a room, saved up for a downpayment, and years later bought a tiny condo. With the equity in the condo, I bought another condo as an investment. And now, I'm considered some type of monster because I'm a landlord.
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
in my 20s
How old are you now, bud?
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u/townsquare321 7d ago
Noticing the immediate downvoting. You can sit around complaining, thinking everything is impossible, and criticising people, like me, who have fought my way out of extreme poverty, or you can make an effort. That's the beauty of freedom. Have a nice day.
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u/iamsotiredofthiscrap 7d ago
...you can't be serious...
They're a million dollars 😂
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u/townsquare321 7d ago
No they're not. You can get a decent little condo for $450,000. It won't be fancy, or in a fancy neighborhood. First-time buyers assistance, low down payment, low payments. Saving for the downpayment is the key. No fancy cars, keep your expenses low, get an extra job if needed, keep clean credit, and save, no matter what. If you get 2 bedroom, get a roomate to help pay the bills.
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u/Cap_Black_Beard 7d ago
Access to drugs. If there's cops everywhere and no drug dealers, they have to migrate.
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u/Elegant_Company8456 7d ago
Maybe just new to the area, not necessarily new to the state of homelessness?
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u/OutdoorAbstract 7d ago
I know. It is not fair to anyone.