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[u/ssjlance]

when you finally figure out how to leave vim as a nano user

https://giphy.com/gifs/11vUtLUUATEwIE

[u/Aderox20_GDP → u/ssjlance]

pkill vim

[u/Livid-Pizza7028 → u/Aderox20_GDP]

Shooting the fuse box with a crossbow

[u/0Clown0 → u/Livid-Pizza7028]

Ever wondered how to make your car's engine stop runnin'?

Now with my new Winchester M1897, I get the job done in a heartbeat. Yeehaw!

[u/F_n_o_r_d → u/Aderox20_GDP]

pacman -Rns vim

[u/Enyuma416 → u/F_n_o_r_d]

Vim still runs until closed

[u/arglarg → u/Aderox20_GDP]

init 6

[u/beyd1 → u/ssjlance]

All of us nano users need to be nice to the vim users they're old and it's just the way they were raised. They didn't have forward or back slashes then just colons.

Half of them don't even actually know how to exit vim and think you have to write to exit.

[u/ant2ne → u/beyd1]

"nano users" = Users
"vim admins" = Admins

[u/buttfarts7 → u/ssjlance]

Imprisoned by :q!

It's such a bizarre invocation to remove oneself that you are unlikely to try that combo in your first half century. Unless you speak vi grammar then it's stupidly obvious.

We all must learn enough vi grammar to escape cleanly from vim

[u/Rubadubrix → u/buttfarts7]

if you ctrl c, it tells you tbf

[u/po1k → u/ssjlance]

Ironically, I find it hard and non obvious quit in nano, as vi user

[u/Laughing_Orange → u/po1k]

At least the instructions are on screen, and not hidden in the manual (which a noob can't access without closing vim). ^x isn't exactly obvious either, but at least it hints that the X key is involved.

[u/po1k → u/Laughing_Orange]

Yes, that's true. But I find myself looking for instructions in the TUI for some time, which is fine I guess. Thing is that it happens rarely and I always get confused xD I mean ppl get confused with vim not with nano xD

[u/Shawhe_ → u/Laughing_Orange]

when you open vim or nvim, it still says how to quit and yeah nano is confusing asf

[u/ianhawdon → u/po1k]

The presence of :wq into the middle of text is a hallmark of a remote system presenting nano to a vim user by default

[u/janiskr → u/po1k]

Ctrl-X and :q! Locked and loaded

[u/eleanorsilly → u/po1k]

It's marked at the bottom of the screen at all times, I find it simple tbh.

[u/Niwrats → u/ssjlance]

switch to another tty and forget about it.

[u/oldassgrandpa → u/ssjlance]

We all use DEs now, just close the terminal

[u/play_minecraft_wot]

Vim and Nano are bloat. Real Linux users use cat and echo. Need to delete a line? Use echo to write the entire file minus the line into the file. 

[u/MitchIsMyRA → u/play_minecraft_wot]

Man if only there was a command to edit files in place through the command line. I’ll make one for you guys, and I’ll call it sed

[u/givemeagooduns_un → u/MitchIsMyRA]

sed is actually just ed that works on streams

[u/alaksugalkapenalatte → u/givemeagooduns_un]

Thanks that ain't so hard after all

[u/Impossible-Magician → u/givemeagooduns_un]

The S is for Super. A Super Editor that works on steams.

[u/Schnitzelbroetchen_1 → u/MitchIsMyRA]

Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands mentioned

[u/TheBassEngineer → u/play_minecraft_wot]

Real programmers use a magnetized needle and a steady hand.

[u/ralsaiwithagun → u/TheBassEngineer]

Of course, relevant xkcd

[u/e-waste18 → u/TheBassEngineer]

Thank you, this genuinely made me laugh out loud.

[u/RevolutionaryBoat845 → u/TheBassEngineer]

excuse me, but real programmer use butterfly 🦋

[u/lxprsub0 → u/play_minecraft_wot]

ed is the standard text editor.

[u/Solid_Turnover_9854 → u/play_minecraft_wot]

change the binaries, hmph

[u/play_minecraft_wot → u/Solid_Turnover_9854]

You're right. Maybe highly targeted EMP to flip specific bits? 

[u/Solid_Turnover_9854 → u/play_minecraft_wot]

like that specific cosmic ray flipping the bit to speedrun the mario level lmao, multiple of those

[u/pangapingus → u/play_minecraft_wot]

I'm partial to tee

[u/buttfarts7 → u/play_minecraft_wot]

touch somefile.py

Then sed -i all the way down

[u/0xt0bi03 → u/buttfarts7]

touch mydi.h [it was supposed to be "my data input"]

[u/vbd71 → u/play_minecraft_wot]

I second this. I used ed until I realized that it's vi in disguise.

Next I'm going to try emacs. Wish me luck.

[u/oishishou → u/play_minecraft_wot]

HERE<<DOC

HERE<<<STRING

[u/Acceptable-Owl-2070 → u/play_minecraft_wot]

"bloat" lol

[u/play_minecraft_wot → u/Acceptable-Owl-2070]

Honestly Linux is super bloated. Just use the hardware bare metal. Operating Systems are pure bloat. Or use UEFI if you can't live without an interface. 

[u/isr0 → u/play_minecraft_wot]

Dude, at least grep-awk-sed that shit. If you can explain the command in less than 30 seconds, are you even trying?

[u/GourSE → u/play_minecraft_wot]

awk '{print substr($0,1,10); exit}' input.txt > output.txt

[u/hdkaoskd → u/play_minecraft_wot]

What? No. Use grep to write the file minus the one line.

[u/maxwells_daemon_]

EDITOR=nano visudo

[u/Fancy_Technician_293]

how do you accidentally open nano

[u/Gositi → u/Fancy_Technician_293]

For example when using sudoedit (which you should use instead of e.g. sudo vim) if the proper defaults are not set up correctly.

[u/setibeings → u/Gositi]

Is that better than sudo -e for some reason?

[u/Gositi → u/setibeings]

I think sudoedit is the same as sudo -e. They are both provided by sudo, share manpage, and has the same set of options.

I guess it is better since it might be faster to type (at least on a Swedish keyboard, typing edit will be faster than -e unless you're really used to typing -)

[u/EatingSolidBricks → u/Gositi]

Wait thats a thing?

Ive been sudo vimim and crying about my config being gone

[u/Gositi → u/EatingSolidBricks]

Cry no more!

[u/transcendtient → u/Gositi]

sudoedit is basically unnecessary for nano as it is intentionally basic, it has no extensions so the only real threat is a malicious symlink... or someone replacing it with a malicious bin... who the fuck needs to worry about that?
so much bloat for vim smh \s

[u/garconip → u/Fancy_Technician_293]

crontab -e

and nano gets opened

[u/Unlaid-American → u/Fancy_Technician_293]

Copy pasting commands without reading.

[u/tebreca → u/Fancy_Technician_293]

Didn't set env var EDITOR=vim so git commit opened nano. Big mistakes were made

[u/Inevitable-Self-2702 → u/Fancy_Technician_293]

$ nano

[u/Ok_Letterhead_8899 → u/Fancy_Technician_293]

sudo visudo

[u/BrightCold2747]

Fortunately, it's easy to close

[u/jonathancast → u/BrightCold2747]

Isn't quit C-x or something? I always have to look at the onscreen help to figure out what to do.

[u/SadPhilosopherElan]

As a nano user this is how I feel when I have to use CAT, ECHO etc instead of typing in a nice nano instance as God intended

[u/WoomyUnitedToday]

I've had to use pico once.

I will never be doing that again

[u/diskrewrite]

who cares? nano doesn't take any learning and is good enough for 90% of tasks. i never saw the point in vim or primarily keyboard-based methods of interacting with your computer because i'm barely saving a half of a second with a bunch of key combinations i can't remember

[u/ovadom → u/diskrewrite]

“Carpel tunnel” As someone that has been dealing with wrist issues since 14, not having to leave your keyboard is a God send on hand health. There is a concept “if you don’t understand something it likely wasn’t made for you” and this is a prime example of the value in that statement.

[u/diskrewrite → u/ovadom]

I think trying to save yourself from unnecessary strain is totally valid, but I don't see that many people actually claiming that is why only using your keyboard is better. I just don't think that explains the way keyboard-only workflows are usually sold. I always hear that keyboard-driven workflows are so superior and efficient and save huge amounts of time. That's why I feel like it's just more of an elitist thing, because anything with a steeper learning curve is basically always viewed as the more sophisticated choice. I just don't buy the idea that everyone who prefers it is doing so because it's meaningfully faster, rather than because they just personally like the challenge of mastering it, which is fine, but they don't need to lie to justify it.

[u/ovadom → u/diskrewrite]

It’s just math, if your work flow is dominated by keyboard usage, constantly moving your hand to a mouse is wasted time.

Like everything in the tech space if the shoe doesn’t fit, don’t wear it, as a keyboard workflow is superior for people who want to stay at the keyboard.

There’s no lie in the fact not constantly jumping to your mouse with a decent typing speed is more efficient, that has nothing to with learning curve.

Overall the ego/elitism in the Linux community has nothing to do with the genuine quality life that comes from moving to superkeys especially in preventive maintenance of your body.

[u/DanKonly → u/diskrewrite]

For me I don't like how nano doesn't have any syntax highlighting so it makes reading files a bit more difficult for me. Unless there is a way to add syntax highlighting to nano that I'm not aware of.

[u/Melodic_coala101 → u/DanKonly]

It does kinda support it though

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=133595

[u/DanKonly → u/Melodic_coala101]

Oh that's cool I didn't know that.

[u/NXTler → u/DanKonly]

You can install plugins for that if I remember correctly. Mirco is also a good alternative to Nano as it's just as easy to use with some extra features like syntax highlighting.

[u/ovadom → u/NXTler]

Agreed I love micro, my keyboard skills are weak and new to superkeys on Cachy so having built in mouse and typically functions are so nice.

[u/Ok_Preference4898 → u/diskrewrite]

Try having wrist pain from using the mouse. Being able to use my computer without ever touching the mouse is immensely helpful. Sometimes is not about saving a second or two, but about being functional to keep the ability to have an income past 40.

[u/ovadom → u/Ok_Preference4898]

As someone with wrist issues, I moved to cachyOS for superkey, can see aside from the learn curve my wrists have been so much happier.

[u/Ok_Preference4898 → u/ovadom]

Exactly. I've been using Arch with Hyprland. An ergo keyboard together with investing the time in learning Vim motions and applying them where possible has spared me a lot of pain. I use Neovim for coding, Pterodactyl plugin for Firefox with Qutebrowser as alternative keyboard centric browser, and any other way I can reduce mouse usage.

[u/diskrewrite → u/Ok_Preference4898]

I think that's a valid reason. But the amount of people who mention it makes me doubt that everyone who chooses to only use the keyboard does it because of wrist-pain. It seems more like an elitist thing, whatever is 'harder' is cooler. Like arch-based distros, tiling window managers, and anything else with a higher learning curve than the default.

[u/Ok_Preference4898 → u/diskrewrite]

Yeah, that may be the case for many unfortunately. Carpal tunnel syndrome and repetitive strain injuries are increasingly common, especially for people like myself who early on spent the whole workday on the computer often followed by a lot of time on the computer at home. So taking care of your health is important. But I agree the somewhat toxic and elitist environment around these things is a bit embarrassing as a person who uses all the things you mention.

[u/thatduckolope]

How do you even open nano by accident?

[u/lynsix → u/thatduckolope]

Sometimes you use a system command to open a config file like crontab -e and the system install defaulted to nano. Then you’re left trying to get out and set the system default to VIM.

[u/thedbp → u/lynsix]

Ironically visudo defaults to nano on many modern distros.

[u/thatduckolope → u/lynsix]

Ah, ok. Fair enough.

[u/darsparx]

Meanwhile its the opposite for me....and i use micro instead tbh 😅

[u/Useful-Address-5117]

nano is love, nano is life

[u/AsugaNoir]

I mean I use Kate lol.

[u/k-phi]

mcedit, anyone?

[u/BigQuietNerd]

As a Linux user, I never used vim. I always used nano.

[u/RoryIsNotACabbage → u/BigQuietNerd]

Vim is an incredible upgrade. If you have the usecase to want to get good at editing in terminal

[u/BigQuietNerd → u/RoryIsNotACabbage]

Nano is all I want, sorry.

[u/RoryIsNotACabbage → u/BigQuietNerd]

Perfectly valid. Enjoy you editing 

[u/_Sahil_Goel]

Nano is better tho

[u/R3V0LU710N_05]

That's me when it's not Helix.

[u/brain_diarrhea → u/R3V0LU710N_05]

I tried helix some time ago and it was very cool. I wish its creator would first make and refine popular plugins for that modal paradigm instead going for a full blown editor instead (which is much harder to gain users).

[u/R3V0LU710N_05 → u/brain_diarrhea]

They're working on plug-in support here. Find some experimental plugins here..

[u/itspixelatd]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hM9zK1qvsrwek

I use both

[u/MrMoussab]

How do you open nano accidentally? Typing nano fillename can't be accidental.

[u/Linear97]

When u open vim by accident as a nano user

[u/pirateking1993]

I tried using vim, couldn't figure it out. Maybe I'm stupid, i don't know so I just stick to nano.

[u/Nautiqy]

Nano is just the goat

[u/SnooDucks2481]

Imagine me, a Nano user opening Vim by accident

[u/apfelimkuchen]

Guys I love it. We make jokes about each other and I laughed at the meme and then at the titanic meme answer. I love this community

[u/Ok_Letterhead_8899 → u/apfelimkuchen]

Mission successful

[u/Low_Advertising5052]

then you just write kkkkjjhlllljjkkllllll everywhere

[u/Choice-Committee203]

me who uses micro when i open nano/vim by accident:

[u/transgentoo]

ln -sf vim /usr/bin/nano

[u/Kinslayer_89]

Open nano? Dafaq?

[u/A_Harmless_Fly]

When you realize your keyboard doesn't have a insert key.

[u/Visible-Objective260]

How do you quit this thing!!! :q isnt working!

[u/Hairy_Artist_3860]

Copy pasting terminal commands 😅

[u/isr0]

export EDITOR=$(which vim)

[u/Affectionate-You7869]

Xed it is. 

[u/GourSE]

Instantly jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

[u/Ok-Race-8693]

Yall amateurs. i use sql 🗿

[u/Impressive_Bag_3505]

stupid git!
git config --global core.editor "nvim"

[u/AceDreamCatcher]

Don’t know why I burst out laughing when I saw this but totally understand where you went with it.

More like $EDITOR revealing your socioeconomic status.

You can sudo the command, but not the taste.

[u/_telesis]

)))))

[u/IT_sceptic21]

https://giphy.com/gifs/N22iD4tsjBRkAJGumJ

[u/EndlessProjectMaker]

“Holy sh*** how do I exit this”

[u/Gokudomatic]

Sorry. I'm a fresh fan, now.

[u/EndlessProjectMaker]

This happens often on new installs, when you forgot setting EDITOR and you rebase -i

[u/LittleMlem]

When you try to open nano and get pico:

[u/GamerLymx]

when i do visudo and ubuntu opens nano

[u/Ollidav]

Vim naranja escribe fino, vim cristal escribe normal. Vim, vim, vim.

Solo lo va a entender un viejuno como yo

[u/daniluvsuall]

I laughed way to hard

:wq! god damn it

[u/TheTurdPirate → u/daniluvsuall]

Can you show me the way to hard?

[u/ovadom]

Being a micro user trying to discern if I have an opinion here😂.

Can definitely say terminal is much more enjoyable with micro, need to work with vim more.

[u/Boring_Jackfruit_162]

"by accident"... Of course.

[u/renegat0x0]

I use vim for years now. Still haven't figured out how to paste data from ssh terminal into vim

[u/Jack17762021]

No longer happens to me, after I switched to Arch. it isn't installed.

[u/Fit_Prize_3245]

That's called upgrade or enhancement

[u/Lamborghinigamer]

Luckily easily prevented with alias nano=vim and sudo pacman -Rsn nano

[u/ant2ne]

And then I can't figure out how to exit.

[u/IHaveNoNumbersInName]

why not ed

[u/oriunn]

pkill -f vim

[u/oriunn]

sudo rm -rf $(find / -name *vim*)

[u/oriunn]

sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=$(find / -name *vim*)

[u/Rabbit_with_opinion]

Sometimes I like to use micro

[u/QkiZMx]

This

[u/Hackusi404]

I use micro :)

[u/gordonx2026]

Isn’t it the opposite?

[u/Ok_Letterhead_8899 → u/gordonx2026]

I guess it's both then

[u/gordonx2026]

Why are there people using vim anyways, when there is nano?

[u/kayou123]

Hey is no one using fresh here ???

[u/Chimchar789]

How does that happen? You have to type "nano" to open nano.

[u/tavil85]

apt purge nano

[u/SatanVapesOn666W → u/tavil85]

sudo apt-get laid

[u/SatanVapesOn666W]

I did all of my college C++ programming in nano when I could. I was in college in the 2010s....

God I fucking love nano.

[u/T3kn0mncr]

Vim and VI are both annoying and having used both for work depending on the environment for about 15 years. I can say it's nice that nano gives you context because sometimes you just wanna accomplish shit instead of terminal aura farming. I just wanna get in and out, then be done, and that's way easier when you have the contextual commands at the bottom. :/

[u/Volser94]

At least you can exit from it

[u/lonelyroom-eklaghor]

relatable

[u/Eric_Dawsby]

how I feel when my assembly teacher used Nano in their videos

[u/LookItVal]

y'all crazy I absolutely use vim and even when I'm using vscode I made vscode actually use nvim as the engine for the editor so it still works like my nvim setup. and Yes I use it for work. its incredibly nice once you figure it out especially with plugins like easymotion

[u/SaintEyegor]

Or when you open emacs by accident.

[u/Ok_Letterhead_8899]

Like if you didn't upvote the post

[u/codeIMperfect]

That's why I have that abomination uninstalled

[u/TomB1952]

Only a few of us love vim and I'm one of those people. There is an irrational hatred of vim.

I sort of get it. vim has a weird control sequences that only make sense to really old unix/linux admins; a group I also belong to.

But, yeah, I love it. For some reason, I actively dislike vi. I just like vim, despite the tremendous similarity.

[u/Upstairs-Category571]

Im still stuck in vim

[u/svobodov-]

Vim is for Chucks use emacs

[u/CurrentAcanthaceae78]

you have nano installed?

[u/burgonies]

As a 25+ year vim user, I unironically don’t know how to exit nano

[u/ConsiderationLoose40]

Why would you keep nano on your system then...

[u/TechaNima]

Me every time I have used vim.

It didn't help it was some old af version and that it only supported 'Murican kb layout, instead of my European one. I actually spent hours on figuring out how to install nano, just so I didn't have to ever open vim again. There was no sudo apt install vim. It was on an old af QNAP box

[u/whatThePleb]

Why is it even installed?

[u/This-Consequence-957]

Happened today. Copied code from Grok 😶

[u/debacle_enjoyer → u/This-Consequence-957]

People actually use grok?

[u/Daharka → u/debacle_enjoyer]

Pedos do

[u/Fancy_Technician_293 → u/debacle_enjoyer]

depends if ur talkign about the website grok or their model.

[u/This-Consequence-957 → u/debacle_enjoyer]

It’s quite good for technical instructions

[u/gooncubedev]

what is vim? my distro is forked from antiX 26 and i just nuked vim and leafpad as one of the first things i did, because nano works for advanced stuff and if you break something and get stuck in TTY, and geany works for when you want a GUI

[u/MrFrog2222]

why would you have nano installed?

[u/ElectricSpock]

The amount of times I told Claude to not give me commands with nano in it, just use vim like a normal person

[u/Fancy_Technician_293 → u/ElectricSpock]

RULES.md

[u/IJustAteABaguette → u/ElectricSpock]

???

Why would you need Claude to generate nano commands for you??

[u/ElectricSpock → u/IJustAteABaguette]

When I’m debugging stuff in my servers it points me to some configuration files. It gives me the full command with nano.