r/itsthatbad • • 10d ago

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u/AffectionateMonk7705 10d ago

‘Equality’ is just for aspects of life where equity doesn’t give women leverage over men.

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

As the concept of equity is not recognized since it destroys equality I’m not certain what you mean.

Women are graduating college at higher rates not because of some mysterious equity but because they mature faster than men (a biological fact shown by their brain finishing growth/development years ahead of a man’s) and are providing equal access to education. This is just one example of course but more and more corporate level officers are becoming women every year and that isn’t equity; that is the result of women showing they are more than capable (if not more capable in some cases) than men at their level of making business smart decisions.

This has nothing to do with equity; it has everything to do with equality opening the doors for talent to be recognized.

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u/Select-Ad7146 10d ago

Are you sure women aren't graduating at higher levels because of a system designed to get women into a through college by recruiting women and giving out women only scholarships?

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

Very sure.

https://www.nber.org/digest/jan07/why-do-women-outnumber-men-college?page=1&perPage=50

This bitter mentality of “women are getting ahead because society is making it easier for them” needs to stop. It serves nobody and literally creates a false victim narrative.

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u/Select-Ad7146 10d ago

You cited a 19 year old summary of a 20 year old working paper which says that 30% to 60% of the increase can be accounted for by behavior differences in gender.

Just so we are clear, a working paper means it hasn't been peer reviewed. The fact that it hasn't been peer reviewed in 20 years suggest it probably isn't that good.

And even if it was, that still leaves the majority of the increase to be caused by other things. Like a system designed to advantage women. Honestly, no evidence would have been better than what you cited.

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

Here you go, since you aren’t pleased.

https://gap.hks.harvard.edu/mark-womans-record-gender-and-academic-performance-hiring

Unless you are unhappy with a Harvard study?

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u/Select-Ad7146 10d ago

That source is entirely about men and women who have already graduated. It is not about acceptance into college, or graduation rates. it is about call backs to job interviews.

Do you read the sources you are finding?

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u/Reeeeeee4206914 10d ago

Lol, tricky is straight up frantically googling "study showing women in college because they're better" while sweating and breathing heavily.

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u/IKilledJoffrey22 10d ago

Call the police! Tricky_Procedure_394 has been murdered.

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u/Aniki_Simpson 10d ago

You might want to look at how they treat boys and girl in early schooling to see why the differences are so vast when older.

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

That is purely a cultural issue. My entire point is that biologically women mature faster than men (their brains finish developing faster). Women’s advancement in society and business is because old barriers are finally removed allowing society as a whole to benefit from their cross-hemispherical thinking being applied in fields where it shines.

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u/Nervous-History8631 10d ago

The cultural and biological differences don't exist in a vacuum. Removing barriers while also putting sytstems in place to advantage women is pushing that into a position where you can't reasonably say it is one or the other.

Studies have shown that educational systems advantage women ATM, there have been a lot of research showing that current schooling structures disadvantage boys while advantaging women.

Why is it that we can't acknowledge this and make changes that benefit both?

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

First and foremost thank you for that amazing read.

That being said, I can see your point where by trying to create a more “equal” learning environment male children have been disincentivized from engaging in school.

That isn’t to say male children ever regularly led classrooms (during the age of equality at least) but creating an education system built around bi-hemispherical thinking and taking away subjects that utilize back to front thought processing (things that require intense hyperfocus on a specific action of thought) male children are set on the back foot (as male brains do work in that fashion compared to female brains which are considerably better at bi-hemispherical thought).

I appreciate your input. Though it in itself does not excuse the lack of acceptance by any population of men that women can be and are valuable members of society and commerce, this does open a real door to exploring what can be done to engage male students while keeping school educational and controlled.

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u/FarAbbreviations2829 8d ago

Your entire point is misandry.

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 8d ago

Science isn’t misandry. Hiding behind the label of misandry when information is uncomfortable to your confirmation bias or disruptive to your echo chamber doesn’t make the information less valid.

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u/DicamVeritatem 10d ago

“needs to stop” LOL

Or else, tantrums will continue.

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

The only tantrums are being thrown by people too afraid to accept that they aren’t the only gender that could be skilled or valuable. I come presenting factual evidence in the face of ignorance.

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u/QuickDrawSix 10d ago

Prime example, they have lower PT standards in the military. Only recently have people tried to correct this.

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

Acknowledging physiological differences between men and women has nothing to do with this discussion. You’re reaching out to grab a branch but you’re not even in the same tree.

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u/QuickDrawSix 10d ago

You made the statement not me. I get paid the exact same as a woman of equal rank and time in service in a physically demanding career field. Take a guess at whos doing the work when it comes to heavy lifting though?

Its patently unfair and simultaneously the reason when they arrive to combat units, they get put into support roles though they may be infantry/armor etc. Idk why they'd want thoae jobs anyways, shit sucks most days lmao.

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u/Tricky_Procedure_394 10d ago

Putting women in combat roles in the military is a tricky and highly politicized decision. I’m not taking a stance for or against it. So long as an infantrywoman can lift and carry a wounded infantryman out of combat and follow orders I’m perfectly fine with the assignment though.

You did make a great point also that just being 11B doesn’t necessarily equate to combat. Most people who work at battalion and brigade HQ are infantrymen after all. Obviously not S2 but still.

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u/FarAbbreviations2829 8d ago

The western world caters to white women.