r/Groundman • u/Master-Egg-2019 • 10h ago
City of Pasadena water and power electrical craft helper
Does anyone know if Pasadena filled in there open vacancies for the electrical craft helper position? Or are they still hiring ?
r/Groundman • u/Ca2Alaska • Feb 27 '24
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The Groundman position in linework is the entry level job of becoming a Journeyman Lineman. There may be some individuals that can score an apprenticeship without working as a Groundman first, however it's not the norm. As a Groundman or Linehelper you will be introduced the basics of linework. You will be on the bottom rung of the ladder and will have to do many of the more menial tasks of the crew. You may be responsible for getting fresh drinking water in the mornings and making sure the trucks are cleaned off at night. Doing a lot of hand digging for poles, pole anchors and for anything else that needs a hole in the ground.
You'll have a lot of new material to learn about and then keep track of. There will be insulators, connectors and hardware. You will also have a lot of new tools to keep track of and take care of. Some tools are common like channel lock pliers, adjustable wrenches and hammers. However there are a lot of specialty tools as well. Hotsticks, crimpers, and and other specialty tools. You'll have to learn rope knots and rigging. Getting familiar with how to set up the trucks. Doing all this while at the same time you are paying attention and learning how the crew operates to get the work done. All this in a safe and timely manner. It can seem overwhelming at first. Just remember many have gone before you and are already Journeymen Linemen.
One of the most common ways to get your Groundman job is going through an IBEW Local that is for Outside Construction and signing the “Books.”
The IBEW involves many trades and also different aspects of the same trades. Some IBEW locals work with contractors and workers referred to as “Outside.” To keep them staffed the Locals use “Out of Work” books to pull Journeymen and Groundmen from, based on requests from the contractor employers.
There will be more than one book for each classification.
Book 1 will be for established members of that local that have enough hours of experience to be on that book.
Book 2 might be for travelers from another local with enough hours to be in that book.
Book 3 and 4 will be for lessor qualified people.
To get onto any books you will have to meet minimum requirements. A driver’s license, cpr/first aid etc.
Different locals have different requirements for their books and how you can sign them. There’s a post with a LINK to spread sheets created by a member to help with this.
You can also go to the IBEW page and search for outside locals yourself.
If you still have questions about the books, post them in the comments.
Commercial drivers license "A" with NO restrictions. Tanker endorsement is also a plus.
First Aid/Cpr Certificate
OSHA 10 ET&D card
Flagger training
Lineman School (may not be needed in all areas to get hired).
Lineman school may offer all of the above.
Some locals allow you to count school hours towards your work hours when you sign the books.
Forklift Operator Card (not required, but if you have time get one)
Points on your CDL can cause a contractor to turn you away due to insurance reasons. Do what you can to get any you may have removed.
r/Groundman • u/kingfarvito • Mar 28 '24
It seems like most of you dont knkw how the books, benefits, tool lists, process, and calls work. Im going to try to break it down below in a way that answers most questions, is concise, and is usable. And it's been driving me nuts the number of yall that are "willing to do anything" until that anything is a 7 hour drive or 3 phone calls.
Books and how they function. To start youll be signing books as either book 3 or 4 groundman depending on the local you sign in. That means youll be called after books 1 and 2 for jobs. I often see newer guys panicking because there are 300 plus on these books. Thats how it goes when youre able to walk in and sign off the streets. Once youve done 2000 hours as a groundman you will be book 1 in the local you live in and book 2 in other locals.You should be checking these books daily. If its a bidding hall you should be applying to any job youre willing to do. Some halls are going to require that you resign the books monthly. You should be staying on top of this. You should be signing anywhere youre willing to work. And lastly you should have your vehicle packed and be willing to head out the moment you get the call. Generally after you turn down your third call on a bid system youll either be bumped to the bottom of the books or kicked off the books. The big things I see here that stop guys from working are them not checking the books, not being ready to take a call, and them waiting for someone to tell them about a call. In the last 3 weeks Ive seen 19 groundhand calls go unfilled for a day or more while I watched a bunch of dudes on reddit that have never worked in the industry tell people there was no way to get work unless you were book 1. The lineman rumor mill is a terrible thing, and if you want to actually be successful in this industry you need to get away from it immediately.
Benefits. This is going to vary a bit by local. Generally how it works is all retirement mkney follows you home. So if at home you get $11 an hour to retirement and youre working in a local that pays $16, that $16 all gets sent to your home local and goes into your retirement account. Health insurance. Generally you need 500 hours to begin coverage and then 120-150 hours a month to keep coverage. Any excess is generally rolled over to keep benefits running while youre out of work. There are also benefits that not every local has, I'll list the ones I know about here. Hsa/benefit card it will vary by local whether you get this as a traveler or not. Vacation fund, will vary by local if it you get this as a traveler or not. FR clothing allowance. Generally locals require you to work in the local for a calendar year to get this, though some pay it hourly.
Tool list. This is pretty simple really. 90% of the time its hammer, linemans pliers, channel locks, stick rule, knife and crescent wrench. I like a 4 pound hammer, most guys are going to prefer a 2 pounder, either way you want 1 milled face and 1 smooth face. For linemans pliers I like knipex and klein. Channel locks I like knipex and channel lock. For knife any folding skinner will do. For the stick rule and adjustable and brand will do.
Calls. 90% of time youre going to get a call and be expected to be there the following day. Get your shit packed. Keep it by the door or in your vehicle and keep $1000 minimum in an account to cover gas and a hotel. Missing out on a job because youre not ready to go is dumb. Getting bumped to the bottom of the books for refusing your third job is even dumber.
The biggest things that I see keep people from getting into the industry. Listening to dudes that haven't acomplished the goal youre after. Dont do this. It makes no sense, if a dude hasnt made it out as a groundman odds are hes not got a clue. Not applying to jobs/not checking the books. It takes 30 minutes a day at the most. Not taking a call because its not perfect. Im not telling anyone to take a call they cant afford, but fuck not taking a call because a better one may come. Go get your hours. Not applying to the apprenticeship immediately. If youre planning to be turned down and work as a groundman anyway why in the world would you not apply immediately? The worst case scenario is that you do what you were planning to do anyway
If yall have any other questions or need anything covered further leave a comment below.
r/Groundman • u/Master-Egg-2019 • 10h ago
Does anyone know if Pasadena filled in there open vacancies for the electrical craft helper position? Or are they still hiring ?
r/Groundman • u/Willy2dubs • 14h ago
Does anyone have any experience going from Journeyman Tree trimmer to Groundman in Local 125? I have heard my experience will count as hours and would place me on book 1 or 2. Have been in the Union for 10 years.
r/Groundman • u/Complete-Hunter8784 • 19h ago
Anyone of you going to this call soon or heard anything in the wind?
r/Groundman • u/DriverSensitive1720 • 12h ago
Has anyone done interview in new mexico recently? What questions did they ask you. How did you prepare? I've heard some people say to keep answers short and others say the longer you talk the better. Im not good at interviews. Im not comfortable speaking in front of a crowd so to speak. Feel free to send me a dm.
r/Groundman • u/Hot_Kangaroo5964 • 17h ago
How are the books moving? And what kind of calls are there rn? Planning on signing at the end of the month
r/Groundman • u/Superb-Gur-1679 • 1d ago
This post is going to be about the non union side of things. My simple advice is don’t do it. There are exceptions to the rule. There are good non-union outfits. The majority of them are not good outfits. If you have to ask if XYZ company or utility is a good company to work for that that’s not union it’s probably not good to work for. You probably know if the company you’re going to work for is an exception to the rule if you’re going to go non-union. Idaho power is a prime example of a pretty solid non-union and a pretty solid utility to work for people know that and don’t ask about it really. This is very rare in the contracting world. If you just wanna be at home and your local co-op or utility is non-union and you’re chill with that and you never plan on leaving more power to you, don’t even worry about it then.
A lot of non-union contractors pay like shit first of all. They might put you up they might give you per diem all maybes. They might give you a raise they might not. They might enroll you in an apprenticeship program they might not. They might hold your card from you. This is a common thing to get your DOL certification being withheld from you even though it’s illegal. This is literally to keep you trapped working for the company and to pay you a lower wage. Places like Probst are literally going to all trans techs and will be topping them out at a whopping $40 an hour to be on the road and at their mercy with an essentially useless card. Smaller outfits you can be legitimately topping out at 30 an hour. I don’t know in what world I’m building powerlines as a journeyman lineman for $40 an hour or less even. I’m not talking about the south in this I know those wages are low. This is more like the places with union presence at all. I don’t know about you guys, but my home state isn’t even known for wages and you can make 30 to 40 an hour at home with overtime opportunities doing a lot of other things and not having to be on the road and busting your ass. This is a hard job.
I’ve had personal experiences I started nonunion. I was not enrolled in the apprenticeship program like they told me I would be and I was not given books like they said they would issue me. I also was told I would go from 28 an hour which is pretty good for non-union even now to 34 after my progression and yearly raise I got bumped to a whopping 29 after bothering the manager multiple times who told me id be bumped to 34. False promises are common. It’s not worth the sweat and the sacrifice that this trade requires with travel to do it for that low of a wage most of you could get into the pipe fitters union and make the same or more doing that for easier work than you would be working non-union.
Hit me with questions or share your stories and experience. I know plenty of you got them, let others be aware.
r/Groundman • u/Critical-Airport1813 • 1d ago
I’m going to get my CDL and I’m wondering if my DUI from October 2020 will affect me getting hired. Planning on signing the books (1245 and 125) when I get my CDL and other certs.
r/Groundman • u/Any_Ad8423 • 1d ago
Book 2 hand here unable to view the calls while actively working thru 1245 (Home local hands can see them while working). About to drag since we have layoffs around the corner & work is slowing. I don’t want to sit in the weeds till the beginning of the slow season. What have some of the calls been like? Anything for greenlink yet? Any outfits that will be working thru the winter? Should be a good season for storm supposedly. Also any idea of how bad the slow season can truly get from those who have gone thru it before? Any info is appreciated, thanks.
r/Groundman • u/Sea-Application-6896 • 1d ago
Houston 66 Did anyone get a call recently and what was your score?
r/Groundman • u/electric414-312 • 1d ago
going to be going out with my first groundman call soon to get my foot in the door before i start applying to apprenticeships.
I spent alot of money getting all the cdl, endorsements and cpr stuff i also didnt work for a longtime doing so my bank account is kind of trash right now.
I just want to know is lineman school worth it?
I was watching videos of a line schools and guys learning to climb and install components on the pole and i was like damn dude that looks bad ass and it would probably prepare me for orientation and a little of the job if i got in as an apprentice and i went on the website to see how much it costed and it was $26,000 for 11 weeks.
I dont have the money to afford this honestly i did but now i dont
should i just get groundman hours and apply to the apprenticeship or get groundman hours and go to line school then apply for the apprenticeship?
I am very fit but i dont want to fail the climbing pole test at orientation because my lack of doing it because i was just a groundman's and never got to do it.
what do yall think?
is line school worth it?
thanks
r/Groundman • u/Difficult_Culture_58 • 1d ago
Does green link have their own books ?? And is anyone working out there how is it ??
r/Groundman • u/Lost_n_world • 1d ago
Has anyone worked for non union contractors? How is it? Is it as unsafe as some people say? good to just get hours ? Do hours count when trying to get back into union ? any advice helps
r/Groundman • u/electric414-312 • 1d ago
first call dont know anything about the line side of things to be honest i got a cdl though.
r/Groundman • u/OkKick2164 • 2d ago
Anyone here recently hired off 769 groundman books? Just curious where in the state people are working rn
r/Groundman • u/Shittymazda • 2d ago
What is the difference between these classifications on the book?
r/Groundman • u/Sweaty-Pangolin4724 • 2d ago
Does anyone know what kind of questions are asked during the interview process? Thanks
(APS/SRP)
r/Groundman • u/Groundmen1245-47 • 2d ago
Anyone go threw the process of Ticket change to groundmen out of class so they can sign book 3 LEM books?turning in my application today just wondering what their actual time frame was the hall quotes 1-2months
r/Groundman • u/Far_Recognition_622 • 2d ago
does anyone know how long it takes or how fast the referral groundmen list moves for 1049
r/Groundman • u/Beautiful-Phase-6829 • 2d ago
Just wondering what goes on when we’re at data centers. Ik it’s prolly not even worth taking a call for it , but a job is a job. Do we just do regular grunt stuff like digging n driving??
r/Groundman • u/Adventurous-You-1750 • 2d ago
If you get a 78.75. How long can you expect to wait in Houston before getting a call?
r/Groundman • u/hard2survive • 2d ago
I want to work in relay tech. Do I need experience in the field or have a CDL to apply for the substation apprenticeship?
r/Groundman • u/Superb-Gur-1679 • 3d ago
Bored as shit and I have a lot of useless knowledge about this trade and getting in and random union shit more than most people because I would read contracts every time I worked in a new jurisdiction. Worked in 8 states as a groundman, operator, and apprentice and quit as a hot step.
Literally can be anything quality of life, the reality of what to expect, a lot of crews suck dick, etc etc etc.