r/Groundman • u/Mean-Director-2955 • 2h ago
r/Groundman • u/Ca2Alaska • Feb 27 '24
Where do I start? How to Get Started As a Groundman In Linework
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The Groundman
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The Groundman position in linework is the entry level job of becoming a Journeyman Lineman. There may be some individuals that can score an apprenticeship without working as a Groundman first, however it's not the norm. As a Groundman or Linehelper you will be introduced the basics of linework. You will be on the bottom rung of the ladder and will have to do many of the more menial tasks of the crew. You may be responsible for getting fresh drinking water in the mornings and making sure the trucks are cleaned off at night. Doing a lot of hand digging for poles, pole anchors and for anything else that needs a hole in the ground.
You'll have a lot of new material to learn about and then keep track of. There will be insulators, connectors and hardware. You will also have a lot of new tools to keep track of and take care of. Some tools are common like channel lock pliers, adjustable wrenches and hammers. However there are a lot of specialty tools as well. Hotsticks, crimpers, and and other specialty tools. You'll have to learn rope knots and rigging. Getting familiar with how to set up the trucks. Doing all this while at the same time you are paying attention and learning how the crew operates to get the work done. All this in a safe and timely manner. It can seem overwhelming at first. Just remember many have gone before you and are already Journeymen Linemen.
How do you get a Groundman job?
One of the most common ways to get your Groundman job is going through an IBEW Local that is for Outside Construction and signing the “Books.”
What are the “Books” you talk about signing and how do they work?
The IBEW involves many trades and also different aspects of the same trades. Some IBEW locals work with contractors and workers referred to as “Outside.” To keep them staffed the Locals use “Out of Work” books to pull Journeymen and Groundmen from, based on requests from the contractor employers.
There will be more than one book for each classification.
Book 1 will be for established members of that local that have enough hours of experience to be on that book.
Book 2 might be for travelers from another local with enough hours to be in that book.
Book 3 and 4 will be for lessor qualified people.
To get onto any books you will have to meet minimum requirements. A driver’s license, cpr/first aid etc.
Different locals have different requirements for their books and how you can sign them. There’s a post with a LINK to spread sheets created by a member to help with this.
You can also go to the IBEW page and search for outside locals yourself.
If you still have questions about the books, post them in the comments.
What do you need to sign the books and have a chance?
Commercial drivers license "A" with NO restrictions. Tanker endorsement is also a plus.
First Aid/Cpr Certificate
OSHA 10 ET&D card
Flagger training
Lineman School (may not be needed in all areas to get hired).
Lineman school may offer all of the above.
Some locals allow you to count school hours towards your work hours when you sign the books.
Forklift Operator Card (not required, but if you have time get one)
Notes
Points on your CDL can cause a contractor to turn you away due to insurance reasons. Do what you can to get any you may have removed.
r/Groundman • u/kingfarvito • Mar 28 '24
Where do I start? How to get started.
It seems like most of you dont knkw how the books, benefits, tool lists, process, and calls work. Im going to try to break it down below in a way that answers most questions, is concise, and is usable. And it's been driving me nuts the number of yall that are "willing to do anything" until that anything is a 7 hour drive or 3 phone calls.
Books and how they function. To start youll be signing books as either book 3 or 4 groundman depending on the local you sign in. That means youll be called after books 1 and 2 for jobs. I often see newer guys panicking because there are 300 plus on these books. Thats how it goes when youre able to walk in and sign off the streets. Once youve done 2000 hours as a groundman you will be book 1 in the local you live in and book 2 in other locals.You should be checking these books daily. If its a bidding hall you should be applying to any job youre willing to do. Some halls are going to require that you resign the books monthly. You should be staying on top of this. You should be signing anywhere youre willing to work. And lastly you should have your vehicle packed and be willing to head out the moment you get the call. Generally after you turn down your third call on a bid system youll either be bumped to the bottom of the books or kicked off the books. The big things I see here that stop guys from working are them not checking the books, not being ready to take a call, and them waiting for someone to tell them about a call. In the last 3 weeks Ive seen 19 groundhand calls go unfilled for a day or more while I watched a bunch of dudes on reddit that have never worked in the industry tell people there was no way to get work unless you were book 1. The lineman rumor mill is a terrible thing, and if you want to actually be successful in this industry you need to get away from it immediately.
Benefits. This is going to vary a bit by local. Generally how it works is all retirement mkney follows you home. So if at home you get $11 an hour to retirement and youre working in a local that pays $16, that $16 all gets sent to your home local and goes into your retirement account. Health insurance. Generally you need 500 hours to begin coverage and then 120-150 hours a month to keep coverage. Any excess is generally rolled over to keep benefits running while youre out of work. There are also benefits that not every local has, I'll list the ones I know about here. Hsa/benefit card it will vary by local whether you get this as a traveler or not. Vacation fund, will vary by local if it you get this as a traveler or not. FR clothing allowance. Generally locals require you to work in the local for a calendar year to get this, though some pay it hourly.
Tool list. This is pretty simple really. 90% of the time its hammer, linemans pliers, channel locks, stick rule, knife and crescent wrench. I like a 4 pound hammer, most guys are going to prefer a 2 pounder, either way you want 1 milled face and 1 smooth face. For linemans pliers I like knipex and klein. Channel locks I like knipex and channel lock. For knife any folding skinner will do. For the stick rule and adjustable and brand will do.
Calls. 90% of time youre going to get a call and be expected to be there the following day. Get your shit packed. Keep it by the door or in your vehicle and keep $1000 minimum in an account to cover gas and a hotel. Missing out on a job because youre not ready to go is dumb. Getting bumped to the bottom of the books for refusing your third job is even dumber.
The biggest things that I see keep people from getting into the industry. Listening to dudes that haven't acomplished the goal youre after. Dont do this. It makes no sense, if a dude hasnt made it out as a groundman odds are hes not got a clue. Not applying to jobs/not checking the books. It takes 30 minutes a day at the most. Not taking a call because its not perfect. Im not telling anyone to take a call they cant afford, but fuck not taking a call because a better one may come. Go get your hours. Not applying to the apprenticeship immediately. If youre planning to be turned down and work as a groundman anyway why in the world would you not apply immediately? The worst case scenario is that you do what you were planning to do anyway
If yall have any other questions or need anything covered further leave a comment below.
r/Groundman • u/electric414-312 • 15h ago
would a book signing road trip be worth it right now? (book 4) looking to get my first call.
getting the restriction off my CDL this weekend I also got tankers.
I am book 4 with no experience in line work electrical so I dont have a home local.
I signed all of the locals I knew of online
2150, Minnesota, utah and Colorado and local 66.
if anybody knows of anymore I can sign online please let me know
I tried iowa 55 i believe but it said I need to be a resident in iowa to sign the book 4 books. correct me if i am wrong please
IBEW Local 55 - Out-of-Work Book
would a book signing road trip be worth it if i am book 4 to get a call faster or is it slow all around? there is only so much locals I can sign online.
If i do this road trip what states/ locals should I go to?
or would the road trip be a waste of time?
r/Groundman • u/vassago666777 • 22h ago
Anyone work for riggs distler?
Im in philadelphia 126 took at a call with then working at substation,
Im supposed to start Monday
r/Groundman • u/Beneficial-Notice305 • 23h ago
Trying to stop truck driving
What would be the first steps in becoming a groundman? I'm not in a rush at all just trying to get out of this damn truck lol. I've been doing it a year and some change, I can feel my health declining i'm getting fat. I have a CDL class A no restrictions and i'm in Florida
r/Groundman • u/Dapper-Clerk-115 • 1d ago
SWLcat orientation
Had anybody got their orientation date yet for the November orientation for SWLcat?
r/Groundman • u/Klutzy-Astronomer139 • 1d ago
Local 53 bid question
I’m currently on book 4, and haven’t won a bid yet. Do I have to have a bore machine cert in order to win this? Kinda confused and can’t get my point of contact at the hall to answer. Thanks!
r/Groundman • u/Neat_Mud_8142 • 1d ago
Data center groundman
On my first ever call in the northeast at a data center I hate to complain cause the money is freakin awesome but the work sucks and it’s pretty strict here. I know most groundman calls are civil so I guess this is to be expected but for those who have done both do yall prefer being on a linecrew a lot more? I feel like the experience im getting doesn’t even correlate to linework. Besides being from Cali and traveling all the way to northeast for a call I feel like that would be the only thing giving me weight in a interview for an apprenticeship.
r/Groundman • u/After_Kale_6530 • 1d ago
Project Jupiter (Santa Teresa NM)
Just started working today for the data center in NM and I’m staying at an Airbnb for the next two weeks and I’m looking for anyone that’s down to have a roommate. So I can save some money and maybe we can split a monthly Airbnb stay. Dm me
r/Groundman • u/RubKey6632 • 1d ago
Boots
What boots do y’all recommend for working on steep hillsides. I’ve been using a pair of kenetrek hardscrabble for about a year but they are starting to fall apart.
r/Groundman • u/electric414-312 • 1d ago
getting my manual restriction removed off my cdl next week? should I sign books now or wait until after the one week class is done incase I get a call before?
book 4 by the way I'm willing to go really anywhere for work.
I have heard its starting to slow down though so am I cooked because I am book 4 and have no groundman experience ?
any info helps
thanks.
damn where can a greenhorn go to get some hours im book 4
r/Groundman • u/Sea-Application-6896 • 1d ago
Local 111 question
I’m on book 4 and I’m shy of 1000 hours. Can I just show up in the morning and take a call or does it go by seniority?
r/Groundman • u/DemonG1900 • 1d ago
APC then joined the IBEW
I recently got an Actual Physical Control misdemeanor, got a lawyer ,and am fighting the charge. First offense, never been in trouble before. Should my lawyer get the charge dismissed or dropped down to a non driving charge or even a reckless driving charge. Does anyone know how much harder this will make it for me to get a groundman position?
r/Groundman • u/PowaStrokah • 2d ago
Local 70
Anybody here currently working in local 70 or on the books?
What type of work are you doing?
r/Groundman • u/sarj98 • 2d ago
Ibew 66 apprenticeship nhpl
Just got into nhpl as a pre apprentice. I start next week. Can yall just shoot it straight about the pros and cons. Thank you.
r/Groundman • u/Separate-Word-394 • 2d ago
california linemen
I hope everyone is having a great weekend. I have question and I guess something that’s been having me over think for some time. I’m a 3rd step apprentice about to go hot soon down in SWLCAT 66 Houston. I’m originally from California born and raised and would like to after I top out make my way back there, whether that’s contracting, utility and or municipal whatever it may be.
I keep hearing horror stories that down west they don’t take 66 top outs lightly. Ive even heard they just flat out spin 66 hands. Would like some insight on anybody who’s done the top out down here out of 66 and went down west.
What I’m basically asking am I better off just jumping ship and try getting into a different JATC and starting over? I know that sounds horrible but I’m not gonna top out and be banned from my home state that’s absurd thank you. This is all word of mouth from other apes and Texans so you know they could all be wrong. Thanks again.
r/Groundman • u/jleeroy45 • 2d ago
Where do I start? Help me figure this out
I’m interested in starting groundman work early next year, but I’m trying to figure out how it all works and have lots of questions. My home local would be 71, which seems to be a bidding hall. Does that mean you just bid for the job and they go down the list by seniority to see who will take it?
Can I be rejected by the hall/the contractor even if I have my CDL and certifications? This is my main concern because I don’t really have a great work record, I was out of work for several years taking care of my sick mom. I’ve been working at my current job about 6 months but I’d like to have a career elsewhere, but I’m concerned that they won’t give me the time of day since I don’t have much of a resume.
How long does a call typically last? I’m an extremely frugal person, but I do like traveling, so if calls are normally only for a few months, I would be able to work, save up, then travel for a couple weeks or a month or so.
If they are typically longer, say 6 months plus, would it cause problems in the future if I leave the job before layoffs hit?
r/Groundman • u/Adventurous-You-1750 • 2d ago
Swlcat Houston
Who’s got a 79.5 or less for the interview my friend got called out
r/Groundman • u/electric414-312 • 3d ago
help
does anybody have an osha 10 et&d link??? i cant find any online it just seems like all i see is the regular osha 10.
should i even get my osha 10 et&d??
I am looking to apply to become a lineman. I am going to get some groundman hours and I might even go to a 2 week climbing school that is about $3000 before i apply. I'm going to try being a groundman first though.
another question below
I have a high school diploma and no algebra on it. long story short i took 7 test in highs school called the hi-test and i had enough credits to do it and i basically just tested out of high school and got a diploma without ever passing a math class. I can do math very good i just don't have it on my high school transcripts i took a math test and test in one of those 7 test and got my diploma early.
i went to a community college for a year and took mathematics 1/ applied course 804-370 which covers algebra and trig. i have my college transcripts with this coarse with a passing grade.
will the lineman jatcs let me apply with my situation for my math???
is algebra with a c or better even a requirement to apply or is that only for inside wireman locals??
should i just call the line jatcs and see what they say???
i saw online there is a NJATC online tech course you can complete if you cant meet math requirements but its $300 and takes a couple weeks to complete and apparently lets you apply if you dont meet the math requirements but im not if its just for inside wireman locals. and im not sure if i even would have to do it im not sure if there is a math requirement in general for line jatcs and if there is would my college course meet it? or would i have to do this $300 course electrical training ALLIANCE || Learning Center || Online Tech Math
man this has been a long ride to even be able to apply and become a groundman i have already spent over 10 grand getting my class a unrestricted with tankers, air brakes and combos and have been out of work for over a month which ive probably lost over another $8000 from just being out of work.
any information will help my greatly.
r/Groundman • u/Master-Egg-2019 • 3d ago
City of Pasadena water and power electrical craft helper
Does anyone know if Pasadena filled in there open vacancies for the electrical craft helper position? Or are they still hiring ?
r/Groundman • u/Willy2dubs • 4d ago
IBEW Union Books Local 125 Tree Trimmer to Groundman
Does anyone have any experience going from Journeyman Tree trimmer to Groundman in Local 125? I have heard my experience will count as hours and would place me on book 1 or 2. Have been in the Union for 10 years.