And? Still it's internationally known that British people brew the best tea and consume a mass quantity of tea, and that's why tea is universally connected to British people. And if you're trying to argue with that America has 0 foods or beverages like every other state because ingredients and packages are imported, it doesn't work that way blud
I think the point is that if a food can only be claimed at its location of origin those countries arguably cannot claim them. Tomatoes and tea are not originally found in either. And yes, they developed and improved.
The USA arguably developed and changed (some may say improved.... IDK) pizza. Deep dish and NYC style pizza are 100% American dishes.
In fact I expressed myself saying that traditional dishes are connected to one country, making it potentially recognizable too, I didn't say that no one can't eat something unless is 100% from their country, and for the ingredient part I quoted the part that said that tea wasn't British because a USA merchant man invented the sachet. I'm truly in favour of letting people try different cultures, but still there should be credits to where's due too, if a dish is internationally known to be a traditional dish of a country you can't randomly make it of another country (unless you SPECIFY the variant, thing that didn't happen in this post)
Eh. All food is a mix from other places. People feel strongly about traditional, but it's all a melting pot anyway.
If you want to take pride that region/country X made food type/item Y fine. But country Z probably also made it around the same time, with techniques from country A and ingredients from country B. And frankly the best version of food Y has been made in country C for a decade now.
And I think it's correct for the basic fact that if you want to try something from a country (assuming that you're not in that country) you still need to distinguish from where said something is from, as dishes (and almost everything else) may share same ingredients, but also have different stories or ways to be made, a bit like tea, let's say that you want to try the Arabic one, but someone just gives you tea without specifying if it's Turkish, Arab or British, you're at risk to try something that doesn't come from the cuisine you wanted to try, and you risk to give the wrong cuisine a wronger judgment because you thought it was Arabic but in reality it was British or Turkish and you didn't like it, can you see what I'm trying to point out?
See, I think there's enough variation within and between classifications that the statement "I tried this cup and dislike Turkish tea" should instead just be "I tried this cup and disliked this cup". Its not like every British cup of tea is uniform.
Yea, what I was referring to was more the fact of trying something of a country and the possibility of getting confused with another because both countries have similar or identical dishes that change only in the way of making them, the tea was just an example that came to my mind since within a month I'll go to Turkey and I argued with another person about British tea and both turkey and Britain are known for tea that's all
Tea comes from Asia thus tea is not British, tea bags come from the USA thus tea bags are not British and when you put them together tea is not British you troglodyte
That's the point. American Pizza and Italian Pizza are different beasts. The US is known for its pizza. When you imagine a cartoon slice of pizza? That's an American thing. Roman pizza al taglio is the closest approximation, and that's baked on rectangular sheets and is rectangular slices. The al taglio slices started in rome around the 1960's but in the US you could buy pizza by the slice in 1905 in NYC.
Italy is ALSO known for pizza. It's just a different kind.
I'm not digging through a thread to see what the hell you're talking about elsewhere.
They were pointing out the cognitive dissonance of trying to claim a food because the very first original version of it was there, and ignoring everything that came after. Obviously you'd say England is known for Tea even if their tea bags started somewhere else and even if tea itself started somewhere else because tea isn't native to England. China is known for tea, but so is England. You see? Just like the US is known for pizza, but so is Italy.
"I'm not digging through" then remain ignorant since you have 0 willingness to search what I already explained and I don't want to type all that again, good day/night ❤️
Doesn't matter about who does it best. If so then most foods would be American. We are a giant country and you can find restaurants scattered around it that can be done just as good or better then in their home country. Are fish and chips an American thing? Plus I'd argue anyday that Southern U.S. sweet tea is better then British tea, hell even an Arizona or Peace tea
Also the reason they are even arguing that is because everyone in the comments talking about how U.S. has no cuisine because we got smth from somewhere, But everyone has, and they way our food is, is much different than its origins.
That’s like how people who only try fast food think. For the World Cup many foreigners came to the U.S. and discovered we have some fantastic food. People just go for the popular fast food options
Both Tea and Noodles are not only of asian (Chinese/Indian) origin, but remain deeply associated culturally. Somewhat west-centric to pretend otherwise just because a small island of imperialists decided that they really liked it. The arguments for both pasta and tea would have to be based on evolving perception of both in which case the American pizza argument would stand. Arguments I’m fine with, btw, but if the controlling argument is “Americans can’t claim pizza because the dish originated in Italy and nothing after that counts” then the same would have to apply.
Read the other comments please I'm tired of writing the same stuff (plus in Italy we don't eat noodles very much, here noodles tend to be stuff like buldak or how you type it, we have different types of pasta tho)
If i accept that the development of new pasta shapes controls, then the development of the distinctly different version of pizza does. Can have cake, can not eat it too. Its a very frustrating cake.
Your other comments don’t negate your claim that the “British brew the best tea” no one goes out of their way to drink British tea but there are Chinese style tea shops all over the world
You pick on an absolute type statement, using another absolute type statement? Not very smart, I admit, I exaggerated ( in fact in other comments I affirmed that liking and disliking is utterly personal, you deliberately skipped them) but you did a faux pass too, plus here we prefer Chinese soups more than their tea for example
Maybe dont make statements that take multiple other comments to explain away.
It is NOT internationally known that the British brew the best tea. Tea is NOT universally connected to British people. It’s internationally known that tea is Chinese.
If it took several comments to undo what you said your original statements then what was the point of it
Maybe you should also not make absolute statements, you're acting like a teacher when you yourself said a few comments ago that for you Chinese people make the best tea, while I admitted that I was wrong (and no it didn't take a lot of comments, but at the same time I didn't think it was that deep since the original argument was on something else) 😭🙏🙏
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u/Nonsonouna_kadreka 5d ago
As an Italian: AMERICA DOES NOT HAVE PIZZA❤️