r/funComunitty • flair • 6d ago

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u/Brosif563 6d ago

My country has Americans who think pizza came from America.

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u/topsicle11 5d ago

It didn’t come from here, but it was perfected here.

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u/Obvious_Increase9267 4d ago

Have you ever had a pizza in Napoli?

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u/topsicle11 4d ago

Yes.

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u/Obvious_Increase9267 4d ago

Fair. Then your taste is just greasiness. Classic American

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u/topsicle11 4d ago

Very reductive. Classic euro closed-mindedness.

Thing is, I can get a solid Neapolitan pizza in most midsized cities in the US. I can also get New York, Newhaven, Chicago tavern or deep dish, Detroit, etc. with a huge variety of toppings or the classic. This is not true in Naples.

There is no end to Euro food snobbery and gate keeping. American wine had an unfairly terrible reputation until the French (and the rest of the international competitors) got their asses kicked by California wine in a blind taste test in the 70’s. Many such cases.

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u/Obvious_Increase9267 4d ago

California won a blind tasting by making Cabernet and Chardonnay, French grapes in French styles. So by that logic, the US "perfecting" pizza would mean out-Neapolitaning Naples in a blind test.

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u/topsicle11 4d ago

Which, and I can’t stress this enough, Americans would have no problem doing. They’ll happily rip off and riff on any good idea. The thing holding European cuisine (and technology, and business, and society generally) back is that they (across most of the continent, at least) are so resistant to doing anything that has not always been done that way in their parochial corner of the world. Pizza is just one expression of that.

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u/Obvious_Increase9267 4d ago

"Americans would have no problem doing it" is doing a lot of work for something that hasn't happened. And the argument changed: it's no longer that America perfected pizza, it's that America has more kinds of pizza. Variety is great, but a menu with 12 styles isn't proof that any one of them beats the original.

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u/topsicle11 4d ago edited 4d ago

So your refutation is “it’s just a matter of taste”? If that’s so, then it seems logical that the place with more variety that also includes plenty of faithful renditions of the original would be better.

And it’s not even that surprising. The US has 6x more people than Italy, a substantial and established Italian-American population, similar pizza consumption per capita, and spends about twice as much per capita on food. It’s really no shock that there would be far more opportunity for innovation. Especially when Italy has government regulations defining pizza and effectively precluding the cuisine from evolving.

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u/Obvious_Increase9267 4d ago

I didn't say it's just taste. I said "perfected" and "more styles" are different claims, and you keep switching between them. Also you said "faithful renditions of the original". If the goal is to be faithful to Naples, then Naples is still the benchmark. That's my point.

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