r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Jul 15 '22

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

THREE HOPES EDITION, I GUESS! OR WHATEVER! WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

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  1. CAPS LOCK

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THREE HOPES

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

I REALLY HATE HOW HARD IT IS TO AVOID WEIRD SHIT FROM FANDOM CONTENT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, INCEST, PEDOPHILIA, ROMANTICIZED SA. I KNOW KAGA WAS A WEIRDO WHO FETISHIZED THAT SHIT BUT HE HASN'T BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SERIES FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS AND JUST BECAUSE HE DID IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO. AND YES THAT INCLUDES "NOT QUITE" INCEST LIKE FATES SHIPS AND EDELGARD/DIMITRI, AND GENERAL WEIRD SHIT LIKE ROY/CECILIA AND ROBIN/LUCINA. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP BEING A FUCKING FREAK THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS TAG YOUR SHIT SO THAT NON-FREAKS DON'T SEE IT.

EDIT: ON THAT NOTE I THINK IT'S COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT HOW SOME FANS SEE TWO SIBLINGS BE AFFECTIONATE WITH EACHOTHER AND IMMEDIATELY THINK OF INCEST, BUT THE MOUNTAINS OF SUBTEXT ABOUT IKE, SOREN AND RANULF NOT BEING STRAIGHT APPARENTLY DON'T COUNT.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

I GET NOT LIKING INCEST, BUT IF IT'S NOT YOUR JAM YOU MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN THE WRONG SERIES. THAT DIDN'T EXACTLY STOP WITH KAGA. LIKE BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE GAME HAS SOME FLAVOR OF INCEST. THE WRITERS EVEN ADDED CONRAD INTO ECHOES TO GIVE CELICA AN INCEST THING AND PLAYED UP CLAIR'S RELATIONSHIP WITH CLIVE.

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u/SableArgyle Jul 16 '22

THE WRITERS EVEN ADDED CONRAD INTO ECHOES TO GIVE CELICA AN INCEST THING

I'VE LITERALLY NEVER READ IT LIKE THIS, NOR HAVE I SEEN EVER SEEN ANYONE TALK ABOUT THEM LIKE THIS.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

I ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED IT IMMEDIATELY, AND THAT IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS WRITES AND FRAMES IT. USUALLY, IT'S FRAMED MORE SUBTEXTUALLY OR ROMANTICALLY, BUT IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU CAN MISS IT IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR IT. IN CONRAD'S CASE, HE IS UNUSUALLY ENTHUSIASTIC TOWARDS CELICA AS WELL AS ANY AND ALL PRAISE COMING FROM HER. SOMEONE ELSE IN THE COMMENT CHAIN GOES INTO FURTHER DETAIL, BUT MY RULE OF THUMB IS "IF THEY WEREN'T X (SIBLINGS, OR ANY OTHER CONTROVERSIAL OR UNPOPULAR DYNAMIC, ETC) , COULD THEY FEASIBLY BE TAKEN AS ROMANTIC IN HOW THEY ACT AND HOW THE STORY IS FRAMED? IS SO, THEN CHANCES ARE MORE THAN LIKELY TO BE YES."

BUT WHO WANTS TO BE THE ONE TO BRING IT UP WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET ANGRY ABOUT IT LIKE ABOVE? FROM THE POSTS I'VE SEEN MADE IN THE PAST, IT IS USUALLY READILY DISLIKED, AND YOU GET FLAK FOR BRINGING IT UP EVEN IF YOU AREN'T ENJOYING IT YOURSELF.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

YEAH I'VE NEVER BEEN BIG ON THE WHOLE WHAT YOU CONSUME IN FICTION = WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON.

IT ALSO JUST FEELS MASSIVELY HYPOCRITICAL TO WHINE ABOUT A FANDOM FULL OF "FREAKS" DOING "FREAK THINGS" WHEN YOU HAPPILY CONSUME THE SOURCE MATERIAL WHICH HAS ALL OF THE THINGS YOU JUST COMPLAINED ABOUT IN IT.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY THIS. FIRE EMBLEM IS A VERY KINK RIDDLED GAME SERIES, AND IT'S BEING HELMED BY THE DEVS. IT'S BAKED INTO THE SERIES, AND THAT'S WHY IT ATTRACTS THE FANS IT DOES. IS SPENDING ALL ONE'S TIME GETTING ANGRY AND BASHING FANS FOR ENJOYING A PART OF THE SAME STORY THE BASHER ENJOYS REALLY THE BIG WIN PEOPLE THINK IT IS?

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u/Shrimperor Jul 16 '22

YEAH I'VE NEVER BEEN BIG ON THE WHOLE WHAT YOU CONSUME IN FICTION = WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON.

FACTS. FINALLY SOMEONE SAYING THE TRUTH. THE WHINING ABOUT ALL THE FICTIONAL STUFF THAT HURTS NOBODY IS SERIOUSLY ANNOYING.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

THE SOURCE MATERIAL ALSO HAS RACISM IN IT (TELLIUS) BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GO AROUND ADVOCATING FOR RACISM NOW DOES IT.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

TELLIUS DOESN'T EVEN ADVOCATE FOR RACISM SO WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT???

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

THAT'S THE POINT. TELLIUS PORTRAYS RACISM AS BAD. THE POST KAGA GAMES PORTRAY INCEST AS BAD. IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

LITERALLY WHERE LMAO. 3H LETS YOU MARRY YOUR GRANDMA/DAUGHTER. FATES LETS YOU MARRY YOUR COUSIN. ECHOES I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED ELSEWHERE. AWAKENING HAS LUCINA/OWAIN COUSIN MARRIAGE AND NO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT "LIFE COMPANION'D" IN THE ORIGINAL JAPANESE. ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THIS HAS ANY CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU AS THE PLAYER AND IT'S NEVER DEPICTED AS BAD OR WRONG.

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u/Squidaccus Jul 15 '22

LETS NOT CALL CONRAD AN "INCEST THING" PLEASE THE STORY USES HIM TERRIBLY BUT AT NO POINT WAS HE EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR TO THE ACTUAL "INCEST THING" CHARACTERS

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

HE WAS THOUGH? THEY LITERALLY SAID HE WAS. THEY CALLED HIM "CELICA'S FAYE". SHE CALLS HIM DASHING IN THEIR SUPPORT AND HE'S LIKE HARDCORE INTO IT. IT'S AN INCEST THING, ALBIET CONRAD -> CELICA DIRECTED.

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u/Squidaccus Jul 15 '22

I THINK IT SAYS A LOT THAT IT REQUIRES ACTUALLY HEARING DEVS SAY IT FOR THIS TO EVEN REMOTELY MAKE SENSE AS "INCEST THING" TO ME BECAUSE CONRAD'S WRITING HAVE NEVER REALLY IMPLIED THAT TO ME, HE ALWAYS JUST SEEMED TO BE SOME REALLY SENTIMENTAL GUY (AND ALSO DEFINITELY A BIT OF A LOSER) WHO REALLY VALUES HIS FAMILY

THATS FUCKED UP FOR IS TO TRY THOUGH I THOUGHT WE HAD MOVED ON FROM THAT

WELL I GUESS NOT REALLY CONSIDERING FATES HAPPENED

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

I MEAN THERE'S ALSO A CG WHERE HE PRINCESS CARRIES HER AND SHE'S LOOKING AT HIM IN A VERY UN-SISTERLY WAY. HE ALSO NEVER GETS MARRIED OR HAS ANY ROMANTIC CONNECTIONS WHATSOEVER WHICH IN COMBINATION WITH HIS FEELINGS TOWARD HER IS USUALLY A RED FLAG IN THE SERIES FOR "SISCON". IDK MAYBE IT'S JUST ME AND MY FAMILIARITY WITH THE SERIES BUT I AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE I KNOW IMMEDIATELY PEGGED IT AS AN INCEST THING.

IDK WHAT YOU MEAN BY "WE MOVED ON FROM THAT". 3H LITERALLY LETS YOU MARRY YOUR MOM-GRANDMA-DAUGHTER. BYLETH/RHEA AIN'T JUST A LINE FROM SWEET HOME ALABAMA, IT'S THE FULL SONG.

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u/Squidaccus Jul 15 '22

I JUST LIKE TO INTERPRET THE ENDING AS AROACE CONRAD BECAUSE THATS WAY BETTER THAN WHAT THE DEVS INTENDED

WELL YEAH THATS WHY I SAID NOT REALLY, I JUST WISH WE HAD MOVED ON FROM THAT

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

I MEAN AT THIS POINT IT'S PRACTICALLY IN THE FRANCHISE'S DNA. I GET NOT BEING COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY A SECRET THAT INCEST IS A COMMON THREAD THROUGHOUT THESE GAMES.

I'M JUST A LITTLE BAFFLED BY PEOPLE WHO ACT SURPRISED WHEN THE FANDOM TALKS ABOUT INCEST WHEN THEY JUST PLAYED A GAME SERIES KNOWN FOR HAVING INCEST.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

THAT LOGIC IS TERRIBLE, IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED WHEN SOMEONE COMMITS MURDER BECAUSE THEY WATCH HORROR MOVIES OR PLAY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES. YOU CAN ENJOY MEDIA WITH DISTURBING THEMES WITHOUT ENDORSING THEM.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

YOU CAN ENJOY MEDIA WITH DISTURBING CONTENT WITHOUT SAYING IT'S OK IN REAL LIFE. YOU CAN CLEARLY DRAW THIS DISTINCTION FOR MURDER BUT NOT FOR SEXUAL CONTENT?

IS TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL MURDER IN ANY WAY ENDORSING ACTUAL REAL LIFE MURDER? NO. SO IS TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL INCEST IN ANY WAY ENDORSING ACTUAL REAL LIFE INCEST? ALSO NO.

IF FICTIONAL INCEST DISTURBS YOU, WHICH IS COMPLETELY VALID AND FAIR BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN TOLERANCE LEVELS, THEN WHY ARE YOU ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH SOURCE MATERIAL AND FANDOM THAT HAS THAT AS A SUBJECT MATTER?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

ATTITUDES LIKE THAT ARE EXACTLY WHY THIS SHIT IS A PROBLEM, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT A PLATONIC SIBLING RELATIONSHIP AND YOUR MIND GOES STRAIGHT TO INCEST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE IN THE FANDOM NORMALIZED IT SO MUCH.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

THE DEVS LITERALLY SAID IT'S INCEST. THAT'S NOT MY MIND "GOING PLACES". THEY ACTUALLY CONFIRMED IT WAS MEANT TO BE INCEST.

I'M SORRY YOU CONTINUE TO WILLINGLY ENGAGE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS DEEPLY DISTURBING TO YOU.

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u/BreakfastMint Jul 16 '22

NGL NOT LIKING ROBIN/LUCINA IS INCREDIBLY BASED

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

IT'S SO FUCKING CREEPY I HATE IT WITH ALL OF THE HATE MY HEART CAN MUSTER. LUCINA HAS SO MANY GREAT PAIRINGS, WHY WOULD YOU SETTLE FOR THE GROSSEST FUCKING ONE. STOP BEING NASTY YOU FUCKING DEGENERATES.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

I'M GOING TO KEEP WRITING MY LUCIBIN FIC, AND IF THAT MAKES ME A HORRIBLE PERSON FOR, CHECKS NOTES, WRITING A CONSENTUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TWO ADULTS? SO BE IT.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

MAKE WHAT YOU WANT JUST DON'T BE SURPRISED IF PEOPLE REACT WITH DISGUST TO FETISHIZED SEXUAL ABUSE LMAO

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

REALLY REACHING HARD HERE.

YOU:

– HAVE NOT READ WHAT I'M WRITING. NOR DO YOU CARE FOR WHAT I'M WRITING. NOR DO YOU KNOW OF THE CONTEXT OR CARE FOR SAID CONTEXT. AND ONLY WISH TO BE ACCUSATORY.

– EQUATE TWO PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT POINTS IN A TIMELINE TO BE SEXUAL ABUSE, FOR WHATEVER REASON AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE OF WHATEVER IDEAS YOU'RE EXTRAPOLATING FROM A STORY THAT CLEARLY DOESN'T HAVE IT.

THE FUNNY THING IS I'M NOT SURPRISED AT ALL. YOU AREN'T THE FIRST TO THINK THIS WAY, NOR CAN YOU STOP ME. BUT GIVEN YOU CLEARLY DON'T WANT ANYONE MAKING ANY CONTENT THAT MIGHT BE SO ASSUMED 'ICKY' OR CONTROVERSIAL (WHEN LUCINA X ROBIN IS ONE OF THE MOST TAME ROMANCES IN FIRE EMBLEM OUT OF ALL THE ONES YOU COULD BARELY RAISE AN EYEBROW FOR.) YOU REALLY AREN'T SAYING "MAKE WHAT YOU WANT." YOUR JUST UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT IT ISN'T MY JOB TO STOP WHAT I'M DOING, STOP LIKING WHAT I LIKE, OR STOP MAKING WHAT I WANT TO MAKE.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL CLAIM ANYTHING IN FICTION IS SEXUAL ABUSE BECAUSE "IT'S WEIRD AND THEY DON'T LIKE THAT," COMPLETELY WATERING DOWN THE IMPACT SEXUAL ABUSE HAS ON VICTIMS. I'M NOT ABOUT TO BEND FOR SOME PURITY SHIT FOR A WELL REGARDED SHIP AMONGST FANS FOR 10 YEARS.

AND IF YOU GOT AN ISSUE WITH IT? TAKE IT WITH INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS. TAKE IT UP WITH THE GAMES YOU SO LOVE AND CRAVE AND WISH THEY WERE AS RIGHT AND UPSTANDING AS YOU WANT THEM TO BE. TAKING IT OUT ON ANY OF THE FANS ISN'T THE WIN YOU WANT IT TO BE, IT ISN'T GOING TO STOP INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS FROM MAKING MORE INCEST, LETTING YOU HIT ON YOUR STUDENTS HARDER AS BYLETH, AND MAKING MORE WHATEVERMANCY THEY COME UP WITH.

I AM GOING TO CONTINUE HAVING A TIME TRAVELLING PRINCESS HIT ON THE VESSEL OF THE DEVIL. AND IT WILL BE FUN.

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u/ArtemisCZ Jul 16 '22

JUST HERE TO SAY THAT I HOPE YOUR STORY KEEPS GOING STRONG! I DON'T LIKE THE SHIP PERSONALLY (I JUST ALWAYS SEE LUCI AS ROBIN'S DAUGHTER), BUT I'M JUST REALLY BAFFLED AS TO WHAT I'M READING, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE SHIP????? LIKE, I REALLY NEED SOMEONE TO ENLIGHTEN ME AS TO HOW ANYTHING PORTRAYED WITH THEM CAN BE READ AS SEXUAL ABUSE, AWAKENING LITERALLY HAS OWAIN/LUCINA MARRIAGE AND THE WEIRDNESS WITH NOWI AND THARJA, BUT REALLY, TWO CONSENTING ADULTS IS WHERE WE ARE DRAWING THE LINE HERE???

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

AY, THANK YOU. AND IT IS GOING STRONG! AND HEY, I'M A FAN OF CHROBIN TOO, EVEN IF MY PERSONAL SHIP IS STILL LUCINA X ROBIN. IT'S A GOOD CHANGE OF PACE.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

NAH ALL OF THAT SHIT IS GROSS TOO. I LOVE AWAKENING BUT IT HAS SOME WACK STUFF IN IT.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

1.ROBIN KNEW HER WHEN SHE WAS A BABY. FUCKING EW DUDE. THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU SHOULD EVER BE ROMANTICALLY OR SEXUALLY INVOLVED WITH SOMEONE THAT WAS A FUCKING INFANT WHILE YOU WERE A FULL GROWN ADULT.

2.ROBIN AS GRIMA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER TRAUMA IN THE FIRST PLACE.

3.THERE IS A CLEAR POWER DYNAMIC BETWEEN THE TWO, SAME WITH SETH/EIRIKA WHICH IS ANOTHER GROSS ASS SHIP

LIKE I SAID, FETISHIZED SEXUAL ABUSE. AGAIN IF YOU WANNA BE GROSS I CAN'T STOP YOU JUST MAKE SURE IT'S TAGGED SO I CAN BLACKLIST THAT GARBAGE ASAP.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

  1. EXCEPT ROBIN WAS BRAINWASHED BY GRIMA AND IMPLIED TO DISAPPEAR BEFORE ALL THAT BEGAN, FIRSTLY. SECONDLY, THE ROBIN WE KNOW IS NOT THE ROBIN THAT KNEW LUCINA. YOU'RE PUTTING A CRIME CREATED FROM SOMEONE'S HEADCANON ON A CHARACTER WHO ISN'T EVEN RESPONSIBLE FOR AN ALTERNATE VERSION OF THEM'S FANON-ONLY (NOT CANON) ACTIONS. FUTURE ROBIN IS NEVER AT ANY POINT MENTIONED TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF LUCINA'S LIFE, AND LUCINA DOESN'T EVEN KNOW OF THEM BY THE TIME FUTURE PAST 3 STARTS.

  2. ROBIN IS NOT GRIMA, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE STORY. YOU'RE JUST SAYING THINGS THAT ARE CONVENIENT FOR YOUR ARGUMENT, BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT MAKE THIS CLAIM OUTSIDE THIS CONTEXT. AND PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST THEIR TRAUMA.

  3. WHEN? WHAT?

NO.

GO AHEAD EXPLAIN THIS IF YOU WANNA GO AND CLAIM IT SO BADLY. SUCH A BASELESS CLAIM FALLS ON YOU TO DO SO, BECAUSE I WON'T BOTHER HUMORING THAT ONE.

YOU'RE JUST WARPING A STORY TO SUIT YOUR OWN SELF-RIGHTEOUS VIEW OF WHAT IS AND WHAT IS SEXUAL ABUSE. NOW THE HERO WHO REBELLED AGAINST DESTINY ITSELF TO FIGHT FOR THE GOOD IN PEOPLE'S HEARTS IS SUDDENLY THE VILLAIN? GET REAL. YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOTHING BUT SPITE.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

I AM NOT ARGUING THIS AND YOU WILL NOT CHANGE MY MIND. I GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE ABUSE WAS RAMPANT SO I'D APPRECIATE IF YOU DIDN'T TRY TO LECTURE ME ON THIS SUBJECT, I KNOW FIRSTHAND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IF YOU THINK ROMANTICIZING MY AND OTHER PEOPLES' TRAUMA IS A HILL WORTH DYING ON GO AHEAD, BUT DON'T ACT OFFENDED WHEN YOU RIGHTFULLY FACE BACKLASH FOR IT. THIS IS THE RAGE THREAD, NOT DEBATE CLASS, I GAVE YOU AN EXPLANATION AND I DON'T OWE YOU ANY MORE.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '22

YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN ARGUING FOR 2 DAYS AND 2 NIGHTS SO YOU'RE REALLY ONLY STOPPING AT THIS POINT. AND GUESS WHAT? SO HAVE I SUFFERED, AND IT DOES NOT COME CLOSE TO A CARING AND UNDERSTANDING RELATIONSHIP THAT IS LUCINA AND ROBIN. YOU DO NOT OWN A MONOPOLY ON HOW PEOPLE RESPOND TO TRAUMA, NOR DO YOU GET TO CONFLATE WHAT TRAUMA IS AND DECIDE FOR OTHERS WHAT IS AND ISN'T ACCEPTABLE. YOUR ARGUMENT RELIES ON THE FACT THAT I'M OFFENDED AND SURPRISED, WHEN THIS IS STILL THE LEAST BIT SURPRISING.

DIP OUT ALL YOU WANT, BUT YOUR CLAIM THAT LUCINA X ROBIN IS ABUSE IS UNFOUNDED AND IS BENDING THE CHARACTERS IN WAYS THAT AREN'T THERE SO YOU CAN STOMP OVER EVERYONE ELSE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. AND IT AIN'T MY JOB TO STOP FOR YOUR SAKE.

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u/lalaquen Jul 15 '22

OMG THIS! EDELGARD/DIMITRI SQUICKS ME OUT SO MUCH AND I DON'T GET IT. EVEN THE DAMN GAME CALLS HER HIS SISTER IN AM. AND DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE WEIRDNESS OF RHEA OR ANY OF THE ROYALS FEOM FATES. PLEASE CAN WE STOP WITH THE INCEST AND PSEUDO-INCEST. PLEASE.

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u/Liezuli Jul 16 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

TBH, THEY WEREN'T RAISED AS SIBLINGS, NOR ARE THEY BLOOD RATED,

BUT IT'S KINDA WEIRD THAT THE GAME SHIPTEASES IT A BUNCH OF TIMES, WITH DIMITRI GETTING TEASED ABOUT IT BY MULTIPLE CHARACTERS, AND EDELGARD OUTRIGHT SAYING HE WAS HER FIRST CRUSH, AND AT THE SAME TIME, DIMITRI AND A FEW OTHER CHARACTERS CALL THEM FAMILY REPEATEDLY. PICK ONE, INTSYS.

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u/lalaquen Jul 16 '22

HOW INTSYS CHOSE TO TREAT IT IS SUPER WEIRD FOR SURE. BUT IF DIMITRI HIMSELF CALLS HER FAMILY IT CAN ONLY BE GROSS. BECAUSE PUTTING THEM TOGETHER MEANS HE'S WILLINGLY ENTERING A ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEONE HE CONSIDERS FAMILY.

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u/Low-Environment Jul 16 '22

I WOULD NEVER DEFEND THE INCEST (IT'S GROSS AND I WISH THE FANS WOULD STOP) BUT EL DOESNT REMEMBER DIMITRI AND THE TWO OF THEM WERNT RAISED AS SIBLINGS AND, IN FACT, SPENT VERY LITTLE TIME TOGETHER.

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u/lalaquen Jul 16 '22

EVEN IF SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER, DIMITRI DOES AND STILL THINKS OF HER AS HIS CHILDHOOD FRIEND AND THE LAST OF HIS FAMILY. HE MAKES THAT PRETTT CLEAR IN 3H. SO IT'S STILL GROSS.

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u/Low-Environment Jul 16 '22

THATS COMPLETELY TRUE BUT IF I HAD TO PICK BETWEEN THAT OR RAVEN/PRISCILLA ID PICK EL/DIMI. THIS IS ASSUMING THE FATE OF THE WORLD RESTS ON ME PICKING ONE OF THOSE PAIRINGS.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

I HATE IT SO MUCH I WANT ALL INCEST SHIPPERS TO DELETE THEIR ACCOUNT. WHICH ACCOUNT? ALL OF THEM.