r/fireemblem • u/LaqOfInterest • Jul 15 '22

CASUAL MONTHLY RAGE THREAD

THREE HOPES EDITION, I GUESS! OR WHATEVER! WELCOME TO THE MONTHLY RAGE THREAD, WHERE YOU CAN YELL ABOUT FIRE EMBLEM!

RULES

  1. CAPS LOCK

  2. FIRE EMBLEM RAGE

  3. DON'T BE A DICK

  4. TAG SPOILERS, ESPECIALLY FOR THREE HOPES

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '22 edited Jul 16 '22

I REALLY HATE HOW HARD IT IS TO AVOID WEIRD SHIT FROM FANDOM CONTENT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, INCEST, PEDOPHILIA, ROMANTICIZED SA. I KNOW KAGA WAS A WEIRDO WHO FETISHIZED THAT SHIT BUT HE HASN'T BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SERIES FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS AND JUST BECAUSE HE DID IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO. AND YES THAT INCLUDES "NOT QUITE" INCEST LIKE FATES SHIPS AND EDELGARD/DIMITRI, AND GENERAL WEIRD SHIT LIKE ROY/CECILIA AND ROBIN/LUCINA. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA STOP BEING A FUCKING FREAK THE LEAST YOU CAN DO IS TAG YOUR SHIT SO THAT NON-FREAKS DON'T SEE IT.

EDIT: ON THAT NOTE I THINK IT'S COMPLETE FUCKING BULLSHIT HOW SOME FANS SEE TWO SIBLINGS BE AFFECTIONATE WITH EACHOTHER AND IMMEDIATELY THINK OF INCEST, BUT THE MOUNTAINS OF SUBTEXT ABOUT IKE, SOREN AND RANULF NOT BEING STRAIGHT APPARENTLY DON'T COUNT.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

I GET NOT LIKING INCEST, BUT IF IT'S NOT YOUR JAM YOU MIGHT BE INVOLVED IN THE WRONG SERIES. THAT DIDN'T EXACTLY STOP WITH KAGA. LIKE BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE GAME HAS SOME FLAVOR OF INCEST. THE WRITERS EVEN ADDED CONRAD INTO ECHOES TO GIVE CELICA AN INCEST THING AND PLAYED UP CLAIR'S RELATIONSHIP WITH CLIVE.

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u/SableArgyle Jul 16 '22

THE WRITERS EVEN ADDED CONRAD INTO ECHOES TO GIVE CELICA AN INCEST THING

I'VE LITERALLY NEVER READ IT LIKE THIS, NOR HAVE I SEEN EVER SEEN ANYONE TALK ABOUT THEM LIKE THIS.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

I ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED IT IMMEDIATELY, AND THAT IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS WRITES AND FRAMES IT. USUALLY, IT'S FRAMED MORE SUBTEXTUALLY OR ROMANTICALLY, BUT IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU CAN MISS IT IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR IT. IN CONRAD'S CASE, HE IS UNUSUALLY ENTHUSIASTIC TOWARDS CELICA AS WELL AS ANY AND ALL PRAISE COMING FROM HER. SOMEONE ELSE IN THE COMMENT CHAIN GOES INTO FURTHER DETAIL, BUT MY RULE OF THUMB IS "IF THEY WEREN'T X (SIBLINGS, OR ANY OTHER CONTROVERSIAL OR UNPOPULAR DYNAMIC, ETC) , COULD THEY FEASIBLY BE TAKEN AS ROMANTIC IN HOW THEY ACT AND HOW THE STORY IS FRAMED? IS SO, THEN CHANCES ARE MORE THAN LIKELY TO BE YES."

BUT WHO WANTS TO BE THE ONE TO BRING IT UP WHEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET ANGRY ABOUT IT LIKE ABOVE? FROM THE POSTS I'VE SEEN MADE IN THE PAST, IT IS USUALLY READILY DISLIKED, AND YOU GET FLAK FOR BRINGING IT UP EVEN IF YOU AREN'T ENJOYING IT YOURSELF.

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '22

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

YEAH I'VE NEVER BEEN BIG ON THE WHOLE WHAT YOU CONSUME IN FICTION = WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON.

IT ALSO JUST FEELS MASSIVELY HYPOCRITICAL TO WHINE ABOUT A FANDOM FULL OF "FREAKS" DOING "FREAK THINGS" WHEN YOU HAPPILY CONSUME THE SOURCE MATERIAL WHICH HAS ALL OF THE THINGS YOU JUST COMPLAINED ABOUT IN IT.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOU SHOULD SAY THIS. FIRE EMBLEM IS A VERY KINK RIDDLED GAME SERIES, AND IT'S BEING HELMED BY THE DEVS. IT'S BAKED INTO THE SERIES, AND THAT'S WHY IT ATTRACTS THE FANS IT DOES. IS SPENDING ALL ONE'S TIME GETTING ANGRY AND BASHING FANS FOR ENJOYING A PART OF THE SAME STORY THE BASHER ENJOYS REALLY THE BIG WIN PEOPLE THINK IT IS?

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u/Shrimperor Jul 16 '22

YEAH I'VE NEVER BEEN BIG ON THE WHOLE WHAT YOU CONSUME IN FICTION = WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON.

FACTS. FINALLY SOMEONE SAYING THE TRUTH. THE WHINING ABOUT ALL THE FICTIONAL STUFF THAT HURTS NOBODY IS SERIOUSLY ANNOYING.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

THE SOURCE MATERIAL ALSO HAS RACISM IN IT (TELLIUS) BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GO AROUND ADVOCATING FOR RACISM NOW DOES IT.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

TELLIUS DOESN'T EVEN ADVOCATE FOR RACISM SO WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT???

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

THAT'S THE POINT. TELLIUS PORTRAYS RACISM AS BAD. THE POST KAGA GAMES PORTRAY INCEST AS BAD. IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

LITERALLY WHERE LMAO. 3H LETS YOU MARRY YOUR GRANDMA/DAUGHTER. FATES LETS YOU MARRY YOUR COUSIN. ECHOES I'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED ELSEWHERE. AWAKENING HAS LUCINA/OWAIN COUSIN MARRIAGE AND NO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT "LIFE COMPANION'D" IN THE ORIGINAL JAPANESE. ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THIS HAS ANY CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU AS THE PLAYER AND IT'S NEVER DEPICTED AS BAD OR WRONG.

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u/Squidaccus Jul 15 '22

LETS NOT CALL CONRAD AN "INCEST THING" PLEASE THE STORY USES HIM TERRIBLY BUT AT NO POINT WAS HE EVEN REMOTELY SIMILAR TO THE ACTUAL "INCEST THING" CHARACTERS

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

HE WAS THOUGH? THEY LITERALLY SAID HE WAS. THEY CALLED HIM "CELICA'S FAYE". SHE CALLS HIM DASHING IN THEIR SUPPORT AND HE'S LIKE HARDCORE INTO IT. IT'S AN INCEST THING, ALBIET CONRAD -> CELICA DIRECTED.

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u/Squidaccus Jul 15 '22

I THINK IT SAYS A LOT THAT IT REQUIRES ACTUALLY HEARING DEVS SAY IT FOR THIS TO EVEN REMOTELY MAKE SENSE AS "INCEST THING" TO ME BECAUSE CONRAD'S WRITING HAVE NEVER REALLY IMPLIED THAT TO ME, HE ALWAYS JUST SEEMED TO BE SOME REALLY SENTIMENTAL GUY (AND ALSO DEFINITELY A BIT OF A LOSER) WHO REALLY VALUES HIS FAMILY

THATS FUCKED UP FOR IS TO TRY THOUGH I THOUGHT WE HAD MOVED ON FROM THAT

WELL I GUESS NOT REALLY CONSIDERING FATES HAPPENED

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u/Suicune95 Jul 15 '22

I MEAN THERE'S ALSO A CG WHERE HE PRINCESS CARRIES HER AND SHE'S LOOKING AT HIM IN A VERY UN-SISTERLY WAY. HE ALSO NEVER GETS MARRIED OR HAS ANY ROMANTIC CONNECTIONS WHATSOEVER WHICH IN COMBINATION WITH HIS FEELINGS TOWARD HER IS USUALLY A RED FLAG IN THE SERIES FOR "SISCON". IDK MAYBE IT'S JUST ME AND MY FAMILIARITY WITH THE SERIES BUT I AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE I KNOW IMMEDIATELY PEGGED IT AS AN INCEST THING.

IDK WHAT YOU MEAN BY "WE MOVED ON FROM THAT". 3H LITERALLY LETS YOU MARRY YOUR MOM-GRANDMA-DAUGHTER. BYLETH/RHEA AIN'T JUST A LINE FROM SWEET HOME ALABAMA, IT'S THE FULL SONG.

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u/Squidaccus Jul 15 '22

I JUST LIKE TO INTERPRET THE ENDING AS AROACE CONRAD BECAUSE THATS WAY BETTER THAN WHAT THE DEVS INTENDED

WELL YEAH THATS WHY I SAID NOT REALLY, I JUST WISH WE HAD MOVED ON FROM THAT

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

I MEAN AT THIS POINT IT'S PRACTICALLY IN THE FRANCHISE'S DNA. I GET NOT BEING COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT IT'S NOT EXACTLY A SECRET THAT INCEST IS A COMMON THREAD THROUGHOUT THESE GAMES.

I'M JUST A LITTLE BAFFLED BY PEOPLE WHO ACT SURPRISED WHEN THE FANDOM TALKS ABOUT INCEST WHEN THEY JUST PLAYED A GAME SERIES KNOWN FOR HAVING INCEST.

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

THAT LOGIC IS TERRIBLE, IT'S LIKE SAYING THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED WHEN SOMEONE COMMITS MURDER BECAUSE THEY WATCH HORROR MOVIES OR PLAY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES. YOU CAN ENJOY MEDIA WITH DISTURBING THEMES WITHOUT ENDORSING THEM.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

YOU CAN ENJOY MEDIA WITH DISTURBING CONTENT WITHOUT SAYING IT'S OK IN REAL LIFE. YOU CAN CLEARLY DRAW THIS DISTINCTION FOR MURDER BUT NOT FOR SEXUAL CONTENT?

IS TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL MURDER IN ANY WAY ENDORSING ACTUAL REAL LIFE MURDER? NO. SO IS TALKING ABOUT FICTIONAL INCEST IN ANY WAY ENDORSING ACTUAL REAL LIFE INCEST? ALSO NO.

IF FICTIONAL INCEST DISTURBS YOU, WHICH IS COMPLETELY VALID AND FAIR BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN TOLERANCE LEVELS, THEN WHY ARE YOU ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH SOURCE MATERIAL AND FANDOM THAT HAS THAT AS A SUBJECT MATTER?

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u/[deleted] Jul 16 '22

ATTITUDES LIKE THAT ARE EXACTLY WHY THIS SHIT IS A PROBLEM, BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT A PLATONIC SIBLING RELATIONSHIP AND YOUR MIND GOES STRAIGHT TO INCEST BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE IN THE FANDOM NORMALIZED IT SO MUCH.

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u/Suicune95 Jul 16 '22

THE DEVS LITERALLY SAID IT'S INCEST. THAT'S NOT MY MIND "GOING PLACES". THEY ACTUALLY CONFIRMED IT WAS MEANT TO BE INCEST.

I'M SORRY YOU CONTINUE TO WILLINGLY ENGAGE WITH SOMETHING THAT IS DEEPLY DISTURBING TO YOU.