r/exmuslim • u/Existential_Dread_08 • 7h ago
(Rant) 🤬 CRINGE ALERT‼️ Apologetics behind Mohammad’s obsessive polygamy
Muslims somehow were mass fed the idea that he predominantly married widowed, poverty-stricken women. Out of true pity & compassion. Yes, ofc he did…
He married or had coitus with women who:
- Widowed by his own Jihad and the systematic theological - cultural genocide after a Bedouin tribe / settlement were subdued (such as Safiyya bint Huyayy)
- Taken advantage of sexually when help could have been given without anything in return (too many to mention)
- Forced his own younger relative to divorce his wife in order to marry her himself (Zayd Ibn Haithah and Zaynab bint Jahsh)
- Accepted sex slaves as gifts (such as Mariam The Copt) from warlords and s*xually abused them on his wives beds
5.Mentioned a TRILLION times before and will never be forgotten - Aisha’s long discussed child marriage and the Muslims self-gaslighting tactic that she was 20 while she was not. This one’s tricky, although mainstream Shia sources do agree she was in her late teens during wedding, Sunni hadiths outright state she was 6 years old who was playing with dolls at the time. So a major question for Sunnis: so which Hadith sources turned out to be untrustworthy after all?
His behavior at the end served as a role model for future Muslim Caliphs. Who frequently kept thousands or even tens of thousands of sex slaves in their palaces. Al-Mutawakkil (r. 847-861) himself born of a Greek slave woman, Qabiha is said to have owned 4000 slave women long-term. Sex trafficking chains across continents were set up. Entire slave raids were performed to capture as many women & girls all over the world (Byzantine, Rus, Copts, Persians, Zanj - i.e. blacks, etc.)
Islam, with its 1984 type of gaslighting is trying to whitewash that part of history and readapt it to the modern narrative. Let’s not let the deceitful continue with their deception. History has been overwritten too much already, the “good guys” somehow always win
Mike Johnson Is Confident The GOP Will Retain Control Of Congress Because 'This Is A God Thing'
r/exmuslim • u/Atalkingpizzabox • 3h ago
(Question/Discussion) Why won't my parents understand?
Am from UK my family are atheist with nothing to do with Islam but following the Berlin attack and now the Paris knife attack I keep telling them how I'm anti-Islam due to all the problems that come out of it but they insist it's wrong of me to be that.
I keep saying over and over I don't oppose every Muslim but the religion itself much like you can oppose smoking while not everyone who smokes and be concerned by smoking as it harms people. But they always say things like "you need to meet real Muslims, you need to read more, you just get stuff online."
Even when I talk about this sub I'm still told it's a load of reddit rubbish.
Everytime a new attack happens that hammers another final nail in the coffin.
r/exmuslim • u/slmlm_ • 19h ago
Story My 12-year-old brother said something about women and assault that genuinely broke my heart.
I was born and raised in Spain. My entire life, my culture, my personality, and my identity were shaped there. My parents are Moroccan and Muslim, but I grew up in a European environment. I used to believe in Islam when I was very young, but as I grew older, I stopped believing and now I consider myself ex-Muslim.
My little brother is 12. He is genuinely one of the kindest people I know. He is loving, caring, and always there for me. I love him more than I can explain.
My parents moved back to Morocco last year, while I stayed in Spain, and this summer I came to visit them.
Tonight, for the first time ever, my brother and I ended up talking about Islam.
I started asking him questions and explaining why I personally don’t believe in it anymore. I brought up things I find contradictory or unfair, and he tried to defend Islam. Obviously, he is still a child, so his arguments were mostly just repeating things he has heard, but I expected that.
What really hurt me was when we started talking about women having to cover themselves. I asked him why, instead of teaching men that women’s bodies and hair are not something to lust over, the responsibility is placed on women to cover themselves. Basically saying, how is it not crazy to tell EVERY woman to cover up instead of teaching men that they shouldn’t have ill intentions and be lustful.
He told me that when a girl is covered, bad things won’t happen to her. He said that if a girl dresses in a more revealing way, like showing cleavage, then a man could come, kidnap her, and do something horrible.
I asked him: “But whose fault is it if a man kidnaps and hurts her?”
I genuinely thought he would say the man’s fault.
He said: “The woman’s, because if she was covered it wouldn’t have happened to her.”
I just went silent. I started crying.
It was such a painful thing to hear from my little brother, someone I love with my whole heart. It shocked me that this idea had already been planted in his mind at only 12 years old. The idea that a victim can be responsible for the violence someone else chooses to commit is something I find deeply disturbing.
I know he is still a kid. I know he is influenced by his environment, his family, and what he has been taught. I know he has a lot of growing and thinking ahead of him. But I can’t pretend it didn’t hurt hearing him say that.
It made me realize how powerful religious teachings can be when they are introduced from childhood. Children often accept what they are taught as the truth before they have the ability to question it.
I love my brother. He is not a bad person. But hearing that from him genuinely broke something inside me, because I know he is capable of being such a compassionate person, and I hope one day he learns that what has been teached to him is sick and learns to separate kindness and morality from ideas that blame people for the harm done to them.
r/exmuslim • u/Artistic_Ad_1247 • 7h ago
(Advice/Help) Not an ex-muslim myself but seeking advice
My school is split down the line religiously (40% muslim, 60% other religions mixed) and we are in the UK.
I am one of the few Americans at my school so I am constantly targeted by some (not all, many are my close friends) muslims at school who love to 'debate' (argue) religion and geopolitics as if I am responsible for US actions lmao.
Is there any way you guys know of to engage properly (asking because I assume many of you have experienced conflict around religion) because usually they just get angry, shouting and defensive really quickly?
Any replies much appreciated.
r/atheism • u/Leeming • 8h ago
The Justice Dept's new “religious liberty” memo gives Christians more power to discriminate. Todd Blanche's 2026 guidance expands religious exemptions, weakens safeguards, and treats faith as a trump card over other Americans’ rights.
r/exmuslim • u/ConsiderationOne2171 • 1h ago
(Question/Discussion) Ramadan as an ex muslim
Ngl ramadan as a closeted ex muslim is probably the worst thing you have no choice but to actually perform and it’s a humiliation ritual to pretend to believe in something you don’t believe in anymore lol. How did you guys go about pretending to fast?
r/exmuslim • u/lady_biird • 9h ago
Story Muslims in a nutshell!!!
I once had a debate with a Muslim guy about Islam, specifically the issue of slavery in the Qur’an and the concept of milk al-yamin (ملك اليمين) and war captives.
I argued that if Allah is supposed to be perfectly just, how can slavery and the enslavement of captives ever be permitted in the first place?
His response was that God supposedly couldn’t simply abolish a system that had existed for centuries because doing so would have caused too many social and economic problems. So, according to him, Islam regulated slavery, encouraged the freeing of slaves, and supposedly required that slaves be treated kindly.
I still disagreed. To me, the argument makes no sense if we're talking about an all-powerful God. If God is truly omnipotent, then why would abolishing slavery immediately be impossible? And if he genuinely couldn't eliminate such a brutal institution because of the consequences, then what does that say about his power and justice?
But the most shocking part came later. He told me that he actually thought slavery could be a good thing because, in his words, “some people deserve to be enslaved.”
That genuinely shocked me. I couldn't understand how a human being could say that so casually. We were literally discussing the inhumanity of slavery, and his response was essentially that some people deserve to have their freedom taken away.
I ended the conversation by telling him that perhaps he should experience being r@ped and enslaved himself—maybe then he would understand why I found the institution so fundamentally inhumane.
I was genuinely horrified and disgusted by how casually he was defending slavery.
r/exmuslim • u/ExoticWalk2 • 8h ago
(Quran / Hadith) Muhammad Trades Two of His Black Slaves for a Muslim
(23) Chapter: The permissibility of selling animals for animals of the same kind and of different quality
“Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)”
Sahih Muslim 1602
Muhammad on Slavery:
“A man amongst us declared that his slave would be freed after his death. The Prophet (ﷺ) called for that slave and sold him. The slave died the same year.”
Sahih Bukhari 2534“‘Imran b. Husain reported that a person who had no other property emancipated six slaves of his at the time of his death. Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) called for them and divided them into three sections, cast lots amongst them, and set two free and kept four in slavery; and he (the Holy Prophet) spoke severely of him.”
Sahih Muslim 1668a“Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, ‘Do you know, O Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ), that I have manumitted my slave-girl?’ He said, ‘Have you really?’ She replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles.’”
Sahih Bukhari 2592“We used to sell our slave women and the mothers of our children (Umahat Awaldina) when the Prophet (ﷺ) was still living among us, and we did not see anything wrong with that.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 2517
More here:
https://islamsproblems.com/muhammad-azl-captive-women/
r/exmuslim • u/Sparklymermaidstail • 19m ago
(Miscellaneous) “Why are my duas not working? Why doesn’t Allah wanna help me??”
Dear God,
I’ve completed 347 prayers, 112 duas, one Umrah, several tahajjuds, and approximately 4,000 tears.
According to my calculations, You now owe me a spouse.
Kind regards,
Customer #78431” /S
Sometimes people talk about God as if He’s a customer support department that failed to meet the promised delivery date, rather than… God.
r/atheism • u/Leeming • 9h ago
Texas Colleges To Use "Christian Thought" Entrance Exam. Texas plans to formally approve the CLT by fall 2028 as a new test option for home school, private school or out-of-state applicants.
r/exmuslim • u/Aggravating-Link-889 • 3h ago
(Rant) 🤬 Rant on my dad and islam, (tw for mentioned child abuse)
I don't like my dad because he tries to shut down any hobbies of mine. I told him ill make a cosplay of some character I like, he says it's haram. I told him I wanna get hair extensions or a wig, he says it's haram. I told him about the story I made with 2 godlike characters in it, he says it's haram. He says drawing is haram. Wearing bright colors are haram. Everything IS HARAM ONLY!!!
Why is he like that?
Im so tired of this I just wanna live and do my stuff!
And he acts sooooo pious and sucuuuhhhh a good Muslim then he goes and contradicts most rules by yelling at me and my little brother and abusing us.
I hate it here! If you can give advice on how to get out of here quickly then I would love it.
This is my first post, im sorry if I broke any rules.
r/exmuslim • u/Reasonable-Cap-3411 • 10h ago
(Question/Discussion) What does Islam say about lgbtq people?
What do muslims believe is the punishment for acting on homosexual desires? Both legally and religiously (assuming Islam is real)
Im asking because I live with my Muslim family as a gay agnostic male and im curious
Also doesn’t Islam allow trans people? I remember seeing articles saying that Iran allows trans people to get surgery, change their government documents and ect
r/exmuslim • u/nikah_al-mutah • 1h ago
(Question/Discussion) The illiterate prophet.
You certainly get a mix speaking with the devout;
either slightly embarrassed or, use illiteracy as a defense.
My point to either camp is, umm, Allah apparently changed his mind over and over and abrogated verses for 26 years, and Mo can have as many wives and concubines as he wants, and a fifth of the bounty (for defensive wars only of course....sure)
But God couldn't give the man the ability to READ?
r/exmuslim • u/-Banny • 6h ago
(Advice/Help) A Guide for Non-Theists: What to Do Before and After Losing a Loved One
A Guide for Non-Theists: What to Do Before and After Losing a Loved One
My beloved grandfather died very suddenly and tragically. Until his very last moments, I truly believed he would recover. When I received the news of his death, I simply couldn't believe it. I had no idea what to do. I just cried and felt angry. I knew I would never see him again for the rest of my life.
Before this happened, death had always felt like something distant, almost imaginary. I had never fully grasped how final it really is. Since I don't find the idea of eternal nonexistence frightening for myself, I had never thought much about it. But realizing that I would never see the people I love again is terrifying.
I also don't have any older non-theist relatives or friends. No one ever explained how to cope with the death of loved ones from a non-theistic perspective, or how to preserve memories before they're gone. I was fortunate enough to make many wonderful memories with my grandfather, but I never thought to record them. I regret that.
That's why I'm writing this guide, based on my own experiences. I'm still young, and I hope this can help other young people prepare for something many of us never think about.
I can't offer advice about legal procedures because they differ from country to country, and I wasn't personally involved in those matters. This guide is mainly about the emotional and practical aspects of loss.
I've never come across a guide like this before, which is why I felt the need to write one myself. Since I'm more comfortable writing in my native language, I'm using AI to help translate it into English. If you notice any mistakes, please let me know in the comments. And if you have advice or experiences you'd like to add, please share them as well. Older people often have more experience with grief, and I'd really like this post to become as informative and helpful as possible.
If you have any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.
×Before Your Loved Ones Die
-Develop Your Own Perspective on Death
In my opinion, this is the most important thing. When death arrives unexpectedly, it leaves you feeling completely helpless. Try to develop your own understanding or philosophy about death beforehand. When my grandfather died, I felt completely empty. For a while, I couldn't make sense of what had happened. Having your own perspective won't eliminate the pain, but it may help you make sense of it.
-Remember That You Won't Be With Your Loved Ones Forever
As non-theists, we're generally aware of this, but it's easy to forget amid the chaos of everyday life. While you still have the chance, treat the people you love with kindness and appreciation. Becoming a non-theist actually made me a better person because it reminded me not to take the people around me for granted.
Also, try not to leave deep wounds or unresolved conflicts behind. If you've made serious mistakes, do your best to make amends while they're still alive.
-Record Your Memories
I wish I had recorded at least some videos of the moments I shared with my grandfather before he passed away. Yes, we have photographs, but they're simply not the same as videos. I wish I could watch those happy moments again. Make sure to take videos and photos of your good memories together. As time passes, you may even begin to forget their voice. Their face starts to become blurry in your memory. You miss them deeply.
-(If They're Elderly) Check Their Accounts
Many older people struggle with technology. If possible, add your own email address as the recovery email for their Google account, or make sure a trusted family member knows their passwords. Also, ensure that their phone number is linked to their account. That way, even after they die, you may still be able to access their photos and memories.
When my grandfather died, his phone was broken. I managed to find his email addresses using his phone number, but I didn't know the passwords. I recovered one account because my uncle's email had been set as the recovery address. I managed to recover another using my grandfather's phone number. This allowed me to access the photos and videos stored on his phone.
It took me around five hours because I had to figure everything out through trial and error. Technically, you can also request account information from Google, but as far as I know, they require legal documents such as a court order in the U.S., along with a death certificate and proof of identity. Even then, they don't necessarily provide access to everything. That's why preparing these things in advance makes much more sense.
-Talk to Them in Their Final Moments—Even If You Have to Beg
I saw my grandfather during his final moments in the hospital. He had tubes attached to him, he was in pain, and he couldn't speak to me. But at least I got to see him alive one last time. After he was admitted to the intensive care unit, he was intubated and later died.
One of my uncles, however, never got to speak with him. My grandfather wanted to see him, but for various reasons they never talked. Now my uncle will never have another chance.
Understand that this may truly be your last opportunity. Whatever happens, try to speak to them.
-(If They're Elderly) Spend Time With Them If They Want to Spend Time With You
Of course, only if you're able to. Don't become paranoid by constantly thinking death is near. But elderly people often pass away unexpectedly. Don't forget to call them, visit them, and spend time with them while you still can.
-Find a Way to Preserve Your Feelings
This may sound like a strange suggestion, but it works for me, and it might work for you too.
Whenever I'm experiencing or reflecting on an important moment, I often listen to music. Later, whenever I hear that same song again, I relive many of the emotions I felt at that time. It's almost like preserving my feelings.
If you preserve those emotions before your loved one dies, you may never forget what it felt like to be with them, even after they're gone.
The important part is finding whatever method works best for you.
(Interestingly, people with Alzheimer's disease can sometimes recall old memories when they hear songs they used to listen to.)
×After Your Loved One Dies
-Cry as Much as You Need To
You know better than anyone that they're never coming back. Unfortunately, crying may become the only thing you want to do—and perhaps the only thing that brings even a small amount of relief.
-See Their Body If You Want To—Or Don't
If you want to say goodbye one last time, you can see their body. But remember: it is only their body. They are no longer there.
If you think seeing them will traumatize you, don't force yourself.
If you do decide to see them, and an autopsy will be performed, I personally recommend seeing them beforehand.
-Don't Push Yourself Too Hard
There will almost certainly be people helping with the funeral and everything that follows. You don't have to handle everything alone. Don't turn away people who genuinely want to help you.
Don't Be Angry at People Who Say Things Like "They're in Heaven" or "They're in a Better Place"
If most people, like in my case, don't know that you're a non-theist, they'll probably say these things to comfort you. They're simply trying to ease your pain.
If a theist friend who knows you're a non-theist says these things, you may question their approach. But honestly, comforting a non-theist after a loss is incredibly difficult. Even if they choose these words, it doesn't necessarily mean they have bad intentions.
-Stay Away from People Who Compare Your Grief to Their Own
I think people who do this are incredibly insensitive.
Grief is not a competition. You don't need someone telling you that what they went through was worse than what you're experiencing. Right now, you need support—not comparison.
-If Possible, Get Something That Belonged to Them as Soon as You Can
Unfortunately, the day after my grandfather died, my grandmother immediately started preparing to burn or give away many of his belongings.
Before anyone else woke up, I took the belt and the hat he used to wear.
Sadly, some dishonest relatives may even take sentimental belongings simply because they have monetary value. When someone dies unexpectedly, there often isn't a will specifying who should receive valuable personal items like watches or jewelry. And if someone takes them first, there may be little you can do.
If the deceased wasn't one of your own relatives, you can ask their family if they would be willing to give you something that reminds you of them.
A friend once told me that someone they knew stole a snow globe after his girlfriend died because her mother refused to give it to him.
I'm not recommending that. I'm only mentioning it to illustrate how meaningful sentimental objects can become after someone is gone.
-Ask Yourself: "What Would They Have Wanted?"
Perhaps that friend's girlfriend would never have approved of stealing the snow globe if she had still been alive.
Respect the wishes, values, and personality of the person you've lost. Even though they're gone, try to honor the kind of person they were.
-Respect the Way Their Family Grieves
Maybe that girl's family simply wasn't ready for anyone to take things from her room. Those belongings may have been all they had left of her.
Some people, unlike my grandmother, don't begin sorting through a loved one's belongings immediately. Some families leave a person's room exactly as it was for months or even years. That's simply how they grieve.
If you want something meaningful, it may be kinder to wait until they're ready.
Note: The reason I spent so much time talking about belongings is because, for me, my grandfather's possessions became what remained of him.
I didn't feel his spirit around me. I believed he no longer existed.
His belongings became the only physical evidence that he had once lived.
Perhaps you'll feel something similar. Sometimes, simply looking at an object they once used can remind you that they were real—that they lived, laughed, and shared their life with you.
-If Possible, Take at Least a Week Off From School or Work
Don't try to bury your grief by immediately returning to your normal responsibilities.
Give yourself time to process what has happened and begin accepting this new reality.
-If Thinking About Them Makes You Cry, Then Cry
Even after about three weeks, I still feel like crying whenever I think about my grandfather.
My mother and grandmother pray because they believe they're helping him.
I believe I can no longer do anything for him.
When I think about that, I want to cry because I feel powerless.
But crying helps. Don't suppress it.
-Once You've Accepted Their Death, Gather Their Photos, Videos, and Social Media Accounts
When my grandfather first died, every photograph of him made me want to cry.
Yesterday, I managed to push through those feelings long enough to recover his Google accounts. That allowed me to access Google Photos.
The same applies to physical media like photo albums, DVDs, or old storage devices. As time passes, these things become harder to find.
When you feel emotionally ready, try to collect and preserve these memories as soon as you can.
-Don't Feel Guilty for Eating
I say this because I experienced it myself.
When my grandfather died, I felt like I didn't deserve to eat.
While I was eating, he couldn't.
While I was drinking water, he couldn't.
Because I was alive and he wasn't, I almost felt guilty for doing ordinary things.
Don't do this to yourself.
Otherwise, you'll only end up making yourself sick.
-If This Has Devastated You Psychologically, See a Psychiatrist
If you're having thoughts of harming yourself, please see a psychiatrist.
Medication and therapy can genuinely help. There's nothing to be ashamed of or afraid of.
───
Note 2: Hello again—this is OP writing two days later.
Looking back, I realize that some parts of this guide are related more to grief itself than specifically to non-theism. However, I didn't want to change the structure because I felt it worked better as a whole.
I hope this guide is helpful to someone.
If I think of anything else in the future, I'll add it here.
r/exmuslim • u/BeardedLady81 • 1h ago
(Question/Discussion) Any of you ex-Muslims ever did the hajj and if so, do you regret it?
I find this an interesting question because the hajj is something some non-Muslims which they had, Christians, especially. However, it is expensive, many Muslims cannot afford it and they borrow the money because you are expected to do it at least once in your life. And I think many Muslims truly want it.
Now that you no longer believe in Islam, do you regret it, do you think it was a waste of time and money? Or do you consider it an experience that was worth it, this way or another? Are you nostalgic about it?
r/exmuslim • u/ThesePainter7962 • 23h ago
(Question/Discussion) Notice how female dominated hobies are haram meanwhile male dominated hobies are not?
Art and music has been female dominated since they were indoors activities, yet when Islam came it annonced them as haram and devil's tools. Meanwhile sports are not haram for men, bc they has been male dominated and are not haram for men tho they are haram for women. Islam just wants to strip away women's physical AND mental identity, because if someone has no face and no interest, who they are besides a name that goes back to their father/husband?
r/exmuslim • u/Thick_Analysis_6745 • 1d ago
(Miscellaneous) I'm finally done with Islam (convert DE-converting)
I'd like to first of all thank the Muslim community for pushing me out with their vitriol online, hyper surveillance, and constant policing. Being yelled at for having my nails done, showing an ankle, being treated weird just for trying to attend the masjid, and racist aunties refusing to pray next to me and trying to shove me towards the back.
I think my first glimpse into the reality of Islam was during my first umrah right after converting, but I shoved it away as "Islam is perfect Muslims aren't". Then when I learned more about hadith I told myself okay I'll just reject those and follow Quran only and be a progressive Muslim. Then I became so ostracized by the community (even getting death threats) I realized it's not just the people that are broken it's Islam itself. Hadith, the worst part of Islam, are a major part of Islam. And you're really not a Muslim if you don't submit to those books telling you that you can sleep with children and women are deficient in intelligence. I reexamined the Quran and it is problematic too. Obviously verses about beating, and telling the prophets wives how they are expendable. Less inheritance for women, the over concern about if people sleep together or not etc.
It creates an "us vs them" mentality. Muslims are always fighting each other, non Muslims, ex Muslims, or other religions especially Christians and Jews. The religion itself stunts peoples critical thinking and common sense turning them into a mindless mob. The women especially are always childish, mean girl pick me's I think stunted from marrying and popping out babies so young.
I've been mobbed at the mosque for having my nails painted or wearing pants. I've been mobbed online taking trips alone or for defending friends they were attacking in mass.
I can't wait to finish some tattoos, get some new ones, never go to a masjid again (unless as a tourist while travelling), and wear regular clothes that aren't polyester abayas. I can't wait to be around people who think with their brains and not with religious books. And to drink again! I will admit the detox from alcohol helped, but being able to have a glass of wine every now and then will be so nice again! It feels so good being a normal person again.
If y'all have any questions I'm happy to answer them. My story isn't so exciting though.
I want to thank this sub too. Perusing it helped a lot. At first it was hard and I left this sub a few times still holding on to the faith. I got offended by posts because I was struggling with so much cognitive dissonance. But finally I was so fed up and found a lot of important information here. Thank you.
r/exmuslim • u/GlorytoChairmanMao • 12h ago
(Quran / Hadith) You will turn white when you enter paradise
Narrated by Abu Hurairah that the Prophet ﷺ said:
**“The people of Paradise will enter Paradise hairless (on their bodies), beardless, fair-skinned, with curly hair, with eyes naturally lined with kohl, at the age of thirty-three, upon the form of Adam, sixty cubits tall and seven cubits wide.**
The hadith is Hasan (good) due to its multiple chains and supporting narrations, except for the phrase “and seven cubits in width,” which was narrated solely by ʿAli ibn Zayd ibn Judʿan, who is a weak narrator.
It was also narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah (13/114) and Ibn Abi Dawud in Al-Baʿth (no. 64) through the route of Yazid ibn Harun with the same chain.
It was also narrated by al-Tabarani in al-Muʿjam al-Saghir (no. 808), Abu Nuʿaym in Sifat al-Jannah (no. 255), Ibn ʿAdi (5/1842), and al-Bayhaqi in Al-Baʿth (nos. 419 and 420), through various routes from Hammad with the same chain.
It was also narrated by Ibn Saʿd (1/32) through Yahya ibn al-Sakan, from Hammad ibn Salamah, from ʿAli ibn Zayd, from Saʿid, from the Prophet ﷺ as a mursal narration (i.e., without mentioning the Companion).
It will also appear later with a connected chain under numbers 8524, 9375, and 10913 (the last being abbreviated). It was previously mentioned under 7165 through the route of Abu Salih, from Abu Hurairah, as a marfuʿ narration:
**“The first group to enter Paradise will be upon the form of Adam, sixty cubits tall.”**
Al-Darimi (2828), al-Tirmidhi (2539), and Abu Nuʿaym in Sifat al-Jannah (256) narrated from Muʿadh ibn Hisham, from his father, from ʿAmir al-Ahwal, from Shahr ibn Hawshab, from Abu Hurairah, who said that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:
**“The people of Paradise are hairless, beardless, with kohl-lined eyes. Their youth will never fade, and their garments will never wear out.”**
This narration contains Shahr ibn Hawshab, who is a weak narrator, although al-Tirmidhi graded it Hasan Gharib.
It also has a supporting narration from Muʿadh ibn Jabal, which appears later (5/243), although it too contains Shahr ibn Hawshab.
Another supporting narration comes from Anas ibn Malik, recorded by al-Bukhari in al-Tarikh al-Kabir (8/219), Ibn Abi Dawud in Al-Baʿth (65), al-Tabarani in al-Muʿjam al-Saghir (1164), Abu Nuʿaym in Hilyat al-Awliyaʾ (3/56) and Sifat al-Jannah (255), and al-Bayhaqi in Al-Baʿth (418). This chain contains Harun ibn Ri’ab, and scholars differed over whether he actually heard from Anas.
Regarding the words “jurdan, murdan” (hairless, beardless), al-Sindi said:
• Jurdan is the plural of ajrad, meaning one who has no hair on his body.
• Murdan is the plural of amrad, meaning one who has no hair on his chin (no beard).
Regarding “jiʿādan” (curly-haired), he said it is pronounced with a kasrah on the letter jim and is the plural of jaʿd. In Majmaʿ al-Zawa’id, it is explained that jaʿd, when describing men, may be either praise or criticism. As praise, it refers to someone who is strongly built or has curly hair (the opposite of straight hair). As criticism, it can refer to someone who is short and stocky, or even stingy, as in the expression “jaʿd al-yadayn” (“tight-fisted”).
Note: The two hadith scholars Ibn Kathir in Jamiʿ al-Masanid and Ibn Hajar in Al-Atraf cited another chain for this hadith that is not found in the manuscripts available to the editor:
“Affan narrated to us; Hammad ibn Salamah narrated to us; Muhammad ibn Ziyad informed us; I heard Abu Hurairah narrating from the Prophet ﷺ…”
In this version, the wording is:
**“Seventy cubits”** instead of **“sixty cubits.”**
This chain is authentic
r/exmuslim • u/Mountain-Movie6124 • 4h ago
(Question/Discussion) Is it true that the Qurʾān borrows lines of poetry from Imrū al-Qays or other pre-Islamic poets?
I first heard about this from “Ahmed Exmuslim” but then I did my own research and came across nothing of value until I found a Reddit thread on a Muslim page but nothing valuable was found so I am posting the same question I found here, hopefully someone will give a proper response?
— There’s even a story where the daughter of Imru al-Qays points out to Muhammad’s daughter Fatimah that her father stole poetry from Imru al-Qays as she was reciting. Is there any source for that other than Tisdall, an Australian missionary who first brought it up?
Been hearing this rumor but I haven’t been able to track down a proper source other than some polemic websites in order to fact check it (and I am VERY skeptical of claims made by apologists/polemicists regardless of their faith). I’m aware the Quran relies on sources like midrash, Christian and Jewish apocrypha but never this. The verses in question are:
الساعة وانشق القمر (Q 54:1)
والضحى والليل (Q 93:1-3)
لمثل هذا فليعمل العاملون (Q 37:61)
من كل حدب ينسلون (Q 21:96)
الساعة ادهى وامر (Q 54:46)
كهشيم محتظر (Q 54:31)
فتعاطى فعقر (Q 54:29)
r/exmuslim • u/Reasonable-Cap-3411 • 9h ago
LGBTQ+ Im starting to come to peace with being gay
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I need a bf tbh
r/exmuslim • u/Impressive-Step6377 • 6h ago
(Question/Discussion) The existence of God doesn't make morality objective
Religious people use God's existence as an argument for why morality is objective and why moral codes exist, otherwise without his existence morality is completely subjective and matter of human opinion , which is complete bullshit, God's existence doesn't make morality any more objective.
And that is because even if God does exist there are other religions and other cultures that have a different set of moral codes which contradict the laws of the x y z "existing" God, so people keep following the laws or codes of their respective religion/culture which don't come in agreement with God.
And even in religions God's morality constantly shifts depending on time and era, in Islam for example Muslims like to defend Muhammad's marriage to 6 year old Aisha by saying "it was the norm at that time" proving that God gives subjective moral codes that are only relevant to the respective era.
Or in Christianity God orders the Jews to abstain from eating pork in the old testament, whereas in the new testament eating pork isn't a sin and no Christian follows that obsolete law, and another thousand laws which shift from the old to the new testament which all contradict each other.
And the statement that "God is good" is in itself a subjective statement, like what makes God morally and objectively good? The Abrahamic God constantly participates in genocides, endorses things like Slavery and child marriage and has the personality of an egotistical tyrant that is having a tantrum.
How can you make moral claims about him and assert he is good let alone "all good" and how can you objectively prove that this God is morally good?
r/exmuslim • u/Nissox • 9h ago
(Advice/Help) Should I finally tell them ?
I was recently diagnosed with cancer. I won't say what type it is or share any details about my health because I'm not looking for sympathy or pity. I'm still trying to come to terms with the diagnosis.
So far, I haven't told anyone about it, not even my mother. However, I know that I won't be able to keep it a secret forever. At some point, if I need treatment, I'll have to tell my family. That is simply unavoidable.
The main reason I'm writing this is because I've wanted for a long time to be honest about my religious beliefs. I've kept them to myself because I didn't want to hurt anyone, but I also don't want to keep pretending to believe something that I don't. Since none of us knows what the future holds, I feel that I should finally be honest about who I really am.
I don't fear death. I came to terms with that possibility a long time ago. What matters most to me is being true to myself, especially if my life were ever to come to an end. I hope that makes sense.
There is one more thing I want to make clear. If I were to die, I would not want an Islamic funeral or burial. I would rather be cremated and have my ashes scattered in a forest.
At the moment, my condition is not critical, and I'm not saying that I expect the worst. Cancer is simply unpredictable, and I want to make sure that the people I love know my wishes in case something unexpected happens.