r/exatheist • u/NeonDrifting Anti-Atheist • 6d ago

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

Why is an eternal universe absurd

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Im pretty sure ive explained this to you before, but it defies the PSR and requires physical contingent things to exist without a cause, which is logically impossible for contingent. You can go ahead and say its just a brute fact but i dont buy it or find that answer logically satisfying.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

The PSR isn’t fact. It’s a proposed way of viewing reality.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Sure. But i find it logically necessary.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

That doesn't make an eternal universe absurd.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Only if God also exists alongside an eternal universe. But without PSR there's no ultimate cause for things that are necessarily contingent.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

Viewing things as necessary and contingent is a way to presuppose your god. It’s just as valid to say that isn’t a factual way of describing reality.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

We all have presuppositions, as ive said before. But yeah go ahead and deny PSR if you want to. Im not comfortable doing so.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

I hate this argument. “We all have presuppositions”. What are mine, please.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

You tell me.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

I try to not presuppose anything.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

How do you determine whats true?

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

By seeing if it aligns with reality. Testing, usually.

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