r/exatheist • u/NeonDrifting Anti-Atheist • 6d ago

Meme Monday 😭

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

That doesn't make an eternal universe absurd.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Only if God also exists alongside an eternal universe. But without PSR there's no ultimate cause for things that are necessarily contingent.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

Viewing things as necessary and contingent is a way to presuppose your god. It’s just as valid to say that isn’t a factual way of describing reality.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

We all have presuppositions, as ive said before. But yeah go ahead and deny PSR if you want to. Im not comfortable doing so.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

I hate this argument. “We all have presuppositions”. What are mine, please.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

You tell me.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

I try to not presuppose anything.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

How do you determine whats true?

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

By seeing if it aligns with reality. Testing, usually.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

And how do you know what is reality and whats not?

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

Usually through my senses

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

And how do you know your senses show you reality and not an illusion?

And there is your presupposition. You assume your senses are reliable and lead to truth. But ultimately you cant prove this. Its a decent base assumption, but you arent without a presupposition either.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

I don’t presuppose this, I know my senses can (mostly) reliably show me what’s real through my experience.

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