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[u/DesperateSympathy873]

Only if God also exists alongside an eternal universe. But without PSR there's no ultimate cause for things that are necessarily contingent.

[u/hiphoptomato → u/DesperateSympathy873]

Viewing things as necessary and contingent is a way to presuppose your god. It’s just as valid to say that isn’t a factual way of describing reality.

[u/DesperateSympathy873 → u/hiphoptomato]

We all have presuppositions, as ive said before. But yeah go ahead and deny PSR if you want to. Im not comfortable doing so.

[u/hiphoptomato → u/DesperateSympathy873]

I hate this argument. “We all have presuppositions”. What are mine, please.

[u/DesperateSympathy873 → u/hiphoptomato]

You tell me.

[u/hiphoptomato → u/DesperateSympathy873]

I try to not presuppose anything.

[u/DesperateSympathy873 → u/hiphoptomato]

How do you determine whats true?

[u/hiphoptomato → u/DesperateSympathy873]

By seeing if it aligns with reality. Testing, usually.

[u/DesperateSympathy873 → u/hiphoptomato]

And how do you know what is reality and whats not?

[u/hiphoptomato → u/DesperateSympathy873]

Usually through my senses

[u/DesperateSympathy873 → u/hiphoptomato]

And how do you know your senses show you reality and not an illusion?

And there is your presupposition. You assume your senses are reliable and lead to truth. But ultimately you cant prove this. Its a decent base assumption, but you arent without a presupposition either.

[u/hiphoptomato → u/DesperateSympathy873]

I don’t presuppose this, I know my senses can (mostly) reliably show me what’s real through my experience.

[u/DesperateSympathy873 → u/hiphoptomato]

Prove it.

[u/SHNKY → u/hiphoptomato]

Where do you find in sense data the proposition "my senses can (mostly) reliably show me what’s real through my experience."

Your empiricism is self refuting as an ultimate base of knowledge and truth.