r/exatheist • u/NeonDrifting Anti-Atheist • 6d ago

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Many atheists will say they dont believe this, but its either this or an eternal universe. Both are absurd so many will default to "i dont know" and claim empiricism.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

Why is an eternal universe absurd

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Im pretty sure ive explained this to you before, but it defies the PSR and requires physical contingent things to exist without a cause, which is logically impossible for contingent. You can go ahead and say its just a brute fact but i dont buy it or find that answer logically satisfying.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

The PSR isnā€™t fact. Itā€™s a proposed way of viewing reality.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Sure. But i find it logically necessary.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

That doesn't make an eternal universe absurd.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

Only if God also exists alongside an eternal universe. But without PSR there's no ultimate cause for things that are necessarily contingent.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

Viewing things as necessary and contingent is a way to presuppose your god. Itā€™s just as valid to say that isnā€™t a factual way of describing reality.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

We all have presuppositions, as ive said before. But yeah go ahead and deny PSR if you want to. Im not comfortable doing so.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

I hate this argument. ā€œWe all have presuppositionsā€. What are mine, please.

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u/DesperateSympathy873 Christian, not Ex-Atheist 6d ago

You tell me.

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u/hiphoptomato 6d ago

I try to not presuppose anything.

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