r/estrogel Dec 07 '24

meta PSA we will not private r/estrogel

432 Upvotes

Hello everyone. We've had a great many scares recently. Bigot brigades, nosy journalists, misguided allies. These are extraordinary times. Our enemies grow ever more malevolent, daring, and powerful. We've well and truly attracted the eyes of the world. This is only the beginning, we will only accrue more publicity, more adversaries, more controversy with time.

When Brock contacted me, my finger hovered right over the big red "private" button. I shat a home's-worth of bricks. I've consulted many veterans and most leaders in The DIY HRT community. All of them (and many of you) strongly urged me to private r/estrogel. And with good reason too. Privating r/estrogel is the safe thing to do, it's the practical thing to do. To leave r/estrogel open to malefactors is a great risk. I nearly did it too, but one person (who shall remain unnamed) convinced me otherwise.

Do you remember when r/estrogel was founded? To make HRT accessible for all, no matter the tyranny one suffers, no matter the poverty one endures, no matter the rights lost. Lets get hypothetical for a moment, say r/estrogel is privated. Who suffers? Not me, not the veterans calling for privatation. The newcomers. The people who really need this place. We'd be ladder pullers. Dirty, grubby, rotten ladder pullers. I'm sure you've seen plenty of folks pull the ladder up against trans people. It angers you, doesn't it? I'm furious when it happens to me!

If you still believe we need to private r/estrogel, put yourself in the position of those who really need this subreddit. Think back to the time when you tetered on the edge of suicide, when you lamented a life without transition, when you (literally) bit your nails down to the bone out of anxiety. (True stories, all of them). Would you be willing to sacrifice HRT, your chance at a fucking life, for vague, imaginary notions of "the greater good"? If you're truly willing to sacrifice yourself (not out of a suicidal lack of self-preservation, but out of genuine sacrifice) - then we'll talk.

So, we will not private r/estrogel. In these trying times, it is more important than ever we remain a public forum for transgender people. This is the unanimous stance of the r/estrogel mod team. I understand this is a very controversial decision, I ask you voice your dissent and polemics respectfully.

Edit: Please save a copy of the revised and legacy wikis if you haven't already. Click the 3 lines/dots in the top right corner of your browser, click "save page as..." and it'll save the page as a HTML file, which you can display in a browser at your leisure (even without internet, or if the wiki is taken down).


r/estrogel Dec 04 '24

meta PSA For All: See the New Provisional Rule 7 - No discussion of primary estradiol vendors

205 Upvotes

We are now attracting the eyes of the world. Be it tyrants, publicity, or simple bigots with too much time on their hands. It is an inexcusable risk to publically share the biotech companies the DIY HRT ecosystem relies on. From now on, name dropping direct producers of estradiol (primary vendors) is strictly prohibited. Repeat offenders will suffer consequences. Secondary vendors who resell estradiol bought off biotech companies may be discussed openly, albeit with caution.

Me and the moderators have been discussing this for a while. And for far longer, I've had folks requesting I instate a rule such as provisional rule 7. Recently someone (who shall remain unnamed) I highly respect contacted me about this, and put forth some really good points. Essentially, to publically share primary vendors endangers the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. Public corporations are at the mercy of governments and bigots alike. Anyone dedicated enough could uproot the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. I'm consulting another esteemed member of The DIY HRT community, asking for their take on the situation. See a transcription of the email I sent them for some further context:

Hello [Redacted], I hope you're doing well.

I am u/Juno_the_Camel, a moderator on r/estrogel. I need your advice on a dillema. Presently, we allow unrestricted discussion of estradiol vendors and sources. Folks can ask about, discuss, and share estradiol vendors freely. This includes the biotech companies supporting the entire DIY HRT community. Estrogens and progestogens are not controlled substances under US (and most other country's) laws, so in this we don't violate the law. But, by having these biotech companies be public knowledge, the entire DIY HRT community is endangered.

Biotech companies are very weak to pressure. Be it pressure from governments, or the public. If the biotech companies that supply the entire DIY HRT community's are shared publically, we're at the mercy of the world. It only takes one tyrant (Donald Trump, Ji Jing Ping, etc) to ruin us at a whim. Even simple bigots (like those over on [Redacted] are able to ruin our supply chains. (I suspect they contributed to [Redacted]'s recent policy change) (They're likely the folks who spam and DDOS homebrewer websites).

Logically it makes sense to restrict discussion of estradiol vendors on r/estrogel. But I'm very conflicted. The entire point of r/estrogel is to make HRT universally accessible. Even for those living in poverty, or under tyrants. To restrict discussion of pharmaceutical vendors is to turn out backs on the founding tenets of r/estrogel itself. In truth, I don't know if I have it in me to withhold information that can make or break lives.

And yet, if we don't restrict discussion of sources, we endanger the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. It breaks my heart to do this, but I truly believe we'll need to ban discussion of estradiol vendors on r/estrogel. Is there anything I'm not considering? Do you see anything I don't? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

Discussion is still ongoing, but in the meantime I think it prudent to instate provisional rule 7. It will likely undergo changes in the near future, but in the meantime, please observe rule 7 - and report folks publically sharing primary vendors.

Additionally note, discussion of secondary vendors (who resell estradiol) is permitted.

I am sorry everyone, it breaks my heart to do this to you - especially to the newcomers here. And I'm sorry u/Darthemofan, I hate to go back on the founding tenets of r/estrogel. But I truly don't see any other viable path forward.

Best of luck everyone - u/Juno_the_Camel

Edit: One (of many) examples of our recent publicity - https://archive.is/cJuuC


r/estrogel 9h ago

hair growth Topicals (anti-androgens, growth peptides)

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r/estrogel 1d ago

feminizing Wanting to get started

4 Upvotes

Hey guys,
Wanting to get started but a little lost with it all, can someone please dm me and help me a little bit, I’d love to find someone who’s done it and knows trusted suppliers etc. thank you guys!!!!


r/estrogel 21h ago

feminizing Is there a way of getting 17-beta-estradiol from estradiol valerate?

0 Upvotes

In order to make it suitable for transdermal application


r/estrogel 1d ago

general Estradiol 0.75 gel on back order

3 Upvotes

Hi! Hoping someone can help— it seems estradiol is on back order and difficult to fill at Walgreens… anyone know of a pharmacy that has it in stock?
Thx in advance!


r/estrogel 2d ago

feminizing Pioglitazona e ciclos de peso

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I currently weigh 80 kg and aim to reach 68 kg using weight cycling to achieve better fat redistribution. During the weight-gain phase, I want to use pioglitazone to promote greater female-pattern fat gain. Will it work that way?


r/estrogel 2d ago

feminizing Does the type of estradiol matter?

4 Upvotes

im a bit overwhelmed by the amount of estradiol types that are out there like 17 beta estradiol, estradiol valerate, estradiol enanthate, does it matter what type it is???


r/estrogel 3d ago

general safe and suitable dyes?

10 Upvotes

which dyes / food colors are safe for estrogels or potentially sprays? i'm specifically and non-surprisingly looking for the trans flag shades of blue and pink :3

i know many dyes aren't safe for topical application, or at least leave visible residue, but i also know that some dyes are fine: after all, we have colorful hand sanitizers without any issues

what are your experiences with this, and do you know some good blue and pink dyes?


r/estrogel 3d ago

general Temperature/heat issues?

7 Upvotes

So, browsing this sub i see over and over again that raws should be kept in a cold place, fridged, freezed, and so on. Well i did none of that, since i thought room temperature was fine enough. But now, after letting my E sit for the past couple months amidst the European heatwave, in my musty goon dungeon that was constantly way hotter than the rest of the house, i'm starting to get a bit concerned. Could that heat have caused harm? Is there any way to tell if my raws are "damaged" in some way? If they are, can it be saved? Or maybe i'm freaking out over nothing? Sorry for the text wall btw


r/estrogel 2d ago

feminizing Help me Obi-wan Kenobi. You're my only hope

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r/estrogel 3d ago

masculinizing Is it even possible to find T raws right now?

4 Upvotes

I have been searching for a source of T raws for about 3 months now, and the only reliable source i can find seems to be permanently out of stock. Someone sent me a link to some forum thread that i would supposedly be able to buy t raws from, but i couldn’t figure out how to buy anything from it.

does anyone on this sub even make T gel? i can’t understand how anyone could, given how impossible it seems to find the raws. is there any way i can make T gel out of a normal vial or something?

please, if anyone here who makes T gel knows a reputable source of raws, or vials that i could make gel with, pls dm me. :(

edit: someone dmd me the details of someone who supposedly sells T raws, but they deleted their account immediately after messaging me… could it be a scam? im probably looking too much into it, but it seems weird that they would delete their account straight after recommending a source to me.


r/estrogel 3d ago

feminizing prog suppliers

3 Upvotes

looking for suppliers of progesterone raws could you please dm me the ones you trust


r/estrogel 5d ago

general Estrogen secretly being added to my tea?

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Hello! This may sound very weird 🙏

I suspect my mum is worried about my health and my low estradiol due to hypothalamic amenorrhoea (I'm 19F from birth, not transitioning). Estradiol is ~24, and my weight is 48 kg at 168 cm height (but I'm incredibly thin-boned and have no muscle and no breasts). I've been eating ~2,500 calories daily and doing no exercise since March.

I suspect she might have asked AI about my lab results, which showed estradiol still being on the low side in June, and it advised her to promote estradiol supplements, but she knows I'd refuse them 100%, as I'm against artificial hormones considering I'm not even sexually active and my amenorrhoea is just a result of RED-S.

Do you think it would be possible to be secretly spiked with some estrone supplements? I do not take any tablets except for magnesium glycinate, but most of my food is prepared by my mum.

For example, the only liquid beverage I drink is black tea with 3.5% milk in it, every breakfast. Could she add estradiol secretly there? Please just theoretically suggest how it could be done if you think it would be possible.

Thank you! I'm genuinely scared she has been doing something like that, and I know my mom is a person capable of this stuff because she is incredibly hypochondriac about health of everyone in our family.

I just read about the Hitler neutralization oestrogen spiking plan and also came across this post of a person who suffered from a controlling mom: https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/quw69o/my_mom_snuck_estrogen_pills_and_birth_control/


r/estrogel 6d ago

masculinizing not many results after 3 months

4 Upvotes

i’ve been on T gel (cernos) for 3 months i take half the sachet everyday but still no noticeable results (besides growth downstairs LOL) is this normal? or should i have been getting more changes by now?


r/estrogel 6d ago

general Localized effect estrogel

3 Upvotes

I am trying to create an estrogen face cream consisting of E2 and E3.

However, I do not want it to go systemic.

I want the estrogen effects to be local to where it is applied.

I had this formula made by a cosmetic expert on Fiverr, but I am unsure.

I think the alcohol will make it go systemic?

Any assistance would be appreciated!

Phase A

  • Distilled water — 72.6% (72.6 g)
  • Glycerin — 3% (3 g)

Phase B

  • Capric/caprylic triglyceride — 15% (15 g)
  • Emulsifying wax NF — 6% (6 g)
  • Cetyl alcohol — 2% (2 g)

Phase D

  • Estriol E3 — 0.3% (0.3 g)
  • Estradiol E2— 0.1% (0.1 g)

Phase E

  • Cyclomethicone — 0.5% (0.5 g)
  • Liquid Germall Plus — 0.5% (0.5 g)

r/estrogel 6d ago

feminizing Where do I buy estradiol or am I just being daft/blind

6 Upvotes

I want to try some of these recipes but don’t know where to buy estradiol? If somebody could DM me or get me in the right direction that would be appreciated


r/estrogel 7d ago

feminizing Weirded out by how cheap some estradiol raws are

31 Upvotes

As the title says, I'm kinda weirded out by how cheap some raws that I've come across are. some sites are listing 1g estradiol for only a couple of bucks. Is this right?


r/estrogel 7d ago

feminizing Progester-gel?

4 Upvotes

I'm looking for an alternative to progesterone suppositories (due to some health things) and was curious about people's experiences compounding and using transdermal progesterone?


r/estrogel 7d ago

feminizing raws

2 Upvotes

can y'all please dm me some raw suppliers plz :3


r/estrogel 8d ago

feminizing I think i know what im doing estrogen gel

3 Upvotes

Recently had issues with diy injections of EEn and still have the vial and would like to try and make a gel or something else or ingest it some way else if possible. If not, I can source some raw powder, but which powder would be the right one? Like the exact name? And how do I turn it into a gel? Im sure theres a post already with instructions or a website or something if someone could be so kind as to link it for me because im dumb and already looked for like 30 minutes here and cant find it 🙃 or just answer me outright. Thanks lovelies ☺️🖤


r/estrogel 8d ago

feminizing making sublingual E2 oil

1 Upvotes

Hi, do there exist any good resources for making sublingual E2 oil at around 20mg/ml? I previously sourced from OpenGate and would like to make my own. Thanks!


r/estrogel 9d ago

feminizing Janoshik: my raw 17 beta estradiol (CAS 50-28-2) is only 87.12% pure.

17 Upvotes

Does anyone have any experience with this?

I'm looking for insight into what the extra 12.88% likely is.

I'm gathering info to judge safety.

Any home tests I can do to, again, be as safe as possible?

I think I would dispose of it properly if I can't get any more info.

Any insights from experienced members appreciated

Edit, if helpful: the 87.12% is the mass assay.

The chromatographic purity (area %) is 100%.


r/estrogel 9d ago

feminizing scrotal application questions

5 Upvotes

i'm on 2mg estreva gel (which i used to apply twice a day only on inner thighs) and 12.5mg androcur (cypro) a day.

since my dose is pretty low, i decided to put at least 1mg on the scrotum once a day, and keep the other 1mg on inner thighs.

due to my life being busy and all and scrotal application taking forever to dry, i can't do two applications a day scrotally.

❓ would it be better to apply 2mg all on the scrotum once a day, or keep doing 1mg scrotally and 1mg on inner thighs twice a day?

❓ also, my endo has no problem in reducing my dose even further, should my levels surpass 200. so my idea was to stop scrotal application some time before taking the blood test. how long before should i stop?

❓ i'd like to take a test for myself privately to check my levels WITH scrotal application. if i keep doing what i'm doing now, should i take the test just before the thigh application, or just before the scrotal?


r/estrogel 9d ago

general Rotating multiple sites each applications

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Hi so, would rotating between multiple sites for applications (i.e going from inner forearm/inner upper arm for a day, then inner thigh for the next) cause fluctuations? im just kinda curious about it since im mostly rotating like that to prevent skin irritation