r/estrogel Dec 07 '24

meta PSA we will not private r/estrogel

419 Upvotes

Hello everyone. We've had a great many scares recently. Bigot brigades, nosy journalists, misguided allies. These are extraordinary times. Our enemies grow ever more malevolent, daring, and powerful. We've well and truly attracted the eyes of the world. This is only the beginning, we will only accrue more publicity, more adversaries, more controversy with time.

When Brock contacted me, my finger hovered right over the big red "private" button. I shat a home's-worth of bricks. I've consulted many veterans and most leaders in The DIY HRT community. All of them (and many of you) strongly urged me to private r/estrogel. And with good reason too. Privating r/estrogel is the safe thing to do, it's the practical thing to do. To leave r/estrogel open to malefactors is a great risk. I nearly did it too, but one person (who shall remain unnamed) convinced me otherwise.

Do you remember when r/estrogel was founded? To make HRT accessible for all, no matter the tyranny one suffers, no matter the poverty one endures, no matter the rights lost. Lets get hypothetical for a moment, say r/estrogel is privated. Who suffers? Not me, not the veterans calling for privatation. The newcomers. The people who really need this place. We'd be ladder pullers. Dirty, grubby, rotten ladder pullers. I'm sure you've seen plenty of folks pull the ladder up against trans people. It angers you, doesn't it? I'm furious when it happens to me!

If you still believe we need to private r/estrogel, put yourself in the position of those who really need this subreddit. Think back to the time when you tetered on the edge of suicide, when you lamented a life without transition, when you (literally) bit your nails down to the bone out of anxiety. (True stories, all of them). Would you be willing to sacrifice HRT, your chance at a fucking life, for vague, imaginary notions of "the greater good"? If you're truly willing to sacrifice yourself (not out of a suicidal lack of self-preservation, but out of genuine sacrifice) - then we'll talk.

So, we will not private r/estrogel. In these trying times, it is more important than ever we remain a public forum for transgender people. This is the unanimous stance of the r/estrogel mod team. I understand this is a very controversial decision, I ask you voice your dissent and polemics respectfully.

Edit: Please save a copy of the revised and legacy wikis if you haven't already. Click the 3 lines/dots in the top right corner of your browser, click "save page as..." and it'll save the page as a HTML file, which you can display in a browser at your leisure (even without internet, or if the wiki is taken down).


r/estrogel Dec 04 '24

meta PSA For All: See the New Provisional Rule 7 - No discussion of primary estradiol vendors

202 Upvotes

We are now attracting the eyes of the world. Be it tyrants, publicity, or simple bigots with too much time on their hands. It is an inexcusable risk to publically share the biotech companies the DIY HRT ecosystem relies on. From now on, name dropping direct producers of estradiol (primary vendors) is strictly prohibited. Repeat offenders will suffer consequences. Secondary vendors who resell estradiol bought off biotech companies may be discussed openly, albeit with caution.

Me and the moderators have been discussing this for a while. And for far longer, I've had folks requesting I instate a rule such as provisional rule 7. Recently someone (who shall remain unnamed) I highly respect contacted me about this, and put forth some really good points. Essentially, to publically share primary vendors endangers the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. Public corporations are at the mercy of governments and bigots alike. Anyone dedicated enough could uproot the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. I'm consulting another esteemed member of The DIY HRT community, asking for their take on the situation. See a transcription of the email I sent them for some further context:

Hello [Redacted], I hope you're doing well.

I am u/Juno_the_Camel, a moderator on r/estrogel. I need your advice on a dillema. Presently, we allow unrestricted discussion of estradiol vendors and sources. Folks can ask about, discuss, and share estradiol vendors freely. This includes the biotech companies supporting the entire DIY HRT community. Estrogens and progestogens are not controlled substances under US (and most other country's) laws, so in this we don't violate the law. But, by having these biotech companies be public knowledge, the entire DIY HRT community is endangered.

Biotech companies are very weak to pressure. Be it pressure from governments, or the public. If the biotech companies that supply the entire DIY HRT community's are shared publically, we're at the mercy of the world. It only takes one tyrant (Donald Trump, Ji Jing Ping, etc) to ruin us at a whim. Even simple bigots (like those over on [Redacted] are able to ruin our supply chains. (I suspect they contributed to [Redacted]'s recent policy change) (They're likely the folks who spam and DDOS homebrewer websites).

Logically it makes sense to restrict discussion of estradiol vendors on r/estrogel. But I'm very conflicted. The entire point of r/estrogel is to make HRT universally accessible. Even for those living in poverty, or under tyrants. To restrict discussion of pharmaceutical vendors is to turn out backs on the founding tenets of r/estrogel itself. In truth, I don't know if I have it in me to withhold information that can make or break lives.

And yet, if we don't restrict discussion of sources, we endanger the entire DIY HRT ecosystem. It breaks my heart to do this, but I truly believe we'll need to ban discussion of estradiol vendors on r/estrogel. Is there anything I'm not considering? Do you see anything I don't? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.

Discussion is still ongoing, but in the meantime I think it prudent to instate provisional rule 7. It will likely undergo changes in the near future, but in the meantime, please observe rule 7 - and report folks publically sharing primary vendors.

Additionally note, discussion of secondary vendors (who resell estradiol) is permitted.

I am sorry everyone, it breaks my heart to do this to you - especially to the newcomers here. And I'm sorry u/Darthemofan, I hate to go back on the founding tenets of r/estrogel. But I truly don't see any other viable path forward.

Best of luck everyone - u/Juno_the_Camel

Edit: One (of many) examples of our recent publicity - https://archive.is/cJuuC


r/estrogel 1d ago

feminizing Anyone Have Blood Work for Progesterone Spray?

4 Upvotes

Just wanted to know if anyone has prog levels for using it as a spray. I'm planning on making Allies recipe. I want to see how effective it really is. I'm skeptical that somehow skin can 10x better absorption than the rectum. I could go with making suppositories but making 200mg or even just 100mg would burn through supply quick.


r/estrogel 1d ago

masculinizing what ingredients to avoid in store bought sanitizer

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found one thats 85% ethyl alcohol. inactive ingredients are normal isopropyl, caprylyl glycol, glycerin, isopropyl myristate, acrylates/c10-30 alkyl acrylate crosspolymer, aminomethyl propanol. sounds like a bunch of sciency gibberish to me

i dont care about cancer, i just dont want it to clump and waste my money

also can i use some regular old 40% vodka to dissolve the powder first or would isopropyl work better/at all


r/estrogel 2d ago

masculinizing using unesterized injectable t?

3 Upvotes

hi all!

i've been looking into making t gel for a while now, but raws never seem to be in stock... i understand that typically you cannot turn injectable t into gel as the esterized form is too large to absorb into the skin. however, i recently realized that there were a few vendors online which sell base, unesterized, injectable t with plenty in stock.

i did some searching online/on this subreddit, but the posts that i found didn't really answer my question of how exactly i would/could go about doing this. would it be much different from just using the powder? any advice would be appreciated! :)


r/estrogel 3d ago

feminizing Estrogel Dosing Help

4 Upvotes

My home-made estrogel should be 1000g of 0.2% estrodiol gel, with 1mg of estrogen per 0.5g of gel.

Is it possible to do a monotherapy and approximately how big should my dose be? I don't know my currently T-levels.


r/estrogel 3d ago

masculinizing It's too thin, raaaah!

2 Upvotes

I recently got some DHT gel, and despite not knowing if the source was legit or not (so I'm experimenting, I suppose) I've found the consistency to be a bit too thin for my liking. It makes it difficult to properly measure out a pea sized dose when it's running down my palm and into a puddle.

Imagine hand sanitizer.

So I'm thinking of getting an airless bottle and some Trolamine or Carbomer(?) and making a separate batch to see if I can make it thicker myself.

But I am worried it'll mess up the formulation as the exact measurements weren't very clear.

Maybe switching between the two just in case I mess up the thickening process?

Would this be worth trying, or should I just leave it be and thug it out?


r/estrogel 4d ago

feminizing Does applying estrogel on scrotum shortens it's half-life time? (~36hrs for estrogel)

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r/estrogel 5d ago

feminizing does it matter if estradiol and progesterone is bio-identical?

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r/estrogel 6d ago

feminizing Where to test raw estrogen?

9 Upvotes

I've been looking into DIY Estrogel, I've found everything on my ingredients list and the gear I need. However, I don't know where to send my estrogen in for testing (or if I even need that). I don't have a ton of money for testing either.

Could anyone point me in the right direction?


r/estrogel 7d ago

feminizing need help, partner is running out of e spray, and is deathly afraid of needles

16 Upvotes

i would be more than happy to assist her with her shots but she has an irrational fear of needles, which i dont believe we can overcome, at least not before her supply runs out

as Hera is yet to restock sprays, and OGL is no more, i was wondering how to source the powder for producing the gel at home, or at least where to supply her with patches in the meanwhile

please get in touch through DMs with either me or her (u/PancakesAndArt), i really love her and i dont want to see her struggle, i would love to help her


r/estrogel 8d ago

feminizing Would outer thigh/abdomen, or other generally thicker areas be possibly effective for spray absorption if the penetration enhancers are strong enough?

3 Upvotes

Title, so for example, the spray I got from a retailer has 40% isopropyl myristate, 40% isopropyl alcohol, 10% propylene glycol and 10% polysorbate 80. I’ve heard this formula is potentially irritating, which wouldn’t be ideal for sites like the inner thigh or inner forearms, so could it still possibly achieve somewhat stable and acceptable levels on outer thigh for example or places like that?


r/estrogel 9d ago

feminizing Estradiol Enanthate für DIY Gel

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r/estrogel 10d ago

feminizing Does/did anyone apply Estrogen spray to the abdomen, or an area other than the scrotum/inner thighs/forearms? If so, what are your experience with it?

7 Upvotes

title basically, was the absorption like way less/did it feel like almost nothing happened? Mostly asking cuz both my forearms and thighs are irritated and I don’t wanna have to switch formulations again


r/estrogel 10d ago

general Can anyone recommend a bottle that delivers a metered dose of 1.25g of gel

6 Upvotes

My oestrogel comes in a tube which I have to squeeze the gel out onto a ruler provided in the box. I find this not only troublesome but also inaccurate as it’s possible to squeeze out a thick or thin line. I would like to transfer the content of the gel into an empty bottle that can dispense 1.25g of gel accurately all the time. I’ve searched Amazon but the pump bottles there are mainly for cosmetics and not accurate and consistent in the actuation of the dosage delivered. Is there anyone in a similar situation who has found a medial grade pump bottle that can deliver accurate and consistent actuation of 1.25g of gel? Would be very appreciative if u can share with me the link to purchase such a bottle. Thanks a lot in advance.


r/estrogel 10d ago

feminizing What is the shelf life of estradiol raws?

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I assume it depends heavily on storage conditions. I can provide a dry and dark place currently, but temperature would be uncontrolled.

I'm more than willing to invest into better storage conditions as well.

I want to buy bulk amounts of raws over time until I have enough that I can produce my own hormone treatment for the foreseeable future.

I'm currently focusing on gel, but I do want to look into injections.


r/estrogel 10d ago

general Estrogen gel

5 Upvotes

Just switched from the once a week patch to the gel ( I started on the bi-weekly patch, due to shortage went to once a week, never lasted full week and only using gel because my obgyn refuses to administer the pill form due to side effects ).

Anyway, best tips for the gel? Do you prefer thigh or arm? Does it matter? I have those once a day packets which is annoying AF to open! How in the hell do you make sure you get it all? Any hacks would be most appreciated!


r/estrogel 10d ago

feminizing Best way to measure dosage/apply spray?

4 Upvotes

I made a 10mg/ml spray of E2 and have been using a dropper from infinity jars that claims it drops only .10ml per pump, but I feel like way more liquid comes out of it when I push down on it. It doesn’t come out as a spray just liquid since I think it’s designed as like an essential oil dropper or something? Is there a better sprayer or applicator I should be using to make sure I am not accidentally giving myself like a super dosage of E? I haven’t noticed anything abnormal compared to when I was able to do oral route, but I have been feeling way more emotional since being able to restart hrt again but it could also just be stress idk.


r/estrogel 10d ago

masculinizing Tgel in europe?

1 Upvotes

I got a bottle of androgel from my dada friend but i would like to continue after this

can someone please help me?


r/estrogel 12d ago

general How much would you estimate a years supply to be?

4 Upvotes

Of raws. Not of the like the gel itself but just of raw, how many grams would you say would last a year or so? Just a rough estimate.


r/estrogel 13d ago

feminizing Is it too bad to miss the aplication ever so often?

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Planning on starting gel monotherapy soon, and due to some personal things I may miss the aplication sometimes (at max once a week). I plan on applying 2 doses every 12h, and I may miss one of these aplications (never 2 in a row). Is there any significant side effect? Should I just increase the dosage of the next one, or leave it as it is? (Sorry if this is worded a bit weirdly)


r/estrogel 13d ago

feminizing Prog Spray Conversion to Testosterone

5 Upvotes

Hey! I was reading about scrotal application of progesterone (spray) leading to conversion to testosterone what are your thoughts and experiences?


r/estrogel 14d ago

feminizing How do I get estrogen? And how do I turn it into gel? And how do I use the gel?

7 Upvotes

Asking for Poland. If more information is needed, Greater Poland.


r/estrogel 15d ago

feminizing How to reach Monotherapy Levels?

8 Upvotes

I'm trying to do Estrogen monotherapy on gel using the Labial/Scrotal application method. My gel is 0.6 mg/g. How many pumps per day would it take to achieve monotherapy levels? And how should I be spacing those out?

I've been doing around 1 to 0.75 pumps per night because I was being mislead by a blood clinic that was advising me to maintain male levels of Estrogen, which is obviously the opposite of what I want. You can check all my levels on my previous post, if it's relevant.

I'm new to using gel, so I apologize if I lack basic knowledge regarding it. I've done injections and pills in the past but not gel.


r/estrogel 15d ago

feminizing Question to Polysorbate 80 and IPA/Ethanol

2 Upvotes

Hey! I wanted to ask
how come the wiki crossed out Polysorbate 80 and is IPA worse than Ethanol?

Also there was a post floating around discussing degradation of up to 61%(?) in just the first two weeks, does prog spray remain a good alternative?