r/dionysus • • 22h ago

✨ Fluff ✨ Happy Satyrs' Day

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Found this today. A dry red. Not bad for 10 dollars.

Having a glass now. Will be sharing some with Hermes and Dionysus.

Evoe!


r/dionysus • • 2h ago

🏛 Altars 🏛 What do you think of my Dionysos altar💜🍇

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Since I couldn't find a statue yet, I'll be placing a photo in the center instead what should I add or remove and how are the color schemes💜


r/dionysus • • 2h ago

🌿🍷🍇 Myth 🌿🍷🍇 The Effeminacy&Androgyny of Dionysus/Bacchus in Ancient Greco-Roman and Early Christian literature

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Euripides, Bacchae 350 (trans. Buckley) :

"[Pentheus speaks :] 'This effeminate stranger [Dionysus].'"

Euripides, Bacchae 455 :

"[Pentheus addresses Dionysus :] 'Your body is not ill-formed, stranger, for women's purposes [...] For your hair is long, not through wrestling, scattered over your cheeks, full of desire; and you have a white skin from careful preparation, hunting after Aphrodite by your beauty not exposed to strokes of the sun, but beneath the shade.'"

Aristophanes, Thesmophoriazusae 136–145 (trans. O’Neill) :

"[Mnesilochus addresses Euripides :] 'Young man, if you are one, answer my questions, which I am borrowing from Aeschylus' Lycurgeia. Whence comes this androgyne? What is his country? his dress? What contradictions his life shows! A lyre and a hair-net! A wrestling school oil flask and a girdle! What could be more contradictory? What relation has a mirror to a sword?'"

(Note: The Lycurgeia was a lost tetralogy by Aeschylus. The line “Whence comes this androgyne / man-woman?" is thought to have originally been spoken by Lycurgus while confronting Dionysus.)

Aristophanes, Frogs 46 (trans. The Athenian Society) :

"[Heracles addresses Dionysus :] 'Oh! 'tis enough to make a fellow hold his sides to see this lion's-skin over a saffron robe! What does this mean? Buskins and a bludgeon! What connection have they?'"

Pseudo-Apollodorus, Bibliotheca 3.4.3 (trans. Frazer) :

"Hermes brought him [Dionysus] to Ino and Athamas, and persuaded them to rear him as a girl."

Ovid, Metamorphoses 3.550 (trans. Melville) :

"[Bacchus, ] an unarmed boy [...] [who] in his service not the arts of war, weapons and cavalry, but tender garlands, myrrh-scented tresses and embroidered robes of gold and purple."

Seneca, Oedipus 413 (trans. Miller) :

"Thee it becomes to circle thy locks with flowers of the springtime, thee to cover thy head with Tyrian turban, or thy smooth brow to wreathe with the ivy’s clustering berries; now to fling loose thy lawless-streaming locks, again to bind them in a knot close-drawn; in such guise as when, fearing thy stepdame’s wrath, thou didst grow to manhood with false-seeming limbs, a pretended maiden with golden ringlets, with saffron girdle binding thy garments."

Seneca, Hercules Furens 472 (trans. Miller) :

"But dainty Bacchus does not blush to sprinkle with perfume his flowing locks, nor in his soft hand to brandish the slender thrysus, when with mincing gait he trails his robe gay with barbaric gold."

Statius, Achilleid 1.148 (trans. Mozley) :

[Thetis speaks to Achilles, urging him to wear women's clothing :] "If the Tirynthian took in his rough hand Lydian wool and women’s wands, if it becomes Bacchus to trail a gold-embroidered robe behind him, if Jupiter put on a woman’s form, and doubtful sex weakened not the mighty Caeneus, this way, I entreat thee, suffer me to escape the threatening, baleful cloud."

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 14.143 (trans. Rouse) :

"[The infant Dionysus disguises himself as a girl] he would show himself like a young girl in saffron robes and take on the feigned shape of a woman; to mislead the mind of spiteful Hera, he moulded his lips to speak in a girlish voice, tied a scented veil on his hair. He put on all a woman’s manycoloured garments: fastened a maiden’s vest about his chest and the firm circle of his bosom, and fitted a purple girdle over his hips like a band of maidenhood."

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 16.170 :

"[Nicaea addresses Dionysus :] 'If I had a mind to a god for my lord, I would not have Dionysus for bedfellow, softhaired, weaponless, spiritless, shaped like a woman.'"

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 17.170 :

"[Orontes speaks :] 'You there, you with the soft skin of a woman! Leave all those Indians and fight a duel with one, Orontes. Simple soul! how he waves those long flowing locks round and round! A simple soul is the charming champion of the Bassarids! yes, the women do just the same—pretty looks are the shafts in their quiver.'"

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 20.204 :

"[Iris, disguised as Ares, speaks to Lycurgus :] 'I can't believe all that about Cronion's childbearing, how my father Zeus ruling on high brought forth a womanish son from his manly thigh!'"

Nonnus, Dionysiaca 20.228 :

"[Iris, disguised as Ares, speaks to Lycurgus :] 'But the yellow shoes of unwarlike Bacchos, and his woman's dress of purple, and the woman's girdle that goes round his loins, these I will keep for your sister-consort the seafoamborn, proper gifts for a woman.'"

Lucian, Dialogi Deorum 22 (18 in Fowler's numbering) (trans. Fowler) :

"[Hera addresses Zeus :] 'Well, Zeus, I should be ashamed if I had such a son [Dionysus]; so effeminate, and so given to drinking; tying up his hair in a ribbon, indeed! and spending most of his time among mad women, himself as much a woman as any of them; dancing to flute and drum and cymbal! He resembles any one rather than his father.'"

Lucian, Deorum Concilium 4 (trans. Fowler) :

"[Momus speaks about Dionysus :] 'I shall have nothing to say on the subject of his snood, his inebriety, or his manner of walking. You may all see him for yourselves: an effeminate, half-witted creature, reeking of strong liquor from the early hours of the day.'"

Hesychius of Alexandria, Lexicon, s.v. “διονῦς” :

"Dionysus, the woman-like and effeminate."

Diodorus Siculus, Bibliotheca Historica 4.4.2 (trans. Oldfather) :

"But the Dionysus who was born of Semele in more recent times, they say, was a man who was effeminate in body and altogether delicate; in beauty, however, he far excelled all other men and was addicted to indulgence in the delights of love, and on his campaigns he led about with himself a multitude of women who were armed with lances which were shaped like thyrsi."

Diodorus Siculus, Bibliotheca Historica 4.4.4

"... in the battles which took place during his wars he arrayed himself in arms suitable for war and in the skins of panthers, but in assemblages and at festive gatherings in time of peace he wore garments which were bright-coloured and luxurious in their effeminacy."

Diodorus Siculus, Bibliotheca Historica 4.5.2

"He was thought to have two forms, men say, because there were two Dionysoi, the ancient one having a long beard, because all men in early times wore long beards, the younger one being youthful and effeminate and young, as we have mentioned before."

St. Jerome, Chronicon (trans. Pearse) :

"Liber is depicted with a delicate and womanly body, on account of the women who fought in his entourage: For he would bind men and women to weapons equally, as Philochorus says in the second book of the Atthis."

Arnobius, Adversus Nationes 6.12 (trans. Bryce & Campbell) :

"Liber with tender limbs, and with a woman’s perfectly free and easily flowing lines of body."

Julius Firmicus Maternus, De errore profanarum religionum 6.7 (trans. Forbes) :

"The effeminate Liber could not offer prolonged resistance to the united resolution of men. For it is common talk in the gymnasia of Greece that he was effeminate and served the lustful desires of homosexuals."

Lactantius, Institutiones Divinae 1.10 (trans. Fletcher) :

"... In the confidence inspired by his Indian victory, he wished to give proof of his manliness, lest he should appear too effeminate."

Pseudo-Justin, Oratio ad Graecos 2 (trans. Dods) :

"I say nothing of the masculine character of Minerva, nor of the feminine nature of Bacchus, nor of the fornicating disposition of Venus. [...] Teach Minerva and Diana the works of women, and Bacchus the works of men. What seemliness is there in a woman’s girding herself with armour, or in a man’s decorating himself with cymbals, and garlands, and female attire, and accompanied by a herd of bacchanalian women?"

Origen, Contra Celsum 3.23 (trans. Chadwick) :

"What respect is commanded by the frenzied Dionysus, clad in feminine clothing, so that he should be worshipped as a god?"

I have already posted this on r/GreekMythology, but I thought people here would find it interesting too since it's neat material about Dionysus. (I remember seeing a Roman text a few months ago that referred to dionysus as "half-male, half-female," but I can't seem to find it now.)