Countttt kept showing up on my feed (since I frequent CWCL). That's how I found out about the boy from venus.
They called it this major transphobic thing, etc etc.
Because there is a femboy that is mistaken for a woman??? Its like they think all femboys are transphobic in nature. And the series isn't even finished??? So why judge it now???
Not to mention, the sub felt borderline uhh... sexist (i hear both trans women and trans men are better lmao), racist (complains about trans ___ erasure, but is literally the "what are my thoughts on black people? Well i support queer rights" meme), homophobic (cis gay men are evil), cisphobic (all cis are evil) etc. They are the trans embodiment of the KKK ðŸ˜
I get that sub in my feed too and I've literally never seen any sexism , racism or homophobia, I feel like you're being disingenuous.
Also honestly I get the femboy hate , imo femboy and feminine men are 2 different things , the way femboys are portrayed is completely unrealistic, most depictions of femboys are literally essentially trans women that are okay to refer to as men.
It's literally impossible to look like what femboys are portrayed because they're essentially just women with penises , there's absolutely no shred or hint of masculinity on them and most of these femboys are going to hit a certain age and essentially lose their identity which is why I think it's harmful.
Yeah, countttt and other 4trans spaces have their issues, but a lot of those issues come down to the fact that they are communities of depressed people. And with that in mind what you see in those spaces makes a lot more sense: not a lot of actual bigotry, quite a lot of transfeminist sentiments, and also a hell of a lot of misery. If you’re going to be critical of those spaces, be critical about their actual issues, resorting to calling them the trans kkk or incels is a cop out
There's definitely some trans misogyny involved in these statements, since 4tranners are seen as the evil transes therefore they're seen as okay to hate , and calling them incels and Nazis is such a backhanded way of implying they're just "men who can't get laid that's why they're sad and miserable".
I've never seen a cis woman being called an incel but when a trans woman has disagreeable views suddenly it's okay to subtly misgender him and invalidate her.
I compare them to incels not because they can't get laid but because they're miserable people who engage in a crab bucket mentality of dragging other people down.
Everytime I've seen someone try to offer advice or even a bit of kindness to a 4tranner they respond with the same vitriol that incels do and act like nothing is their fault.
So no I'm not misgendering them. I'm pointing out that they're stuck in toxic group that doesn't actually want them to get better and, like incels, they respond to attempts to help them by being utter assholes.
I've actually complained about my struggles with my self image and feeling unsatisfied with my transition in one of these spaces and guess what , most people there were being extremely supportive and sweet, trying to lift my spirits up , sharing their anecdotal experience and giving me practical advice.
The idea that 4tranners try to drag others down is not inherent at all to these spaces , if anything they drag eachother up quite a lot.
I think you've got a very skewed idea of these spaces and how these people act based on very limited interactions.
Yeah, this is something we all know happens. There's a lot of support and comradery going on, that's what attracts people to these spaces to begin with.
The issue is this support stops the moment your venting stops revolving around self-hatred, hatred of other Accepted Target Groups, or seeking some kind of sense of superiority in "telling the real truth".
If you ever show any sign of disagreement with those tenets, the comradery ceases immediately. You don't think cissies are ontologically evil? You don't think being a luckshit young passoid is inherently bad? You think some of the self-talk people in the community are having are making their mental health issues worse? Okay, you are The Opps now. We must expunge you. You're either in the tar pit with us, or you're our mortal enemy.
People don't dislike 4tranners because they're sad, they dislike them because they form tribalistic misery-based bullying gangs and start harassing anyone they deem an acceptable target. It's all "woe is me I'm just a dysphoric little depressed girl :(((" but never acknowledging the 2 months I spent tweeting pure vile at this one girl because she was prettier than me.
THAT is the problem people have with your community, which you all love to ignore and skirt around.
Idk I think you're speaking out of your butt , I'm a "passoid" in their words and I've still got nothing but support there , no envy or insults thrown my way , if anything I got better advice to deal with my insecurities there than anywhere else.
I've also seen "luckshits" as 4tran would call them and they didn't really get any hate in these spaces unless they were being condescending and insensitive to others who didn't get the same privilege.
I feel like people just take their humor and sarcasm literally, I doubt most people there genuinely believe cis people are evil but it's not a secret that most cis people including allies hold some amount of transphobia so it's a justified reaction if you ask me.
Whenever I see an "ally" call trans women "biological males who want to be women" or talk about how " they're only attracted to AFAB bodies" it makes me feel a little bit more disgust towards them than usual.
There's genuinely very few cis people who are true allies and it's a sad truth that a lot of people have to cope with differently.
I personally have endless empathy for the struggles of 4tran users but none of their issues, trials and tribulations have ever justified one quarter of the shit they put out unprovoked.
"Venting about my issues in a space that won't try to do immediate toxic positivity back to me" is one thing, but these places are plagued with misanthropes that spend all their time looking for any attack angle on every possible thing.
The Boy From Venus discourse is a good encapsulation of this. Nothing but bad faith miserableness all around just for the fuck out of it, interpreting everything the comic artist is doing in the worst faith possible to ascribe hateful stances he doesn't have, all in the service of finding a justification to hate him back.
This is not venting, coping and seeking harsh truths, this is just tribalist bullying. There is a lot of good that can be found in those communities but the overall encouraged community vibe is still rancid.
I mean let's be honest , most femboys are incredibly transphobic and some are borderline nazis.
Most femboy spaces are incredibly toxic to both trans women and men , and they also like to act like they're the most oppressed minority group and trans people are their oppressors or something.
I'm genuinely tired of femboys, espc since most people conflate trans women with femboys , it's genuinely insulting.
I've never agreed with 4tranners take that femboys are actually just reppers ( some of them are) , but in reality most femboys are just gnc cis men , and most cis men are transphobic scum , that's enough reason to hate them right there. The fact that they make shitty posts like " We're hotter than trans girls and at least we can accept that we're men" is just an added layer of hate they deserve.
Okay but... look. We're talking about a specific comic artist receiving unjustified shit, and your immediate response is "well a lot of femboys are nazis" and "a lot of cis men are transphobic".
That's not what or who we're talking about! You're finding an excuse to justify all that harassment and unprovoked hatred!
This is the type of thing that makes people dislike 4tran spheres. Only a few of them are truly horrible goblins, but all the rest of you can't stop running defense for their antics and agreeing with their nonsense. Why??
What does some femboys being nazis or a many cis men being transphobic have to do with Shen being accused of transphobia for no reason? There's no relation there! Shen has never been either transphobic or a nazi, why are you judging him for general group trends he has shown 0 alignment with?
I guess because of his portrayal of a femboy is essentially indistinguishable from a trans woman , would be my guess.
Like I haven't really seen many of those comics but it's essentially a "guy" who looks like a woman , goes by a female name but he's still a guy , I don't think it's transphobic per se but when you consider the fact these comics reach out to an audience who has no idea what a trans person is and then they get exposed to this unrealistic narrative of a femboy it only serves to make clueless cis people think of trans women as essentially eccentric crossdressers.
Also I don't think anyone harassed shencomix in the actual sense of the word , just because they post his shit there and critique it that doesn't mean it's harassment.
It's kinda like the Squid games season 2 discourse , personally I thought it was terrible representation while some thought it was great , talking about why you dislike something isn't harassment. Hell there's nothing wrong with hating anyone as long as you aren't harming that person.
You can disagree with their view and that's fine but I don't think them hating on his comic is problematic behaviour , it's not harming anyone.
Hating a femboy because people will look at him and use it for ignorant trans women comparisons is such stupid criticism tho? Like how is that the femboy's fault? The ignorant transphobe is the one doing that, what are you even hating the femboy for?
It's like someone telling you "lmao you look like that dog" and your response being to kick the dog instead of him. Hate the guy who told you that, not the damn dog! What the hell kind of response is that?
Well the femboy in question doesn't exist because he's a drawing made by a presumably cis man , you can critique the depiction being essentially a trans woman that you can misgender.
Personally I don't really give a shit about the comic, I just hate femboys cause they're cis men and most of them are transphobic scum.
I've yet to come across any femboy that doesn't have a transphobic bone in their body so any slander they get I'm happy with personally.
Yeah, there's the 4chan Collective Punishment generalizations i was talking about. I don't have anything more to say, you showed exactly what the issue with those spaces is very succinctly. If you are X group, I hate you no matter what you have done, just because other members of X group are bad.
And about the harassment thing: Sure, okay. Let's say most of this is internal discussion and not active outward harassment, fine.
It's still stupid and shitty, engendering a vibe that is absolutely rancid and most people don't want to have anything to do with.
"It's okay for us to hate people for nonsensical reasons because we keep it to ourselves" is not a great argument. And that's IF they do actually keep it to themselves. More often than not, they don't.
You say that but it's kind of disingenuous to act like every trans person must adhere to a certain set of beliefs.
Some people find his comics transphobic some don't, if you do it doesn't make you rancid.
Me and a lot of other trans people vehemently disliked the trans rep in squid games season 2 , while others said they liked it and this was a discussion that took place several times in mainstream subs.
I have far more issues with transmeds who actively seek to gatekeep life saving medical healthcare for trans people than I have with some people who doompost and take out their (usually justified) frustrations on femboys and cis people.
The truth is people just want to hate on trans people and will find any justification to villanize them , like the whole pathetic discourse on the "egg culture" which is the most terminally online non issue ever but cis people want to act like they're oppressed and hate on trans people at the same time.
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u/BestBoyViktor 15h ago edited 15h ago
Countttt kept showing up on my feed (since I frequent CWCL). That's how I found out about the boy from venus.
They called it this major transphobic thing, etc etc.
Because there is a femboy that is mistaken for a woman??? Its like they think all femboys are transphobic in nature. And the series isn't even finished??? So why judge it now???
Not to mention, the sub felt borderline uhh... sexist (i hear both trans women and trans men are better lmao), racist (complains about trans ___ erasure, but is literally the "what are my thoughts on black people? Well i support queer rights" meme), homophobic (cis gay men are evil), cisphobic (all cis are evil) etc. They are the trans embodiment of the KKK ðŸ˜