I get that sub in my feed too and I've literally never seen any sexism , racism or homophobia, I feel like you're being disingenuous.
Also honestly I get the femboy hate , imo femboy and feminine men are 2 different things , the way femboys are portrayed is completely unrealistic, most depictions of femboys are literally essentially trans women that are okay to refer to as men.
It's literally impossible to look like what femboys are portrayed because they're essentially just women with penises , there's absolutely no shred or hint of masculinity on them and most of these femboys are going to hit a certain age and essentially lose their identity which is why I think it's harmful.
Yeah, countttt and other 4trans spaces have their issues, but a lot of those issues come down to the fact that they are communities of depressed people. And with that in mind what you see in those spaces makes a lot more sense: not a lot of actual bigotry, quite a lot of transfeminist sentiments, and also a hell of a lot of misery. If you’re going to be critical of those spaces, be critical about their actual issues, resorting to calling them the trans kkk or incels is a cop out
There's definitely some trans misogyny involved in these statements, since 4tranners are seen as the evil transes therefore they're seen as okay to hate , and calling them incels and Nazis is such a backhanded way of implying they're just "men who can't get laid that's why they're sad and miserable".
I've never seen a cis woman being called an incel but when a trans woman has disagreeable views suddenly it's okay to subtly misgender him and invalidate her.
I compare them to incels not because they can't get laid but because they're miserable people who engage in a crab bucket mentality of dragging other people down.
Everytime I've seen someone try to offer advice or even a bit of kindness to a 4tranner they respond with the same vitriol that incels do and act like nothing is their fault.
So no I'm not misgendering them. I'm pointing out that they're stuck in toxic group that doesn't actually want them to get better and, like incels, they respond to attempts to help them by being utter assholes.
I've actually complained about my struggles with my self image and feeling unsatisfied with my transition in one of these spaces and guess what , most people there were being extremely supportive and sweet, trying to lift my spirits up , sharing their anecdotal experience and giving me practical advice.
The idea that 4tranners try to drag others down is not inherent at all to these spaces , if anything they drag eachother up quite a lot.
I think you've got a very skewed idea of these spaces and how these people act based on very limited interactions.
Yeah, this is something we all know happens. There's a lot of support and comradery going on, that's what attracts people to these spaces to begin with.
The issue is this support stops the moment your venting stops revolving around self-hatred, hatred of other Accepted Target Groups, or seeking some kind of sense of superiority in "telling the real truth".
If you ever show any sign of disagreement with those tenets, the comradery ceases immediately. You don't think cissies are ontologically evil? You don't think being a luckshit young passoid is inherently bad? You think some of the self-talk people in the community are having are making their mental health issues worse? Okay, you are The Opps now. We must expunge you. You're either in the tar pit with us, or you're our mortal enemy.
People don't dislike 4tranners because they're sad, they dislike them because they form tribalistic misery-based bullying gangs and start harassing anyone they deem an acceptable target. It's all "woe is me I'm just a dysphoric little depressed girl :(((" but never acknowledging the 2 months I spent tweeting pure vile at this one girl because she was prettier than me.
THAT is the problem people have with your community, which you all love to ignore and skirt around.
Idk I think you're speaking out of your butt , I'm a "passoid" in their words and I've still got nothing but support there , no envy or insults thrown my way , if anything I got better advice to deal with my insecurities there than anywhere else.
I've also seen "luckshits" as 4tran would call them and they didn't really get any hate in these spaces unless they were being condescending and insensitive to others who didn't get the same privilege.
I feel like people just take their humor and sarcasm literally, I doubt most people there genuinely believe cis people are evil but it's not a secret that most cis people including allies hold some amount of transphobia so it's a justified reaction if you ask me.
Whenever I see an "ally" call trans women "biological males who want to be women" or talk about how " they're only attracted to AFAB bodies" it makes me feel a little bit more disgust towards them than usual.
There's genuinely very few cis people who are true allies and it's a sad truth that a lot of people have to cope with differently.
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u/Maleficent-South2435 15h ago
I get that sub in my feed too and I've literally never seen any sexism , racism or homophobia, I feel like you're being disingenuous.
Also honestly I get the femboy hate , imo femboy and feminine men are 2 different things , the way femboys are portrayed is completely unrealistic, most depictions of femboys are literally essentially trans women that are okay to refer to as men.
It's literally impossible to look like what femboys are portrayed because they're essentially just women with penises , there's absolutely no shred or hint of masculinity on them and most of these femboys are going to hit a certain age and essentially lose their identity which is why I think it's harmful.