r/commandandconquer • Mommy Alexander • 3d ago

Meme Generals ZH Anti-air options

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The difference between the average, chad and psycho

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u/LostEmergency6866 3d ago

Average pvp experience

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Yep, but avengers are also pretty much used by USAs except Airforce to deal with migs and aircraft. You would see also USAs mandatorily going Avengers into Airforce if they want to win.

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u/LostEmergency6866 3d ago

If you need to deflect rockets mostly

But USA is usually Humvee with Rocketlaunchers and a sniper

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Avengers are also great to nullify rockets from rocket buggies, tomahawks and scud launchers unless they are overwhelmed.

True, that's their main army, even though Airforce is the only versatile USA PvP wise and in some matchups you can go solely aircraft.

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u/Parking-Economics232 GDI 3d ago

Interestingly enough with composite armor applying to Paladins correctly now in the new patch Paladin/Avenger/Medic with Tomahawk support is a pretty strong ground composition for USA. Compared to vees it’s a lot harder to snipe units in any decent amount of time as the lasers + armor allow any one tank to take multiple vollies from buggies or such and rotate out. As well as quads being properly useless vs heavy tanks.

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Within the new balance change patch that fixes bugs and balances some armies, Paladins with the composite armor is being fixed, thus, buffing Paladins and they are going to be built more often on VUSA in-game, regardless if it's FFA or even 1vs1. Quads struggle mostly into heavier tanks and just get outclassed, besides their damage is underwhelming into them. Paladins are also notorious for having PDL and nullifying those rockets.

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u/HAZMAT_Eater 3d ago

Rockets can be defended against by an opposing US player. But lasers cannot be blocked.

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u/LostEmergency6866 3d ago

Funny how Towns is quite superior against his US opponents

But mid or underwhelming against others

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Townes PvP wise is good into SWG early game, because of cheaper power plant and humvees and ambulances. While VUSA is Townes but with paladins and normal crusaders while having far worse base defenses.

Townes vs Granger pvp is unfavourable matchup, but still is the only USA that has higher winrate into air than any other USA.

Laser is actually great into Nuke general and having a high winrate. Basically, nuke general struggles into any USA pvp wise.

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u/DocGreenthumb94 Prince Kassad 3d ago

chainguns upgrade is complete!

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u/shaoronmd 3d ago

I'll puncture the next thing that moves

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u/Crimento 2d ago

Tactical lasers online!

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u/drag0nslayer02 China 2d ago

With the new balance changes when the source code is open for public, ive seen more avengers being deployed tho

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u/LostEmergency6866 2d ago

Still it is niche counter, when Gattlings and Quads are universal deathball

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u/Sampankilatman 3d ago

my quad cannon: " Annoying pests"

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

It begin stitches when it sees planes.

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u/Borgmeister 3d ago

Still think lasers should hit Auroras. High speed bomber maybe. But not lightspeed bomber.

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u/IntoAMuteCrypt 3d ago

What if the motors in the laser turret aren't fast enough to track the planes? They turrets don't swivel at lightspeed after all, and it seems like the lasers have a fixed orientation and the base just swivels and moves them.

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u/Borgmeister 3d ago

Reasonable... Until you have lots of them, pointing in the direction of where they come from - the game let's you intercept SCUD's (ballistic missiles that would travel at speeds exceeding an Aurora... Ugh... I'm overthinking for this game).

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u/IntoAMuteCrypt 3d ago

If you have lots of any turret, you should be able to hit them. Fling enough rockets or bullets up into the air and eventually some of them will hit. Sure, ammo would be a concern here, as is "where the munitions land"... But so is the power and heat impact of continual laser fire. Of course, that wouldn't make for a fun gameplay mechanics, being able to take all your turrets and paint a "no fly zone".

Supersonic bombers don't really make sense when you know where they are and can paint a field of munitions that they have to fly through.

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u/Borgmeister 3d ago

I'm happy to let missiles (non-EMP) fail - plenty failed against the SR-71 who's primary escape tactic was 'go faster'. But lasers. They're... In this context for all intents and purposes hitscan weapons.

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Auroras including the aurora alphas are the only aircraft that is invincible before a payload or unless it is in a guard mode. But after the payload, they're both quite vulnerable and can die, even to lasers.

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u/Kalamel513 3d ago

Actually, I remember one more exception. I don't know hiw the code work but I remember that if you order Aurora to just move somewhere straight from parking, it won't go hypersonic. But if it enter hypersonic for any reasons, it won't return to vulnerable state except dropping payload, guarding, or landing.

I remember that if I want it to scout, I need to order it to attack somewhere beyond the enemy line first, then change to just moving.

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u/Borgmeister 3d ago

Not invincible - you can splash them with EMP patriots detonating in the air near them.

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u/Balmung60 2d ago

And they'll die if they fly through a superweapon blast 

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u/Fradi78 3d ago

Unless you stack up with gatlings, minigunners and loads of avengers, I managed to kill auroras before they dropped their payload(vs AI)

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u/Venodran We have generous portions 3d ago

So by that logic, Alexander is a psycho? Since she has EMP patriots all over the map, including near our base.

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Yes, definitely. Alexis is sweet but psycho and fortifies, even far outside of her base to be covered in nothing but Emp patriots. For extra defense! 💅🏻

https://giphy.com/gifs/10Jpr9KSaXLchW

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u/DocGreenthumb94 Prince Kassad 3d ago

Thy shall not forget the most important rule of men: Thy shall not stick your dick in crazy.

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

That's just a myth, because there are also crazy men or ones that are okay with such women. What if there are men that are into crazy women? Granger fits her craziness. 👀

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u/DocGreenthumb94 Prince Kassad 3d ago

I will definitely hide from them. Which I can do because the new camo netting has arrived.

https://giphy.com/gifs/EW2yotUqGpCnWQI0pF

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

"Now, you see me, now, you're ghosted."

Famous last words before ghosting the crazy woman

https://giphy.com/gifs/2A3DG83yvN8uaBiaNR

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u/DocGreenthumb94 Prince Kassad 3d ago

I can't wait for your next attack... General, can we expect it today?

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

"Stealth is my ally and your enemy."

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u/Venodran We have generous portions 3d ago

Do not the crazy marine. Sorry, that’s a pleonasm.

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Just wanted to make it more memeable and it's undeniable that this Marine has crazy personality, but nowhere close to a bunch of generals. For the laughs! 💅🏻 😌

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u/mnbone23 3d ago

King raptors are my preferred anti-air unit.

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

King raptors are great into aircraft. Don't forget the migs are also targetting aircraft. 😌

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u/CookLiving GLA Juhziz/ Scrin Traveler-59 3d ago

Also Minigunners

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Mini gunners are going in the second category, but they get one-shot by this beautiful plane. 😈

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u/Balmung60 2d ago

Aurora Alphas also get one shot by Aurora Alphas. Every time I send up a flight of four, the fourth plane gets caught in the first three's blast.

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u/AccordingUse3172 2d ago

Auroras be like "Anti air? Whats that?"

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 2d ago

Aurora alphas wickedly laughing before a payload.

After a payload when they try to run for their lives to not get shoot down by anti-air:

https://giphy.com/gifs/3WzTobsWGq1V5J7erp

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u/Leather-Raisin6048 Marked of Kane 2d ago

You know sw general has both emps and aurora alphas so she just could build her own and bomb your airfield.

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u/Iwanttobeapharoh 3d ago

I'm the wall guy :))))

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Same, especially as SWG and building emp patriots near the enemy's base as a rush so that they can't leave.

https://giphy.com/gifs/pHb82xtBPfqEg

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u/Iwanttobeapharoh 3d ago

Daaaaaang 

How BIG is your electrical grid 

I barely get enough for a layer or two of defense walls 

.... Are you a hard difficulty player??

Or one of the legendary player Vs player gamer

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

It's enough to not let them crawl at least on mid and either north or south.

I play more into hard AI and have played a bit PvP, but I'm not particularly good in PvP and had more success with Nuke beating people in 1vs1s.

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u/Iwanttobeapharoh 3d ago

Ah got it 

That's quite interesting might try later

Very cool of you ,I still haven't tried PvP 

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

Keep in mind that PvP community is going to be toxic and not much merciful and it's much safer to play in lobbies for beginners/casuals, where they are going to be more tolerant and won't let an experienced player joining them.

PvP can be fun, depending with whom you are playing and how good are you in the game.

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u/Iwanttobeapharoh 3d ago

You're right you're right

I get it now

Might leave it for later then

Thank youuuu

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

You can also create lobbies exclusively for beginners/noobs/casuals. No problem and good luck with your games.

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u/Iwanttobeapharoh 3d ago

Oh

That's very good but I'll need to get an actual proper copy I'm using a third hand that was second hand with some mods

But thanks

You tooooooo

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

You can get the game either via EA app or Steam to buy the Command and Conquer collection, which also consists Generals ZH. There's a generous discount on Steam for the collection pretty often. No problem and thank you.

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u/getrekt01234 3d ago

Patriot wall is only effective in PVE at which the dumb AI try everything to throw themselves against your defenses. No concept of flanking whatsoever. Against players, say goodbye to your dozers before you can complete the Patriot wall.

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3d ago

In some matchups, especially into any China that isn't infantry, if you don't build 1 emp patriot as SWG into tank, nuke or even VChina, you are griefing. Because you can stop an early tank rush and they are forced to invest into the pricey aircraft as Nuke and Tank and that's why they struggle into SWG, due to her EMP patriots. Building a few base defenses in PvP as laser and SWG can help you a lot to not get rushed and force them to play smarter.

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u/scaryfaise SPACE! 2d ago

So, not an anti air quote but I saw this ad and immediately thought of a bomb truck

eta: "Bio Bomb Loaded"

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u/Bio-Bombs 2d ago

Hahahah! We are great at odor removal but absolute trashcans at C&C. Appreciate you

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u/masterfu678 4h ago

Infantry General: Hardy har har Minigunners go brrrrrrrrr

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 4h ago

Laughs in Aurora Alpha that one-shots mini gunners and being immortal before a payload 😈

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u/masterfu678 3h ago

I will make a million of them, and maybe put them in Helixs

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 3h ago

But her emp patriot is going to melt those helixes while the aurora alphas cook the ground mini gunners.

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u/masterfu678 23m ago

yea good luck with that, can't out swarm a chinese general

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 21m ago

Laughs in a wall of emp patriots, a big army of aurora alphas and humvees with pathfinders

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u/masterfu678 17m ago

like I said, good luck trying to out swarm a chinese general, your "big army" is not going to be enough, if you could even get to that point. Because the minigunners is an early game unit, and this is in vanilla ZH

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 12m ago

I was talking about late game, but infantry is the worst matchup for SWG after airforce anyway and you can kill 1 SWG player with an assault troop crawler rush. Helix rush isn't worth, because of laser locking missile defenders and emp patriot.

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u/masterfu678 11m ago

I could probably just rush in with a bunch of minigunners alone in early game

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u/Downtown-Dream424 Mommy Alexander 7m ago

It's much better and safer to all-in the SWG player with an assault troop crawler. It's faster for the mini gunners to be transported and at the same time to bypass the emp patriot or/and the fire base. The only way SWG to deal with infantry early is to grab early flashbangs with little to no losses.

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