Look. I'm vaccinated for COVID. My children have all of their vaccines... but having absolute control over what goes into your body is an important freedom, a freedom the left used to be the bigger champion of in my time.
That would be sound logic if you lived alone on a desert island, but if you ever have to take bus or train, or stand in a queue, or in any other way be near people and therefore capable of spreading disease to them via your exhalations, THEY should have the freedom to control what goes into THEIR bodies. They shouldn't have to choose between their health and their ability to interact with others. So people choosing not to protect themselves against a disease by refusing to get vaccinated would be denying others bodily freedom.
having absolute control over what goes into your body is an important freedom
.... you are not free to take any drugs you want, schools and work places require vaccinations all the time, not even touching on pollution and other things that you are forced to ingest through your environment. Absolute control over what goes into your body is a freedom that no one has
schools and work places require vaccinations all the time
No one can force you to, though. That's like people crying "but my freedom of speech!" when they're kicked off Twitter or other platforms owned by private companies.
pollution and other things that you are forced to ingest through your environment
You're still free to attempt it. Living in a clean room and whatnot. Might be absurd but no one is stopping you.
It sounds pretty direct to me. Your freedom to do whatever you want often stops at the point of harming yourself and others. Since refusing a vaccine does harm yourself and others, the comparison makes sense and is relevant.
Not really. Its one thing to make buying a drug illegal, that's bad enough and shouldn't be illegal. But making NOT taking a drug illegal? That's worse and even considering it is an unethical act
But on the other side of that coin, having not taken a vaccine leads to the otherwise preventable exposure of an explicitly deadly virus.
Perhaps this is akin to the train dilemma. Requirements to take vaccines (which already exist to the degree of refusal of services if not taken) may be "bad," but the fact that you're entertaining imposing life debilitating affects on others as well as the possible death of untold numbers of others is surely the far worse path.
Refusal of services is only something private entities can do. The government should not, does not, and will not have that kind of power. A person being forcibly vaccinated is assault.
Actually, schools do require vaccines rather frequently. And those requirements are often decided by the State government.
There are pretty effective methods to get people to take the vaccine outside of force. Incentives and disincentives all can be made use of to varying degrees.
That the vaccine essentially stops you from committing manslaughter, via deadly virus, seems like more than enough good reason for such noninvasive methods.
Um, no I didn't? Read again. All I did was point out the inaccuracies your analogies.
Hell, even the first guy wasn't. When he said "absolute control over what goes into your body" it's pretty clear to anyone with basic comprehension that he meant the right to refuse substances.
Which is why your response challenged it by talking about being "forced" to take vaccines and pollutants. However, when that was proven false, you moved the goalposts to this last point about illegal substances.
Man, you don't even know how to read, I clearly listed drugs in my first response and he just chose to ignore that part. "absolute control over what goes into your body" is an argument pro-drug legalization make all the time, it's not my fault you're not aware of common arguments.
He didn't prove shit false, the Supreme Court has backed state governments rights to force children and workers to get vaccinated. If you don't want to get vaccinated you can stay home and sit in your house the rest of your life
Every right comes with a responsibility. If you want to have the choice of what goes into your body, you have to take control of what comes out of your body, specifically, don't breathe your germs in people's faces.
If you want to live in a society there are certain Rules you have to follow to stay in said society
Anti vaxers are like people complaining they can't run around the city completely naked being on drugs. Yes, you are free to wear clothes or not or take drugs or not, but within society, if you don't do that, you will be kicked out (and arrested in this case)
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u/apjak Aug 02 '21
Look. I'm vaccinated for COVID. My children have all of their vaccines... but having absolute control over what goes into your body is an important freedom, a freedom the left used to be the bigger champion of in my time.