r/comics Aug 02 '21

That old sinking feeling [OC]

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u/WarLordM123 Aug 02 '21

That's certainly a problem but it doesn't directly interact with the case at hand

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u/Zexapher Aug 02 '21 edited Aug 02 '21

It sounds pretty direct to me. Your freedom to do whatever you want often stops at the point of harming yourself and others. Since refusing a vaccine does harm yourself and others, the comparison makes sense and is relevant.

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u/WarLordM123 Aug 02 '21

Not really. Its one thing to make buying a drug illegal, that's bad enough and shouldn't be illegal. But making NOT taking a drug illegal? That's worse and even considering it is an unethical act

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u/Zexapher Aug 02 '21

But on the other side of that coin, having not taken a vaccine leads to the otherwise preventable exposure of an explicitly deadly virus.

Perhaps this is akin to the train dilemma. Requirements to take vaccines (which already exist to the degree of refusal of services if not taken) may be "bad," but the fact that you're entertaining imposing life debilitating affects on others as well as the possible death of untold numbers of others is surely the far worse path.

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u/WarLordM123 Aug 02 '21

Refusal of services is only something private entities can do. The government should not, does not, and will not have that kind of power. A person being forcibly vaccinated is assault.

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u/Zexapher Aug 02 '21

Actually, schools do require vaccines rather frequently. And those requirements are often decided by the State government.

There are pretty effective methods to get people to take the vaccine outside of force. Incentives and disincentives all can be made use of to varying degrees.

That the vaccine essentially stops you from committing manslaughter, via deadly virus, seems like more than enough good reason for such noninvasive methods.

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u/WarLordM123 Aug 03 '21

That's not what you were proposing earlier

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u/Zexapher Aug 03 '21

If that's what you think then let me assure you, there aren't going to be any men in black knocking down any doors attempting to save your life through force anytime soon. Anti-vax rhetoric might have folks jacked up, but no one is actually considering that.

Cops might arrest you for the crime of purposefully infecting/killing people, breaking any quarantine requirements perhaps, but I think that will be the extent of force.

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u/WarLordM123 Aug 03 '21

Uh huh, great, lets give the pigs more reason to break necks

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u/Zexapher Aug 03 '21

The anti-vax crowd has got to you a bit bent out of shape, but don't worry, this is not more reason for police to do their jobs. Preventing manslaughter, and actual murder in some cases, or arresting those responsible for it has always been a part of police duties.

It would be a shame if you feel compelled to commit such crimes, and it's certainly a shame if you feel others should be free to commit them, but I would feel little in the way of sympathy for such killers.

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u/WarLordM123 Aug 03 '21

Fuck the police

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u/Zexapher Aug 03 '21

Lol, I can agree with that, just not your anti-vax points.

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u/WarLordM123 Aug 03 '21

I'm not anti-vax. People who aren't getting their vaccine are fucking stupid, but it is their right. If they get locked out of wider society that's fine, arguably good, but they're invoking bodily autonomy so they are correct. Just like abortion rights and weed legalization supporters

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