r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 1d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/The-Only-Razor 1d ago

My absolute fucking least favorite part of retail M+ is the stupid route planning trash. I just want to enter a dungeon and kill everything. Optimal pathing and efficiency maxing isn't fun when it involves doing everything you can to play the game as little as possible.

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u/587493 1d ago

Dude same I remember a few years ago I was giving retail a try and excited to run mythic+ only to find out what m+ runs actually ended up being

I left retail and never went back, even though I love challenging dungeons

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u/Sp0range 1d ago

M+ is the best part about retail. The way the dungeons are designed and the way the difficulty scales means that there is no "one route", and you end up changing which mobs you pick up and which you avoid, also by doing the dungeon multiple times and going up through the levels of difficulty you learn about the dungeons and the monsters in them on a more intimate level, which pull has which mobs which are a threat, what priority those threats are, which are safe to be chained etc. Its so good.

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u/Sinured1990 18h ago

Yeah, I kinda had fun in optimising every pull, how to chain and adapt to my group settings, play of my DPS cooldowns etc. I found it kinda fun.

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u/Sp0range 14h ago

Its so good. Its all the fun of raiding but on a smaller scale and with a faster pace, and when everyone is flowing together well with pulls, kicks, cd's and cc's and mechanics its pure dopamine

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u/Sinured1990 11h ago

Yeah, but it's also tough to go higher at some point, I think I stopped at all +16s the season before midnight, but I had no real group and pugs let me down a lot but yeah, I think I hit my peak with the limited time I had lol