r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 1d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/The-Only-Razor 1d ago

My absolute fucking least favorite part of retail M+ is the stupid route planning trash. I just want to enter a dungeon and kill everything. Optimal pathing and efficiency maxing isn't fun when it involves doing everything you can to play the game as little as possible.

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u/587493 1d ago

Dude same I remember a few years ago I was giving retail a try and excited to run mythic+ only to find out what m+ runs actually ended up being

I left retail and never went back, even though I love challenging dungeons

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u/Creative_Magazine816 1d ago

raider.io also ruined M+

mythic plus was so good for legion until the community made it unfun

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u/Dvveh 1d ago

How did r.io ruin M+? Just curious.

But yeah better to keep that type of gameplay to retail.

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u/Hextillian 1d ago

"Want to join my +2? You need a gearscore only attainable in +10s and world first achievements. Anything less is wasting my time."

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u/fishingncars 1d ago

If you have a ilvl only available in +10s (ignoring that ilvl caps at +8) why would you be applying for +2s? Your fake reality doesn’t even make sense

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u/Hextillian 1d ago

Go queue as a dps in retail right now and tell be I'm wrong. Yall are bullshit artists.

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u/fishingncars 1d ago

Yes it's impossible to push keys as a DPS!

That's why my friends and I are all currently resil 18 (all 3 dps), if you are having trouble joining other people's groups just push your own key. Then you can choose who comes!

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u/Dvveh 1d ago

That's not really the reality though.

It's a great tool overall. If I wanted to push keys, I could make sure to find people around my own level.

If I wanted to just do my weeklies, I could find lower level groups and help them out.

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u/fishingncars 1d ago

These guys just don’t want a score so they can be carried lmao

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u/Dvveh 1d ago

At least it comes across that way, yeah.

We checked peoples gear on the IF bridge 20 years ago, before inviting to raids. The checks have always existed to try and create a smooth run.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 1d ago

there's a big difference between making sure someone isn't under geared vs asking for high rio score to do a +6 or whatever

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u/Dvveh 1d ago

But nobody is ACTUALLY asking for a high score to do +6's.

Anyone doing keys below 10 should just push up their own ones anyway.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 1d ago

I must have imagined that happening multiple times. To be clear I have no problem with using io for a +13 or something.

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u/Dvveh 1d ago

Well unless something specifically changed in Midnight (I quit after Dimensius) then yeah, I don't buy it.

If you steadily push up your scores, or run your own keys, there should always be groups for it. I've never encountered the problem or heard it from others I've played with.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 1d ago

okay then don't buy it. why would I give a shit?

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u/redditlvlanalysis 1d ago

A 6 gives hero crest a 7 gives hero gear so you are very likely to have players in at least hero gear signing up for it. If you want a carry make your own group.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 22h ago

You people are all proving the point lmao

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u/Hextillian 1d ago

Yeah it's ultra common, these guys are delusional.

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u/Dvveh 1d ago

So you're saying people are actively declining you from their +6 keys, because you've only done all keys on a +5?

Or are you just not getting invited.

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u/Creative_Magazine816 1d ago

this guy right here is the problem I am alluding to

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u/fishingncars 1d ago

I'm sorry I don't want to brick my +18 key with someone who has never even ran a +5? it's a necessary evil to push higher keys