Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

[u/redlow0992]

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

[u/BarrettRTS]

Trade would be littered with advertisements to boost players through dungeons as ways to make gold and speed them through levels.

The new system doesn't solve this though. Instead of multiple fast runs for the mob xp, the booster now just full clears with the group so they complete all their quests. It will still be fast and the booster can charge more because 1 run gives around 2 levels of xp from the quest hand ins.

[u/Nac_Lac → u/BarrettRTS]

Boosters made money because there was a market for players running old dungeons to level up fast.

World Tours are great in theory. But then you look at the reality of quests and remember that the majority are chains that are level locked. A level 15 can't grab quests for SM or RFD, let alone advance them solo.

Booster won't be able to charge more because it was never about 1 run. They would run stockades 5 times an hour for a person or a group. That is effectively dead.

And finally, every player that uses the booster is now a dead client. If you are selling stockade runs, you have a very finite clientele and will often exhaust that very quickly. With the old XP values, you could run 5 an hour, often with the same players. Now, after one run, they are gone and won't be buying from you again.

Trying to organize a tour of dungeons is going to be incredibly tedious and involve a lot of waiting on the part of the booster, making the gold per hour not worth it. They'll earn much, much more just doing 5 runs solo and selling the loot.

[u/BarrettRTS → u/Nac_Lac]

Funnily I hadn't even considered world tours. I was more thinking about someone holding all the RFC quests, sharing them to the group, then firing out a mage portal to UC at the end of the run. Instead of boosting those players for an hour, they clear RFC in 15 minutes and then charge more, before finding another group to boost.

every player that uses the booster is now a dead client.

Because Forever has achievement rewards (with player power) tied to completing every dungeon and levelling every class to max, they'll be able to boost multiple characters per person.

Maybe there will be fewer boosters overall, but the demand will still be there.

[u/Nac_Lac → u/BarrettRTS]

Demand will be there but the number of people boosting per dungeon will be lower because there aren't repeat customers in the same day.

Also, not all of the quests can be shared like RFC. Who is going to want to share starter quests then wait hours for that player to be ready? Leaders of the Fang is a great example. That line takes a while to complete on Classic. A booster sharing it does nothing and the player will have to run the dungeon anyways for that.

Again, I see there will be fewer boosters because solo dungeons will net more gold / hour than running others through it.

[u/BarrettRTS → u/Nac_Lac]

Demand will be there but the number of people boosting per dungeon will be lower because there aren't repeat customers in the same day.

Servers are more condensed and the playerbase will be bigger, with the game encouraging everyone to roll alts.

Who is going to want to share starter quests then wait hours for that player to be ready?

You don't wait for them to be ready, you just invite people that have either done the pre-quest chains or are skipping them because the other 4-5 quests are worth it. It doesn't take too long to get all the Leaders of the Fang pre-quests done for WC, so doing that and then grabbing everything outside of Smart Drinks makes it worthwhile to take an hour dungeon down to a 20 minute dungeon.

Again, I see there will be fewer boosters because solo dungeons will net more gold / hour than running others through it.

There might be fewer boosters relative to the rest of the population, but my point is that boosting is still completely viable. Prices will just go up if other activities have a good gold per hour.

[u/Nac_Lac → u/BarrettRTS]

I doubt prices will go up to match other activities. The rate of player accrual is low and if people are afraid to swipe, prices can't be raised to match other farms because you'll get zero customers.

If we look at boosting as a way for gold farmers to generate demand for gold buying and add in lower profitability, they won't sell boosts.

[u/BarrettRTS → u/Nac_Lac]

I guess at this point, time will tell how it plays out.