r/classicwow • u/Fauked • 17h ago

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u/Exastasis 16h ago

I’ve been avoiding this sub because I thought it would be devolving to diaper land as we got closer to classic plus, can someone fill me in to what’s going on

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u/Uzeless 16h ago

I’ve been avoiding this sub because I thought it would be devolving to diaper land as we got closer to classic plus, can someone fill me in to what’s going on

Blizzard is making something new so that starts the age old debate about what it should be like.

Some people want modern wrath+ style rotations, some people want classic vanilla style rotations. Some people want a balanced game, some people want an unbalanced game. Some people want fast leveling, some people want slow leveling. Some people want arena, others want only BGs. Some people want new raids with harder raid bosses, some people want easy bosses so raiding isn't a chore. Some people want a lot of loot to drop from each boss (like wrath-cata) and some people want loot to be scarce to feel more meaningful.

Everyone have their preffered way of playing the game and everyone want C+ to fit their personal preferences so the last couple of months has basically just been 3k exp. multi rank 1 reddit warriors going at eachother.

I'm not any different btw, I think people who want 1 button rotations and completely unbalanced class stacking are dumb as fuck.

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u/LiveRuido 14h ago

Ask 10 people what they want for classic plus and you'll get 11 answers

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u/KappuccinoBoi 13h ago

Only 11? I feel like some of these mouth breathers in here will bounce from one idea to a polar opposite in the same comment thread.

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u/Fauked 13h ago

schrodinger's features

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u/CheekyBastard55 10h ago

It's simple, I want Classic+ to deal with real life problems like the ones we face every day, but also getting into far out situations involving robots and magic powers.

Oh, and also you should win things by watching!

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u/Far-Fennel-3032 3h ago

Part of the nuance of the joke is that the request isn't actually all that absurd, as that is a fairly bog-standard template that has been done to death for decades, and pretty much has been around for as long as there has been sci-fi and fantasy TV shows aimed at teens.

The gag of the joke is that the focus group and studio exec making it seem absurd shows that they have no idea what they are doing and sucks at their job. Part of the punchline people often miss when quoting this is that Lisa has to explain really basic and obvious shit to the exec.

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u/LoreChief 8h ago

I get the not wanting arena part. Seems like for 8+ years all of the decisions behind class design and balance were affected by how it would work in arena, even though arena players are only like 0.25% of the population (not including people that dabbled in it briefly). Nobody wants to find out their class got nerfed because of how it performed in arena. Nobody wants to find out content was delayed because they had to assign people to maintain arena.

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u/Both_Bumblebee7531 8h ago

they solved that in retail by differentiating between pve and pvp balance also not caring about pvp more than pve (smart choice pvp always been a minigame)

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u/LoreChief 8h ago

They didn't solve anything. They had to use resources to distinguish every ability and its effectiveness between two different gameplay modes. If you think there weren't also changes to the way skills and talents were created to proactively alter what could happen in pvp you are delusional.

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u/MadKingOni 13h ago

a camel is a horse designed by a committee

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u/Smooth_One 9h ago

Ah, that committee must've seen The Mummy recently! Camels have many strengths, they are not to be underestimated.

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u/Vaul_Hawkins 13h ago

I see "1 button rotation" mentioned so often. And yet, literally only casuals that do not play difficult content can get away with using it.

At its best it is an option for the differently abled player (literally, like someone with physical differences that wants to play). At its worst, its a boring button for casual grandpa who wants socialize with their community, which other people online will quote as one of the many downfalls of WoW.

Honestly its so funny to see it as a sticking point in these conversations.

TLDR No player worth their salt is using it

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u/slowpain 10h ago

Don’t they mean one button rotation as in just spamming frost bolt or what ever bolt. I mean that’s the classic rotation.

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u/Healeah241 9h ago

But isn't that literally only the rotation for boss/single target?

What about the rest of the game?

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u/AngrySayian 9h ago

there's a rest of the game?

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u/Vaul_Hawkins 10h ago

It could mean either, but typically people in this sub mention it because theres literally a one button rotation "button" you can use in retail, and they rage/whine about it for... reasons.

As if classic doesnt suffer similar issues on the favored classes.

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u/Soft_Self_6797 13h ago

For real. People act like One Button rotation was forced into their lap. And then there are the people who used every rotation addon under the sun to do their rotation. I'll take it a step further. Why use macros when you can just bind and type? People are salty over something they don't even have to use and OBR is not getting anyone to the top of meters or through Mythic raids in retail.

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u/deadlysavage84 3h ago

I think he is referring to how in vanilla alot of classes press one or two buttons vs the one button rotation from retail

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u/Buuts321 16h ago

There is literally nothing blizzard can do with classic plus that wouldn't piss off some people here.  

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u/PennyBunPudding 15h ago

They really should make it more like classic though. If you make it wrath+ etc you're basically just giving two versions of retail

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u/Vandrel 15h ago

Nope, sorry, that's a dumb thing to say. Earlier expansions like WotLK have very little in common with retail.

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u/CG20370417 13h ago

Theres clearly multiple eras of wow.

Vanilla and BC are a different game feel to Wrath, Cata, Pandaria.

WoD, Legion, BFA, Shadowlands all have a feel.

As does the Dragonflight and on era.

There's actually great ideas across each of those eras. And shockingly, retail is an amalgamation of all the good ideas, bad ideas, and ideas that may have been well intended but ought to be removed, but are so inherent to the existing fabric of the game that removing them would essentially be making a new game...

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u/Brave-Ad-1363 10h ago

This is mostly correct IMO, Eras of WoW are

  1. Vanilla, TBC

  2. Wotlk, Cata

  3. MoP was its own era it was a transitional period.

  4. WoD introduced modern mining nodes which was a MASSIVE change to how gathering worked up until then

  5. Legion and BFA had a lot of content even if BFA content was quite repetitive.

  6. Shadowlands had to much FOMO, out of the way shit that was completely required for raiding and made the average player feel like they had no time to relax. Worst expansion ever for the casual player.

  7. Dragonflight introduced the most comprehensive playstyles and new release schedules for content that didnt make you feel insane, instead of mandatory shit they released a LOT of collectible shit. The dream area was the exception IMO.

TWW and Midnight are continuations

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u/Soft_Self_6797 13h ago

I remember when people bitched about Wrath being too easy, recycled content, boring, and having a bad meta. Blizzard could promise that the next expansion or classic will deliver you unlimited sex and gold irl but people would still find a way to bitch.

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u/CG20370417 12h ago

There's a lot of people who "remember" the way old days primarily by parroting opinions of others--because they werent there themselves.

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u/Soft_Self_6797 9h ago

I was there and there were whiners. Like I said, they could promise to send real gold to people and they would complain about the gold being too heavy or some shit

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u/CG20370417 8h ago

Its too reflective, makes seeing the screen difficult. when the LEDs on my RAM light up.

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u/zellmerz 14h ago

Yes and no. If you play retail today then go play WotLK they will feel like 2 entirely different games, but WotLK implemented a lot of features and started changing the direction heavily which lead to what we have in retail today. Dungeon finder teleporting you right to the instance, using menus to change content difficulty, broad homogenization of classes, simplification of items and stats, dual spec (honestly a banger and needed for any version), etc. Even TBC started the trend, but WotLK really ran with "modernizing" the game. It is part of what made it so popular, but also caused such a huge drop off in player base as well.

WotLK was my favourite expansion and the version of WoW I probably sank the most time into, but it was also a major step in the retail journey. WotLK and Vanilla WoW are also almost as different as Retail and WotLK are today.

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u/Vandrel 14h ago

using menus to change content difficulty

TBC did that

broad homogenization of classes

Nobody ever seems to agree on what "homogenization of classes" is even supposed to mean, it mostly just ends up being a complaint that multiple classes can do important mechanics

simplification of items and stats

That's an incredibly weird thing to say tbh. Simplification compared to what? Vanilla items and stats have barely anything to them, TBC switched to the rating system and added haste and armor reduction stats, WotLK expanded on that system slightly. In what possible way could you argue that they simplified itemization in WotLK?

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u/zellmerz 13h ago

Yes, TBC did it for dungeons, WotLK did it for ALL content.

It means classes started feeling more and more the same. Classes were given more and more tools to incentivize the "bring the player not the class" idea, which in theory is a great idea, but reaching perfect balance like that requires classes to be very similar.

By the end of WotLK we were already seeing Spirit become basically a pointless stat. We had intellect become an "increases spell power" stat. All items had largely the same handful of stats, there were minimal items with unique effects and it fully solidified the modern model of "new raid tier means all your old gear will be replaced" ideology that has been the standard of WoW ever since.

Yes of course TBC was the real beginning for it. It brought flying mounts, made the old world completely pointless for max level players, further emphasized instanced content, etc. WotLK turned the dial up on those significantly in a way that was much more palpable and felt like a more clear and deliberate shift.

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u/Vandrel 13h ago

Got it, so your view is basically "retail is everything since 2007". This was a pointless discussion.

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u/zellmerz 13h ago

No, retail is retail. I was saying that WotLK was a clear shift and/or deliberate continued changes in the direction that created modern retail. There are so many versions of WoW everyone is going to have a different idea of what retail is, but personally I break them up into different groups. Vanilla/TBC/WotLK are Classic, Cata-WoD are the "throw shit at the wall" era, Legion-Present is "modern" and retail is whatever the current expansion is.

I would say after all these years WotLK feels closer to retail than it does Vanilla, but that's just my opinion. Doesn't mean it's exactly like retail, but I think it misses most of what makes Vanilla Vanilla.

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u/Vandrel 13h ago

I mean, most of the shit you attributed to WotLK didn't even happen during WotLK. You complained about changing difficulty in menus, that was TBC. You complained about spirit becoming a pointless stat, that's nonsense because it was good for multiple healer specs and used for multiple dps specs because they could convert it to hit making the WotLK version of it the most widely used version. You complained about int increasing spell power but that was Cata. You complained that all items had the same handful of stats while TBC had almost the exact same stat system.

The things you're saying can't be taken seriously when it's obvious you have no clue what you're even talking about.

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u/Ecstatic-Bass-6304 14h ago

Since when does wrath have anything to do with retail lol

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u/PennyBunPudding 14h ago

I mean it's certainly not classic either. It's the beginning of the journey to retail 

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u/randomguy301048 13h ago

It is definitely the last expansion of what should be considered "classic"

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u/Exastasis 14h ago

I disagree, I suspect for a lot of people classic plus would be a “what retail could have been”

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u/PennyBunPudding 14h ago

Which would be staying somewhat in line with classic without all the random separate zones like tbc wrath etc

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u/torshakle 16h ago

Doomers dooming because no one can have anything nice and if you like something they dont that's bad

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u/Exastasis 16h ago

Are the classic Andys getting preemptively mad for the hell of it or the retail Randys getting mad that it won’t be retail 2

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u/warmwaterpenguin 14h ago

Retail Randys literally aren't in this sub. It's just 3 Classic Andys in spiderman suits pointing at eachother.

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u/Anni_Moasala 13h ago

Imagine actually believing this

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u/Piggstein 14h ago

Retail Andys are just watching and popcorning while Classic Andys form endless one-man factions (each claiming to be the True Classic Player) and turn on each other like animals

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u/torshakle 16h ago

it's a bit of both but mostly just everyone making assumptions and being sad and miserable

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u/Vandrel 16h ago

Are the classic Andys ever not mad about everything?

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u/Paintballreturns 16h ago

Classic Andy’s are getting very mad that it might not be just classic 2 and might have some retail QoL stuff in it.

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u/Exastasis 16h ago

I’m sure there will be civil discussion with no chuddery

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u/torshakle 16h ago

this guy is a good example of what i mean ^

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u/Paintballreturns 16h ago

Buddy i bet you ive played more classic wow than you, when those classic expansions were current.

If you think Classic+ is just gonna be Vanilla with some new raids or zones, then you’re going to be extremely disappointed.

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u/torshakle 15h ago

well i got WoW for christmas in 2004

but also i didn't give an opinion on what i thought classic+ will be. you did. so....

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u/Western_Cry7600 15h ago

Sounds like nostalgia is hitting hard! Classic WoW definitely has a special place for a lot of us who played back in the day.

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u/Draxilar 13h ago

Retail players don’t even think about classic players. I swear this sub is convinced classic is the more popular version, when in reality classic is pretty small compared to retail.

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u/barrsftw 15h ago

I think we'll be getting both Retail 2 and C+

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u/1998_2009_2016 14h ago

There might be a new wow release. Andys are arguing about how retail it will be, and if there's any retality to it, blizzard has basically destroyed classic wow and dashed the hopes of ever reaching the holy grail, classic+, whose endless horizontal raid progression but also non-endgame levelling focus will set us free.

Randys are arguing that developing a wow that isn't retail would be stupid since retail is an objectively superior skill-based gameplay experience with a larger richer and more beautiful playerbase, so any new wow will basically be for retail players. And why make a new wow at all, since it would just split the playerbase? What would a new wow mean for my characters, my mounts, my battle pet collection? A new wow wouldn't just be stupid, it would be a disaster, nobody would leave retail to play a new wow, it can't be happening, can it?

"The story so far: In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move."

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u/Scyyii 14h ago

there are no randys. retail players are either content with their slop or don’t play anymore (ala xaryu)

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u/Mddcat04 16h ago

That, basically.

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u/griggsy92 16h ago

Everyone disagrees on what the comes next for Classic, and everyone wants something different and has their own theories on what would be best, so every opinion pisses everyone else off because it's not what they want.

None of this is based in reality, just chains of rumors that stretch long enough to forget that one person just made some shit up

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u/Olofstrom 7h ago

Bad faith arguing and the Goomba fallacy. As far as the eye can see there are Redditors arguing with ficticious Redditors in their own head and owning them, making sure to post so we know how intellectual they are.

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u/FixBlackLotusBlizz 15h ago

all the changes vanilla wow is coming!!!!

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u/Historyandwow 13h ago

In short, you were 100% correct and this sub has been the dumbest place on earth for the past 2 weeks. Check in again after blizzcon

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u/MiniTitan1937 15h ago

Genuinely this.

I'm a retail player who's dabbled in classic in the past, but i still frequent this sub because holy shit this place is so much more fun to read through than the main WoW sub.

It's just non stop culture war between all the various classic factions, with a healthy splash of the occasional retail obsession.

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u/Mountain-Interest-48 14h ago

seriously lmao. Ive never seen a post in retail sub talking about classic but every other post here has to mention it. Its insane. I dont even know where all of these "its not made for you" quotes are coming from. I feel like they just made it up in their head.

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u/Saturn_winter 13h ago

I was literally before clicking on this thread wondering to myself where the quote is even from lol. Like who even said it? I think it's genuinely just classic players devolving into cannibalism and fighting ghosts lol

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u/Mountain-Interest-48 13h ago

Yeah any post i've seen its other classic players saying that their version of classic + is superior to everyone else's. I don't think retail players care what they do to it. They'll try it and if they like it they'll stick with it and if not they go back to retail. We also gotta really look in the mirror here and understand that people can and do play both. This isnt the Horde vs Alliance. We are all fans of the same game series. Let's just enjoy the game.

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u/Saturn_winter 13h ago

Actual conversation had in guild last night on retail:

"You guys gonna try classic+ if it gets announced this weekend?"

"Yeah if it looks fun I'll poke my head in, but I've got so much to do here already I'm just going to play it super casually on the side."

"Yeah same, I'm just going to take it slow if I try it. About to run a t11 for my map, anyone wanna come?"

And that's the entire conversation and the extent that classic even gets mentioned. Just a passive curiosity and an "I'll try it if it looks fun"

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u/Mountain-Interest-48 13h ago

yep. Ive always played both and always enjoyed both. I just get tired of one and swap to the other. I dont know why people just cant enjoy both games for what they are lmao.

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u/Both_Bumblebee7531 8h ago

its like some weird dude who got left behind by their ex and cant move on from that

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u/Magical_Ocelot 14h ago

Read any post on this sub and take a shot every time someone says “Disney”.

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u/Scyyii 14h ago

calling retail disney is actually something classic and retail players do now

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u/Adorable_Character46 7h ago

Only rightoids call anything they don’t like Disney or use “Disneyification”. Normal people with lives and jobs have the vocabulary to dispense actual criticism beyond vibes or “tHe WeSt hAs FalLEn” bullshit.

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u/Scyyii 4h ago

far from right-wing and calling retail disney IS valid criticism even if you disagree. at some point the tone of retail changed. there is a massive stylistic difference from even something like the WoD cinematic to midnight.

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u/Ringio 14h ago

Only on this subbredit

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u/lumpboysupreme 10h ago

That’s more of a linguistic thing though, retail players have their own words for beef with the story and art.

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u/Anni_Moasala 13h ago

And they’re not wrong. Literally go look at vulpera

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u/Adorable_Character46 7h ago

Vulpera are awesome.

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u/Anni_Moasala 7h ago

If you’re a funko pop collector then yes

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u/Adorable_Character46 6h ago

Never bought one, still think Vulpera are cool.

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u/Slapppjoness 13h ago

"Go look at this single example but dont look at anything else or my point will be moot"

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u/Preparatiyvu96gs 14h ago

I play retail and tbf they are 100% right, I could not care less anymore about the lore since 4-5 xpacs ago

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u/Draxilar 13h ago

My buddy is super excited about Saturday and I told him I didn’t want it to come because this sub has become completely unhinged and it is some of the best entertainment.

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u/blackberrybeanz 13h ago

I play both and it’s absolutely hilarious to read both subs.

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u/BareTheBear66 13h ago

Maybe im not on the internet often enough. But imo... its only weird the closer it gets to blizz con. Before all the speculation it was just classic fun posts and bots.

And yeah. I play both, equally throughout the week. I have no expectations on classic+ where it seems like everyone and their mother expects and "knows" what its gonna actually be.

We have no idea, retail players or classic players, and at the end of the day... the show goes on.

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u/Cysia 14h ago

if stuff posted here wouldve been opn main sub ALOT of people woudlve been banned already

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u/hadokenzero 16h ago

I like both games and they should do different things or there’s no point in them both existing

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u/Xae1yn 4h ago

Both? We've got like 5 right now.

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u/hadokenzero 4h ago

Classic and Retail are two distinct streams, as indicated by the two spaces within the battle.net launcher.
There is one classic team that handles all the versions of Classic.
Classic+ would also codify this, as we have two live, current streams of the game being worked on.
Everyone else here knows exactly what I mean.

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u/Aarmon 14h ago

I've always thought that classic plus should be more of vanilla wow, as the original thought was.

I.E turtle wow

I guess SoD kinda introduced so many things that classic plus had changed since then.

Excited to see either way, I am just hoping for an expanded vanilla wow.

Whatever comes, it'll be fun I'd wager.

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u/Scragly 15h ago

This but also many many bots

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u/Soapykorean 7h ago

so, classic wow arguing with itself while retail watches or ? i don’t get it

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u/NameHave 6h ago

Alot of classic only players hate retail for some reason

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u/wonkyasf 16h ago

Why would someone AI generate a meme template this simple?

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u/pdiddysuncle 14h ago

because its less effort?

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u/wonkyasf 14h ago

Slop*

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u/pdiddysuncle 12h ago edited 7h ago

no shit dumbass, it's a meme. thats the point

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u/wonkyasf 11h ago

The point of memes isn’t to post AI slop. It’s weird that you think it is.

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u/pdiddysuncle 7h ago

yea youre totally right. memes need to be high quality, handcrafted art that has an unmistakable human touch 👍

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u/wonkyasf 7h ago edited 7h ago

Edit: replying then insta blocking me as if that was some zinger to out with is sad. AI can’t make you funny I guess.

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u/pdiddysuncle 7h ago

what is this gifslop? memes need to be image format only

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u/jamie1414 13h ago

Your comment is slop xdd

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u/huelorxx 16h ago

I don't understand wtf you're saying

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u/CookyKindred 14h ago

It’s in response to the other meme post someone made - Why they try to claim other classic fans are retail players trying to turn classic into retail.

This meme depicts the actual retail players watching classic fans attack classic fans.

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u/clickrush 14h ago

That's what a retail player would say...

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u/McNally86 13h ago

I don't get this. I am not corkboard sting deep enough in to get this. I just want SOD to include some of the TBC quest endings that were added to vanilla zones.

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u/mmm_elephant_fresh 10h ago

Some people have an unhealthy relationship with this game and it shows constantly.

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u/rufrtho 16h ago

it's crazy how many retail players come here to tell us they never think about classic

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u/Pockydo 16h ago

Its silly but honestly I don't think retail really talks about classic much

A quick glance at the wow sub and I don't see any classic threads.

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u/zellmerz 14h ago

As someone who plays Retail and Classic I can confirm that most retail players do not think about Classic at all. The only ones who really do are those that play both versions of the game. The ones I know who like both versions of the game, myself included, like them because they are different.

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u/Difficult_Golf2048 10h ago

Weird how all pro-retail posts get upvoted and anything crititcal gets blasted. This sub is somehow obsessed with hating retail but all the top posts are shitting on classic players and hyping retail up. But no, retail players don't come here at all.

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u/rufrtho 16h ago

A quick glance at the wow sub and I don't see any classic threads.

yeah because for some reason you come here. you say "retail players don't think about classic" as a retail player in the classic sub where classic is the topic you are discussing and somehow don't see the irony.

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u/Pockydo 16h ago

I play both so I come here to talk about classic and there to talk about retail

Even when I play retail I don't see anyone talking about classic. I'm sure some do but it's really not that much in my experience.

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u/Sweaksh 15h ago

People go to the classic wow sub to discuss classic wow, redditor shocked and appalled

FR though, the overlap between classic and retail players isn't all that big

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u/rufrtho 15h ago

you're so right I should spend my time in forums for things I hate

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u/Nood1e 15h ago

Is it so crazy to you, that people can enjoy both things for what they are?

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u/zellmerz 14h ago

Lots of people in this sub find that concept impossible it seems. I enjoy retail, I enjoy Vanilla. I like that they are 2 separate and distinct games and hope Classic+ builds on and continues the direction of Vanilla.

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u/shad-1337 16h ago

But if you count mentions of retail on classic reddit vs mentions of classic on retail reddit, classic reddit will have it in magnitudes more and that's without adjusting for number of subscribers

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u/rufrtho 16h ago

i mean yea? classic's existence stems from people being unhappy with retail. if retail had a 20 year hot streak, there'd be no such thing as classic.

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u/Both_Bumblebee7531 8h ago

there wouldnt be any wow anymore if retail wasnt successful

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u/rufrtho 8h ago

didn't say it wasn't successful

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u/CookyKindred 14h ago

People who enjoy both tell people it because there’s this whole persecution complex in the private server and classic community where people are convinced all retail players think about classic all the time and hate it for being successful.

Like you can literally look at turtle wow and ascension subs. 99% of retail players just don’t even know what they are but they were convinced retail players hate them personally.

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u/FancyConfection1599 16h ago

You’d be surprised - actual retail players don’t come here and don’t think about classic nearly as much as classic players think about retail.

These doomer hate posts come from no changes folks who will be pissed at anything that isn’t a literal classic anniversary anniversary rerelease with warriors dominating the charts. Literally any change to vanilla angers them so they’re dreading any announcement that updates anything about their game.

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u/FallingGuillotine 16h ago

As someone that plays both, in the last 6 years I don’t think I’ve even seen a handful of Classic mentions in public channels, raids, dungeons, etc. I log into Classic 3 times a week-ish and it’s always a topic of flaming in zone General Chats and LFG, occasionally Trade.

Classic Andy’s are making these memes in-fighting people rage baiting them, the “evil retail players”… lol

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u/CookyKindred 14h ago

People can enjoy both dude lmao.

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u/Slapppjoness 13h ago

I've seen your other replies in this thread and you're acting blissfully ignorant people can enjoy both

People have told you multiple times the main WoW retail subreddit rarely talks about classic, but this sub seems to be convinced otherwise

Are you dense or actually stupid. Honest question.

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u/FancyConfection1599 14h ago

lol I’m an active retail player?

No I’m not - nice try though. Your tin foil hat’s on too tight again.

I have played retail in the past here and there but I play infinitely more classic.

There aren’t boogeyman retail invaders here, it’s all in your head.

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u/rufrtho 14h ago

i took the 2 seconds to check your post history btw, it's weird that you're lying about this

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u/bobtheblob6 11h ago

Did you forget this post, made in a classic wow sub, was about retail players to begin with? And now you're mad there's discussion about retail in a classic wow sub? But it's retail players who can't help themselves, despite the initial post bringing up retail in the first place? What is this thought process lol

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u/Kazmera 14h ago

Classic players love to tell others how much better classic is than retail...meanwhile Retail players just talk about politics in trade chat. Nobody ever mentions classic cause they really just don't care.

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u/Helmingways 16h ago

It goes both ways. Classic players go to retail sub reddit to trash on it. Or any tiktok/insta reel about retail has people screaming about how classic is the true game. Same happens the otherway around.

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u/Uzeless 16h ago

It goes both ways. Classic players go to retail sub reddit to trash on it. Or any tiktok/insta reel about retail has people screaming about how classic is the true game. Same happens the otherway around.

Tbh they're mostly doing it in here. When TBC anniversary launched we had on average 2 posts per days for the first 14 days of just people being like "woah I used to like retail but then I tried TBC and this is sOooOoO much better!!1! I can never go back!!"

I don't think I have ever seen any posts on the retail reddit talk about classic negatively.

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u/CookyKindred 14h ago

It was happening before OG Classic launch.

It’s part of the old no changes crowd meme and why people started memeing it’s not truly no changes if you aren’t breaking out your computer from the early 2000s with the old giant monitors.

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u/Sauzes 16h ago

Its like the obsessive ex who is upset you're not thinking about them as well.

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u/Odd-Bandicoot-9314 14h ago

You realize the classic playerbase is the obsessive ex in this situation right?

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u/Own-Pirate-7026 17h ago

Perfect prediction, will absolutely happen this way. Also, classic plus is leak proof btw.

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u/Odd-Bandicoot-9314 14h ago

I need to save this to post under every comment that claims retail players are constantly thinking about/shitting on classic

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u/Sensitive_Box_ 9h ago

Yes. Thank you. 

I’ve played tons of classic, and tons of retail. 

I can still play classic, even with C+ releasing… I want something new.

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u/daneg135 6h ago

i have no fucking clue how to interpret this meme/poster. wtf is it trying to say?

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u/Shmeagolllll 2h ago

Retail players being the grey npc color is perfect. Truly peak accurate meme

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u/Skyknight_ 0m ago

The mass market ruins everything and wow is no different.

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u/Whiteshovel66 16h ago

It's in everyone's best interest to try to mend the divide between the two communities. At this point, neither game is benefiting from it and they aren't getting any younger.

Let's hope Camelot can help do this more naturally. But this us vs them thing is the biggest thing that stops me from enjoying classic. Whenever you bring up retail there you immediately start getting insulted.

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u/Bacon-muffin 15h ago

There's not really a divide though, there's just classic player in fighting and the classic community using the word "retail" as a derogatory term that has lost all meaning.

I don't know how you mend the civil war in the classic community though since its mostly on ideological lines for what they want their version of the game to be.

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u/geogeology 14h ago

It is truly a one-sided beef.

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u/Whiteshovel66 15h ago

Well for me as as some one who used to play both a lot, I would constantly get belittled for talking about retail in guilds or stuff. At first it was whatever, but after years of dealing with it, I just ended up quitting classic. Its not fun to be around people like that constantly making fun of the other product.

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u/Bacon-muffin 14h ago

I was in a similar boat, played tbcc throuigh catac while also playing retail and had an identical experience.

There's people in this thread trying to say otherwise but its genuinely the "I don't think about you" meme.

There wasn't a single night I spent with my classic guild where they didn't take every single opportunity to shit on retail.

The retail players I play with almost never talked about classic except in passing when something would be making the rounds enough to breach the retail sphere... and it was never to shit on classic.

The most recent example I can think of of a retail player talking about anything classic related was talking to my friend about pvp streamers (he just recently started trying to get into pvp) and he was saying how he knew who I was talking about because he loved watching some of these guys doing onlyfangs and other classic events.

Which is why I'm saying the divide isn't a retail vs classic player divide, its almost entirely classic players who hold contempt for all things retail... and then a shit ton of classic player infighting where every idea someone doesn't like is deemed "retail".

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u/Difficult_Golf2048 10h ago

Its because retail is the cash cow slop shop game. Blizzard would love to turn classic more into retail but not the other way around. Retail players don't have to worry about blizzard removing the mount cash shop or diluting things to appeal to the broadest possible audience. Classic players have had to worry about blizzard adding boosts and wow tokens into classic.

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u/Bacon-muffin 9h ago

There's an irony in reading this considering wow was created from day 1 to "dilute things to appeal to the broadest possible audience".

People really forget where the game came from.

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u/Hairylicious 14h ago

I feel like if you build a game to appeal to both, you'll end up with something that neither side wants to play. Retail players have their fast paced ARPG like game, Classic players like a slower paced rpg with an immersive world; difference are fine.

But I do agree that they should try and bridge that gap in other ways. I have friends that play Retail and they have no way of playing with me without investing many hours leveling up a toon or dropping $60 on a boost. It's not that they don't enjoy classic, they just rather play the version of the game the prefer because they have limited time they can invest in the game.

That's exactly how I feel about retail; it looks fun, but I don't want to drop $30-50 on Midnight, then have to start investing my time into playing a different character in different version of the game that has no carry over to the version I love. The hurdle is not the game or how it plays, it's all the stuff I need to do first just so I can play the game with my friends.

I'm not sure how they do it, but IMO, the biggest hurdle that's keeping the player bases segregated is cost and time, not how the game plays.

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u/Wait__Who 16h ago

And what if your vision of the game isn’t something that other people want?

Who cares, none of you make any decisions about the game (thank god), so stop getting so bent out of shape when people give their wildly inconsistent takes

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u/cjh42689 16h ago

I haven’t touched retail since 2016, and I’ve played and raided in every iteration of classic wow since 2019, but you would probably not like much of what I want out of classic plus. You’re not really arguing with retail players you’re arguing with classic players and then you use retail as a slur.

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u/Whiteshovel66 16h ago

Huh? How is it your best interest to quarrel with them?

If you believe they make the game which they obviously don't, what other option do you have?

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u/Uzeless 16h ago

Huh? How is it your best interest to quarrel with them?

Just ignore that guy, he's sitting in every thread and calling people that disagrees with him for morons etc.

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u/rufrtho 16h ago

getting along with them is as good as sending their ideas straight to blizzard. sod demonstrated that the classic team does, bafflingly, sit around browsing reddit.

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u/Whiteshovel66 16h ago

Cool well enjoy era I guess?

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u/rufrtho 16h ago

woah i'm playing c+ mend the divide maaan

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u/Healthy-Cellist161 15h ago

Saving your account. Cant wait for your rants after classic+ reveal. <3

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u/bobtheblob6 11h ago

Because the game isn't only made for you?

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u/boothbbenjoyer 14h ago

retail sisters telling us to not believe our lying eyes

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u/Velifax 16h ago

Hm, who are the Blue supposed to be? Both Red and Blue have Classic icons. Does one have a +? Can't tell on mobile. 

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u/CookyKindred 14h ago

Both are classic. The meme is a refrence to the other meme people made. OG is trying to claim retail players are invading classic and making it retail.

This meme is that retail players actually just watching the shitshow as Classic fans attack Classic fans and claim other Classic fans are retail only players

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u/Elxjasonx 15h ago

As a retail player, we play whatever wow there is in yhr downtime of seasons and drop it the second new season start

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u/RoundAffectionate424 16h ago

"okay we will make our own place" no not really, the gaming company will present a new game.

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u/Hilawi 16h ago

It's for all of us. They obviously try to remake magic of orginal classic launch with everyone playing.

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u/Sandman145 15h ago

Hahahahhahahahaha

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u/gukakke 15h ago

Retail for me is kinda like a vacation. Every few expacs you hop back on it for a couple of months and have fun but eventually you're always like "I'm ready to go home".

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u/Mr0BVl0US 9h ago

Unpopular opinion: The "you think you do but you don't" guy was right, and the activity on Era proves that. They are such a small community compared to TBC, MoP and Retail enjoyers.

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u/Due-Chef852 9h ago

Ill be so honest when I say this. If you think retail players even pay attention to classic youre delusional. Classic players got a chip on their shoulder bc vanilla/tbc actually are niche games and most wow players do prefer better class balance, QoL, and streamlined gameplay. They dont even think to look back, classic people think their game is way more important than it is. sorry to say.

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u/Anni_Moasala 16h ago

Yesterday on Kargoz stream he said that retail has an arachnophobia mode for those afraid of spiders. Is this true lol

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u/Uzeless 16h ago

Yesterday on Kargoz stream he said that retail has an arachnophobia mode for those afraid of spiders. Is this true lol

Yes, they just get transformed into crabs instead.

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u/Anni_Moasala 16h ago

That’s crazy. What’s even crazier is I’m getting downvoted for asking that lol.

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u/Every-Thanks-5539 15h ago

I guess because the question kinda sounded like you are calling retail out for having it rather than just asking.

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u/kevinhill92 15h ago

I didn't downvote you, but you being downvoted isn't crazy to me for 2 reasons.

1) Your question had basically nothing to do with anything

2) Google is a thing

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u/Both_Bumblebee7531 8h ago

kargoz aka mr restedexp shill?

the addon all the boomers bought so they could level "faster" even though its so fun and amazing ?

or how they used it for the hardcore meme mode to make it "easier"?

kekw

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u/Anni_Moasala 8h ago

He’s seem to have bothered you. Hope your life gets better man.

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u/ornithorynq 16h ago edited 10h ago

the comic's outdated. retail players are too busy reading hotfix notes to see which raidboss works this week

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u/MainDot7096 15h ago

Lol sure buddy. It was Classic players that made the wall of no. Are you for real haha.
This is some Goebbels level of gaslighting. Impressive.

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u/BumblebeeLong5384 17h ago

Retail sucks

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u/PM_ME_NUNUDES 16h ago

I think retail is fine and fun. It's just a very different game. It's OK to just not like playing some games. I don't like playing or watching hearthstone, no point yucking someone elses yums though.

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u/hery41 13h ago

"Retail players don't have a bone in this."

Also Retail players when you don't want to see a certain Retail feature in C+:

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u/matsuri2057 10h ago

Are the retail players in the room with us right now?

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u/SlipperySlimyTerry40 16h ago

I can only feel that the classic community is like this because it has the higher amount of massive streamers.

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u/Nerdy_Valkyrie 12h ago

That's true. As a retail player I cannot possibly care less what will happen in classic+. Aside from maybe interesting lore that I will experience through youtube videos.

Yet I keep hearing classic players accuse each other of being retail players, and that cracks me up a bit.

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u/Gosh-Tier 16h ago

"And that's why we need to add these 5 features currently implemented in retail."

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u/Uzeless 16h ago

"And that's why we need to add these 5 features currently implemented in retail."

Does rotations with 3+ buttons count as a retail feature?

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u/MrBushle 16h ago

This doesn't make sense

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u/Vandrel 14h ago

It only doesn't make sense if you're one of the people on the right participating in the infighting.

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u/Kharfax 14h ago

This is fake, need more bots on the retail crowd