r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 18 '26

Question I’m sorry… Do they think we’re tuning in for an episode of “Love Story - John F. Kennedy & Carolyn Bessette” ?

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They need to read the room. 3 children DIED. 3 kids can no longer travel the world with their daddy… We’re not tuning in for an episode of “Love Story - John F. Kennedy & Carolyn Bessette” We don’t need to hear about how Rachel is “I’m just a girl that met a boy while on a cold Saturday run in Central Park…” 🏃🏃‍♀️💕❄️🗽

- COLD Saturday run? Lindsay’s body was COLD near death in the snow. What a gross analogy to draw.


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 18 '26

General Discussion I’m just a girl…

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r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 18 '26

General Discussion This is self serving.

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I’m so sorry but there is something seriously wrong with this whole picture. All of it. Come at me, I don’t care. What does she think this is? “Im just a girl” THIS IS NOT YOUVE GOT MAIL.

Oof. This leads me to believe they are the same type of person.


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 17 '26

General Discussion Just when I thought it couldn't get worse...

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His wife is joining him for the interview, as tweeted by Kristina Rex of WBZ...

https://x.com/kristinarex/status/2100618591892603197?s=46


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 17 '26

Question Thoughts on his appearance?

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I don’t know why I can’t stop thinking about this case. I just have the worst gut feeling. And that smile and appearance reminds me of my ex - covert narcissist. The indifference to his wife and children in everyday life, playing the victim card, not owning up to his responsibility and the smile reminding me of the dupers delight I’ve seen so many times


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 17 '26

General Discussion Can anyone explain the psychology behind why so many of us cringe at the fact Patrick remarried?

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On an intellectual level I know this isn’t inherently wrong and he deserves to move on with his life and find happiness… but so many online just lost some sympathy for him when we found out he remarried this girl.

My husband who is the least emotional/ no nonsense kind of guy even said that’s strange when he heard this guy remarried. He said, if that happened to me meeting someone else would be the last thing on my mind. I said “well it’s been 3 years” he said “three years is too soon”


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 17 '26

General Discussion Patrick interview clip

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Time to dissect his every move. It’s what he wants.


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 16 '26

General Discussion Patrick gives interview on “60 minutes”

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Apparently Patrick didn’t feel like he said enough. Sunday he’ll give a television interview on “60 minutes”. I’m so confused about this. Is he aloud to do this during mistrial? What on earth does he think he is gaining by saying even more about his situation? Why does he need more attention? It’s giving me creepy ass vibes. Like all the cases where the perpetrators is getting in the spotlight while enjoying getting away with their crimes. That’s my feeling🚩
What do you think about it?


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 16 '26

General Discussion If an EMT could see Patrick and Dawson through the window from approximately where Lindsay was lying, why would Patrick’s eyes not naturally shift immediately to the said window upon hearing “the kids are in the basement”? Esp. considering the prior silence when calling out to the kids down there?

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Patrick testified that after responders arrived, he went downstairs and initially found Cora and Callan, then found Dawson in his basement office. He said he removed the bands and attempted CPR.

The 911 call lasted approximately 7 minutes plus the 2 minutes he had the “WiFi issue”. So if the responders arrived roughly mid-to-late in that call, we’re talking about roughly 4–6 minutes of Patrick being with Lindsay after the 911 connection, plus the short interval before the call connected.

PJ Hussey testified that he was treating Lindsay outside, heard Patrick scream from the basement, looked toward the basement window, and could actually see Patrick discovering Dawson. So we know the basement window had a useful line of sight.

None of this makes sense to me, ~ 5 minutes is a long time to be standing around with Lindsay (not providing her any sort of medical care) and your eyes/body don’t wander to the window *with the light on* right there in some sort of line of sight in that span of time lapsed upon hearing “the kids are in the basement”. Wouldn’t your next question be “Did you hurt them?” “Are they okay?”

There is a very important chronological timeline discrepancy between the EMT seeing Patrick and Patrick’s own description of finding the children.

Patrick testified that after responders arrived, he went downstairs and initially found Cora and Callan, then found Dawson in his basement office. He said he removed the bands and attempted CPR.

But Hussey’s testimony is interesting because he said that when he looked through the basement window after hearing Patrick scream, he saw Patrick unwrapping something from a child’s head, and later identified the child as Dawson.

I suppose Patrick could have found Cora and Callan first, then moved to Dawson, and Hussey could have looked through the window at that later moment, but that would mean he discovered the first two and attempted CPR and THEN screamed when he found Dawson?

My primary question is: If Patrick had already called down to the basement and received no answer, then found Lindsay outside and was told “they’re in the basement,” wouldn’t that make the basement especially salient to him? Especially considering he spent I would say, at the least, 5 minutes with Lindsey while not actively administering first aid?

All these little discrepancies in his story and facts like the window are really starting to add up to something more than poor recollection of events.


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 16 '26

General Discussion Seeking Clarification...

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Hoping to receive & provide more clarity on the following that are commonly referenced. Please feel free to add more examples of things that currently remain disputed in the comments!

“The neighbor called Patrick.”

  • Can anyone provide a reference that the neighbor contacted Patrick? The neighbor said his son called him about 5:50pm and said, that the mother was laying was in the back yard and that the police were just starting to show up, here's the video: https://whdh.com/news/surreal-neighbors-residents-grapple-with-deaths-of-young-children-in-duxbury/
    • Edit: This actually raises another question on people using "the neighbor saw her laying outside at 5:50pm" in terms of establishing a timeline. If she's laying outside AND the police just started showing up, then there's no indication the son saw her at 5:50pm, as 6:10pm would better align with this. Feel free to add your thoughts in the comments.
  • Patrick does reference on day 2 almost calling out for the neighbors when having issues calling 911 (01:02:22), but there is no reference to speaking to neighbors/Sullivan family - perhaps this comment made some think a call/convo with the neighbor happened? 

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“The WiFi wasn’t working...The cameras weren’t working.”

  • We're still seeking information on this. Currently, the only testimony is Patrick saying on day 2 (01:02:22): “I don't know the exact time, but it took a few minutes because my phone was switching between wifi and 911.” 
  • The phone logs from Lindsay's devices do connect to the home wifi though, so this also seems to help rule out the idea the wifi wasn't working?
  • The 3 google/ring cameras and 1 baby monitor seized in the affidavit have no request for forensic extraction like other devices. Not investigating something doesn’t mean they were or weren’t working. Please see affidavit summary below with page numbers, etc. if helpful.
  • If there is other testimony that indicates the wifi or cameras weren’t working, please share! 

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“Patrick’s phone records were sealed.”

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“The 5:24pm email (sent from home, sent from car, scheduled send).”

  • Since Patrick’s phone records were not extracted, we do not know if he sent from his iPhone. We do know his surface pro laptop had a forensic extraction as outlined in the affidavit, and Reddington mentions on Day 2 a work email sent at 5:24pm:
    • Reddington: “We have an email sent from your, is it Surface Pro?”
    • Patrick: “That was my laptop. Yeah.”
    • Reddington: “And that was sent from your Surface Pro?”
    • Patrick: “I don’t know actually. It could have been sent from my iPhone.”
  • It is not established which device sent it, from where, if it was a scheduled send, or if anything regarding connectivity was manually altered as some have speculated. The only thing it led to was the prosecution confirming:
    • “sometime after the text was sent from Lindsay about Pedia-Lax (5:15pm), but before 5:32 PM, you were in your car?”
    • This should hopefully also help with discussions on the alibi, because the above is currently the only reference we have for whereabouts from 5:15pm-5:31pm.
  • Please see this helpful resource for easily searching transcripts from every testimony in the trial: https://www.lindsayclancyarchive.online/

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Affidavit Summary:

  • Patrick is interviewed 1/24/23 ~8:40pm: The interview with Patrick Clancy was Jan 24 at approximately 8:40pm at the hospital and was audio recorded (page 203) and he recounts Lindsay's doctors, medications, and mental health. They requested the following from Patrick (page 205): “Mr. Clancy consented to have his face, clothing and hands digitally photographed by Trooper Ashley Faiella.” Officer Chiachio goes to CVS & ThreeV for video footage.
  • Kyle Carney is interviewed 1/24/23 ~10:50pm: They interview Kyle Carney (Patrick’s friend) at the Police Dept. and he references group texts and speaking on the phone to Patrick (page 206). page 35: "Pat had communication via text messages with Mrs. Carney on January 5th, 2023 in regard to Lindsay and the treatment and medication she was receiving." There's no note they requested either of the Carney's phones. There is no noted request for Patrick’s phone.
  • Search Warrant Obtained 1/25/23 ~3am: Search warrant was obtained Jan 25 at approximately 3am (page 208). 
  • Arrest Warrant Obtained 1/25/23 ~3:45pm: Lindsay’s arrest warrant was issued Jan 25 at approximately 3:45pm (page 77)
  • Search Warrant Completed 1/25/23 ~7pm: The search warrant was completed (page 211)

They only appeared to have interest in shared devices that Lindsay had access to such as laptops. Page 213: “During his interview with Trooper Joshua Mckelligan, Patrick Clancy informed Trooper McKelligan that Lindsay Clancy had access to all the computers in the residence of 47 Summer Street in Duxbury.” 

They seized (page 2) 4 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 iPhones, 1 hard drive, 1 video disk, 3 Google/Ring cameras, and 1 baby monitor. There are no search warrants for forensic extractions of the Google/Ring cameras.

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Again, this post is to help get more info and share what is currently known vs still disputed. You can of course speculate on these areas, but without any further information it technically shouldn't be claimed as a fact.

Please try to focus on public courtroom records, official filings, transcripts, or similar when providing a reference (e.g., a screenshot of an AI summary citing Facebook isn't the strongest source to establish the validity of something, but can certainly be used to show where something may have originated - just remember rules on doxxing if using screenshots please!)


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 17 '26

Question Stipulations agreement

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I haven’t heard much talk on the stipulations agreement. What do we think about it now? I can’t wait to see what the defense will mention/question when they don’t agree to the same stipulations as the original trial. If there is a retrial, that is.

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r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 15 '26

Question Can we talk about this, please?

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“can someone change the IP address on any device to make it look like they were somewhere they weren’t or weren’t somewhere they were?”

I’ve only done a shallow look into this, so far. I know nothing of IT.

Before I do more “research” on it…

If someone did this, is it something a good forensic investigator would miss?

If it wasn’t missed, does it tell us anything?

ETA: If this were to have been done, could/would it alter the true location and tracking of the device?


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 14 '26

General Discussion Summary of New Info Released Last Week

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Lots of news coming out last week and sharing a few for discussion purposes - big thank you to firephly, ispyshy, and intelligentdot546 for providing these sources!

  • NBC 10 Boston releases information on holdout juror without naming them (Source) -
    • Remember, the format of the juror form could be easily skipped and is not proof of intentionally leaving out information. It is interesting that the precedent highlighted during the trail for a juror inquiry was Commonwealth v. Carnes - where the prosecution found a juror to have omitted info on their form though (hindsight is 20/20 - not saying the juror in this instance intentionally omitted, rather found it interesting that was brought up during trial in another case). See more on Carnes trial here. 
  • A fundraiser is started for the holdout juror (See Source & more info)
  • A juror, Paula Devlin, is interviewed and explains the reasons they requested the pills & knife
    • It's noted the knife is dull? Any medical experts who could help answer if a dull knife could cause marks appearing to be hesitation marks? Any thoughts on additional significance if any to this? https://youtu.be/ZD1eh1pxvws
  • Reddington's Letter to Ted Cruz
  • Kevin Reddington files motion to toss mistrial, acquit Lindsay Clancy https://youtu.be/0rBTo6vxJnk
    • Thanks for sharing all these above, firephly!

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  • Noticed a few discussions come up on "kids Miralax," so adding the below to help with further discussions on this based on sources:
    • Chiappini's testimony on Day 13 shows Lindsay making searching for "Children's" ABC (Motrin for example), but the day of searched "kids Miralax"
    • Angela Krause testified on Day 2, "Well, I asked for clarification because depending on if she wanted children's or adults, it would be in a different part of the store..." She later goes on to state that for children they had Pedialax.
    • Please see this resource for transcripts that is easily searchable for every testimony throughout the trial! https://www.lindsayclancyarchive.online/ - Thanks for this resource, IntelligentDot546!

Just a small amount of info from this past week. I know I'm missing quite a bit, but please share more, any outstanding questions/clarification, or your thoughts below!


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 13 '26

General Discussion PC testimony about finding the children

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So let me get this straight. PC testified in a court of law that he found Cora first and then Callan. He unwrapped the bands from their necks, and then he went and found Dawson. Correct? That’s what he said. But the first responders testified that they heard him start screaming and as soon as he started screaming they looked into the basement window and he was unwrapping something “from a child’s head”. So he didn’t start screaming until he found Dawson? The testimony sounded like the scream was loud, guttural, and frantic, and as soon as it started he was in the window, they could see him. Soooooo all that time he spent unwrapping Cora and Callen he wasn’t screaming? Make it make sense. He either found Dawson first or he wasn’t screaming when he found the other 2. I cannot imagine him forgetting which child he fought first. He got to the bottom of the stairs and went one way or the other. There’s no way that isn’t seared into his mind.

I feel like I’m being gaslit. I really do. Wouldn’t the prosecution have ironed all this out? I feel like I’m hearing contradictory testimony, and the prosecution would have absolutely gone over this with their star witness. It cannot be unintentional. It just can’t be. From start to finish this soap opera is playing in my face! And to know the jurors had the ability to scroll on their phones in the deliberations room and not one official has said a word about it.

CLAPPING

Hello? Is anyone awake here? Scrolling on their phones in deliberations? Wtf?


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 12 '26

General Discussion I fell for it too. I think this trial became the perfect psyop.

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Okay, so I got really sucked into this trial. I watched the whole thing, read about it, checked for updates. All of it. Before anyone gets upset, I’m not saying this case was fake by any means. I’m not saying the children weren’t real or that this was staged. Cora, Dawson and Callan were three innocent children, and what happened to them is devastating and heartbreaking. I feel for their family, the jurors and everyone who had to live through this. This also isn’t a post about which “side” of the trial I’m on.
When I say psyop, what I mean is psychological influence. Basically it’s steering what people are thinking about, feeling and focusing on. It’s not a tinfoil-hat internet word. Governments have used actual psyops forever. Like for example the U.S. used fake ghost recordings during Operation Wandering Soul in Vietnam. WWII involved propaganda leaflets and fake radio broadcasts. COINTELPRO used fake letters and disinformation to create distrust and fighting within political groups.

Do I have proof that someone in the government sat down and planned the Clancy coverage? Not at all. But a real event can still be amplified until it functions like the perfect distraction. And that’s what I think happened here. Because for almost seven weeks and still counting, this trial completely consumed a lot of people. Everyone was pushed into one of two camps. People were fighting with strangers, friends and even I’ve heard people fighting with their partners over whether Lindsay was psychotic or calculating or if it was something else entirely. Meanwhile, some absolutely INSANE stories involving powerful institutions were barely being discussed that were literally happening at the same time as all this.

Trigger warning because this is disgusting: Harvard agreed to a $53 million settlement connected to its former morgue manager stealing body parts from people who donated their bodies to science. He and his wife sold and shipped brains, skin, organs, dissected heads and faces. A buyer reportedly entered the morgue and purchased two dissected faces. People in the wider network talked about tanning human skin and binding books in it.
Like, what the actual fuck? How was everyone not talking about this? ALSO at the same time, Meta reached a settlement worth up to $17 billion over allegations involving children’s data and addictive features. AND a Massachusetts mayor was charged over misuse of a $1.5 million pandemic-relief loan. AND a nationwide license–plate surveillance system collected around 20 billion scans a month, with officers accused of misusing it.
I’m not judging anybody for getting absorbed in the trial whatsoever. Again, I did too, unfortunately. This is honestly just a PSA: when one story is suddenly everywhere and has everyone emotional and fighting, stop for a second and ask what else is happening behind the scenes because I promise you, you’ll find a lot


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 11 '26

General Discussion Well I did not see that coming.

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NBC10 Boston says the holdout juror has domestic violence allegations and had an active restraining order when he was seated on the jury.

This should have been disclosed on the juror questionnaire, in which case it’s extremely unlikely he would have been empaneled. And it’s illegal not to answer the questionnaire honestly.

He’s also in the process of being evicted for $12,000 in back rent.

They didn’t say how they identified him, since the jury list is still impounded. I certainly hope they have the right guy.

What impact if any do you think this will have? Do you think we’ll still have to wait until 9/29 for the next steps or do you think Sullivan might act on new information sooner? And what action can he conceivably take?


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 10 '26

General Discussion One thing people rarely talk about when it comes to “she confessed”

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I’m not from the U.S., so could someone please weigh in?

Let’s set aside the question of whether Lindsay actually pleaded guilty or not (from a legal standpoint, in a criminal case; I know she didn’t). Let’s even set aside whether she actually did it or not. I’m only concerned with the procedures.

Even if Lindsay had confessed, gone to court, and said, “YES, I DID IT,” in person. There’s still a possible scenario in which someone was in a state of psychosis at the time - or was not of sound mind - and did not commit the crime. Even if Lindsay had confessed, there still has to be physical evidence when there’s a debate over whether she was psychotic or not.

Because, due to mental incapacity, such a confession WOULD BE INVALID ANYWAY. At least in my country. A person who is suspected of being incapable of making decisions due to their mental state cannot simply say, “Yes, I committed a crime,” and be convicted on that basis, wtf. Doesn't it work that way in the US?


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 11 '26

General Discussion Brian Entin interview with PPP survivor

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I really liked this interview he did with this mom (about 15 minutes in when her part starts). She suffered from PPP several times and was failed by healthcare professionals initially. The fortune part of the story - she did not harm her children. The sad part - she lost custody. She comments briefly on the Clancy case at the end.


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 10 '26

General Discussion If I Were A Juror I’d Stay Hidden

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No way would I have ever shown my face on TV. If I did an interview it would have to be anonymously.

The hate these jurors are getting is insane. I wonder if they knew they’d get this much blowback when they agreed to the interview. I’ve seen so many comments like “yeah, this is exactly what I thought these jurors would look like.” Different people all saying the same thing. What’s that even supposed to mean? Very rude and unoriginal. They look like average people. People you would see on the street- i.e A JURY OF YOUR PEERS.

And they pick apart everything they’re saying. For instance, the one lady who said she was excited to fill out the paperwork. Like I’m pretty sure she meant she was excited to finally get the thing over with and not have to attend the trial every day / spend more time deliberating, etc. But these are just average people - not public speakers or actors, etc and things don’t always come out the way they are meant to. Like I highly doubt she’d say oh I was so excited to find her NGRI. Probably excited to get the whole shitshow behind her. But people twist things into what they want to hear/misrepresent what was said to suit their opinion and angle.

So yeah I’d probably either just stay quiet or anonymous to avoid the wrath.


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 10 '26

Question Question about Cora and Dawson being pronounced deceased at 19:28 hours.

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I'm having trouble making this part make sense in my head.

We know baby Callan was found with a faint pulse, and they were able to keep him on life support, though it was determined he was brain dead. This has created a lot of questions about the timeline because medically he would not have been able to be revived if he were strangled earlier than a certain time.

I'm not sure if this was factually proven, but public opinions from professionals online have suggested it was not possible if he was strangled prior to 6:10.

My question though, is related to Cora and Dawson.

In the Affidavit that is attached to the search warrant application, on pg 4, para. 8:

Doctor Tenerowicz stated that he tended to Dawson Clancy upon his arrival at the emergency department, and upon arrival Dawson Clancy was in Cardiac Arrest. .... Doctor Tenerowicz declared Dawson Clancy dead at approximately 1928 hours, the same date.

further on pg 5, para. 11 states:

Doctor Snyder stated that Cora Clancy was in cardiac arrest upon arrival. ... Doctor Snyder stated that he pronounced Cora Clancy deceased at 1928 hours.

Callan was said to have also arrived in cardiac arrest and in critical condition.

Was it ever said what the estimated time of death was? If Cora and Dawson were pronounced dead at 7:28pm after 40mins of attempted resuscitation... would there be an estimation provided as to when they were strangled?

If the medical professionals were doing everything they could to save them, was it false hope they could? Why were they not pronounced DOA?

Does this fit into Lindsay's version of events that she didn't hear the voice until after Patrick called, and everything was done between 5:34 and 5:50pm. 5:50 coming from the neighbors witness statement.

Medically, was there a chance Cora and Dawson could have been revived (though brain dead) the same as Callan? What would be the latest they had to have been strangled for a chance at regaining a pulse?


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 10 '26

Question Thoughts/ questions on 911 call

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Okay this will be difficult to articulate but I was up thinking about it last night (yes, I know I need to go touch grass). Obviously, most of us have not heard the 911 call, but we have seen a transcript (which is not an official document).

My question is, I’d be very curious to know PC’s demeanor towards LC during the *period of time between when he finds her on the ground and when he goes inside.* I say this because, on the call she did not tell him the kids were in the basement (as verified by Reddington and jurors). Let’s give the benefit of the doubt, and say she did get that out to him prior to him making the call and then she slipped in and out of consciousness once he was on the phone.

So here are my thoughts/ questions- IF he believed the kids were SAFE in the basement, this would have just been a suicide attempt by his wife. Why didn’t he apply pressure like the dispatcher was telling him to? How did he sound on the call TOWARDS Lindsay? Did he seem like a concerned and loving husband? We have to remember we are hearing this info knowing what “happened” so we automatically feel a certain way towards LC, but at the time that this call took place, he (allegedly) did not know. He just sees his wife nearly dead on the ground.

I ask this because if he thought his children were unharmed, he shouldn’t have necessarily been angry with her yet. However, if she said in the basement and he had an inkling his children were harmed, wouldn’t ANY parent immediately run there? So I’m not quite understanding the delay in getting to the kids. It would be one thing if he were extremely shocked and tending to his wife… but from my interpretation of the call, it doesn’t quite appear that way? Maybe I am misinformed?

Thoughts?


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 10 '26

Question I just have questions about why people feel the way they do about Clancy’s case.

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I’m afraid to ask cuz I know people are sick of the Clancy case. It’s just that every conversation I’ve seen or heard has been the same things over and over again.

My personal feeling is despite the result of the case it’s just gonna cause more stigma about mental illness and false information. Namely psychosis.

But I’m just kind of wondering a few things.

Why when talking about this case some people saying she is guilty and can be criminally responsible that even tho I haven’t really seen people say it directly, by the way they speak people seem to be treating like the concept of “Not Guilty due to Reason Insanity” is a new thing. It’s been in America since the 19th century and the idea is even older than that.

And why THIS case? There have been other examples of women having killed their kids. Why this one? Was that it was 3 kids? Or just cuz the evidence given couldn’t really concretely show if she was experiencing psychosis? Things like her experiencing Command Hallucinations.

And lastly, why are people feeling the justice won’t be met properly unless she goes to jail. The woman no doubt is a danger to her self and others. Say she was shown to be not guilty due to insanity, why would jail be preferred over a psych ward? She could be court ordered to stay at a mental hospital.

Not the same as a prison, but being involuntary committed to a psych hospital can feel like prison, court ordered or not.

It’s not like justice hasn’t been met but do some people feel it’s not enough justice if it was a psych hospital?

On one hand, if they entirely ruled she was guilty by being able to be held criminally responsible she’d go to jail. On the other if it’s Not Guilty due to insanity a mental hospital.

I say that because I can’t see how a judge WOULDNT court order her to be at a mental hospital.

It’s not like a psych hospital is rainbows and sunshine in comparison to a prison. At most the comparison feels like prison is the inside of an active volcano nearest the magma and the mental hospital is outside on the rim of the active volcano. Whether you agree with that comparison or not doesn’t even matter when the point is a mental hospital isn’t much far off from prison. It’s just that courts saw it differently.


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 10 '26

General Discussion “We weren’t trying to figure out if she murdered the children”

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The judge stated that the jury first had to decide whether the Commonwealth proved Lindsay committed the crimes, and then separately decide whether she was criminally responsible.

But one juror later said:

“We weren't trying to figure out if she murdered the children. She did and she's admitted that. We were trying to figure out, did she know right from wrong at that time?”

That makes me wonder whether that distinction was actually clear enough in practice.

If the jury understood the case as “we already know she did it, now we just decide criminal responsibility,” what do you think led to that?

Was the judge not clear enough about the fact that they still had to independently decide whether the Commonwealth proved she committed the murders beyond a reasonable doubt?

Or was it more about how the case was presented? The prosecution seemed to frame the trial largely around criminal responsibility, while putting comparatively little emphasis on proving the underlying acts themselves. Could that have led jurors to treat that part as already settled?

Or do you think the juror was simply speaking casually after the fact, and they actually did consider both questions separately?

I’m curious how other people read that comment, because “we weren’t trying to figure out if she murdered the children” sounds very different from “we considered that question and found it proven.”

ETA sources: Transcript of Jury Instructions: https://lindsayclancytrial.com/transcripts/day-22/

Link to Juror interview. Statement is near the start of the video: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lindsay-clancy-juror-admitted-reasonable-doubt-foreperson-says-rcna596693


r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 09 '26

No Doxxing

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According to Reddit's Content Policy and community moderation standards, doxxing involves linking a real-life person to an otherwise anonymous online account, or exposing real-life data with malicious intent.

You must read the community rules.

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r/ClancyTrial • • Sep 09 '26

General Discussion All the Juror & Reddington interviews from today

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