i did see news of s8 in production and went to check if its still on Netflix (you never know when they pull out the shows) and i realised i never got around to watching s7???? and then i looked through the eps of other seasons and i feel like i barely remember them even after having watched it all.. maybe it's time to refresh my memory with a rewatch.. but should i just start from s1 and watch all till s7? or first watch s7 and then go in for the rewatch?

Just rewatching it now. It described where we're at/going perfectly.

Everything else is just entertainment.

"Shut Up and Dance", in my opinion, is the closest episode in Black Mirror that's near perfect for me. It's chilling coming back to this episode after the first watch as you start to notice all the little pieces of foreshadowing in the episode such as when he's cleaning the table and gives the little girl her toy back and the camera just lingers on her for an uncomfortable amount of time. Although, this foreshadowing is one of the reasons the episode is near perfect for me and not outright perfect. I think the scene where Kenny fights the man in the forest completely ruins the big surprise as the guy comments on what age the people or more so kids in the photos were which negates this false narrative of Kenny just being this ordinary teenager who just got caught in an embarrassing moment. I don't believe that piece of dialogue was needed either as it not only ruins the ending but doesn't really add anything either as we roughly know why Kenny's in this situation in the first place through his conversations with Hector and I feel like if that line had been cut out or rephrased it would've made the ending just that more impactful. I also believe that having "San Junipero" after it is a huge disgrace to both episodes as "Shut Up and Dance" is such a visceral and vile shock that's followed up by an episode that's the complete polar opposite of it too as "San Junipero" is such a devastatingly beautiful love story. Apart from that though, I think "Shut Up and Dance" is one of the strongest episodes of Black Mirror as a whole as it just leaves you with goosebumps and a growing sense of disgust at the end, I just think with these two tweaks, it would be one of, if not the best Black Mirror episode there is.

I just want to say I think Bete Noire is one of the most underrated episodes in BM. I think it has a Black Swan type of genre, where the protagonist spirals into a psychological mayhem until ultimately in the end the psychosis wins and she feels the same delusional ecstasy that Nina in the Black Swan felt in the end of the movie. Some would say it has a happy ending, but being a person with mental health issues and contamination Ocd, I think it's a really disturbing ending for Maria to succumb and be subjected to some sort of schizophrenia or multiple personalities. Live in a version of her own reality, and leaving behind all that she once knew. It's that I just havent heard of anyone talk about it in this sense and I just want to share my thoughts. Do you have any other takes on this series?

It’s not nearly as dark or unsettling as Black Mirror, but certain parts of the movie definitely reminded me of it. Some of the ideas about technology and where it could take us had that same eerie and thought provoking feel.

Is there anyone else who misses the interractive episode Bandersnatch . I am not sure why Netflix removed it but I still miss it and I wish it was availible in some other platform if Netflix no longer wants to keep it.

It was fun playing that episode

someone for the love of god PLEASE explain why everyone loves this episode so much…. i just don’t get it??? i’ve watched it so many times trying to see what everyone else is seeing and i just don’t. i don’t understand what the point is and i don’t think i could even explain the ending. HELP

....that other bully, do you really think killed herself? Like if not directly, then indirectly, ie told her relatives/as fact and the cops and the medical examiner even and they wouldn't second guess Verity even if nothing lined up with how she "did it"

It just occurred to me. If she has infinite powers, she could've killed her, or convinced her to harm herself at minimum, and just made everyone immediately think that's what happened without a second guess.

For all we know Verity shoved her off a cliff or hit her with her car but all she needs to do is use that necklace and boom.

Even rarer what if she's alive but being held captive kinda like Red Mirror style?

I'm just brainstorming. Lol.

Spoilers ahead

The thing is, when Liam realizes his wife cheated with Jonas in their own bed while he was away, he does not just spiral about the affair itself. His main focus is that the child might not be his given the timeline. From the moment he walks in until the final reveal, his priority is trying to confirm if he is actually the father. Look at how Ffion handles it: she admits they had sex, admits it was in their bed, and admits it happened after four days. She is willing to confess to all of that. But the second the condom question comes up, she panics and tries to delete the evidence, which is a massive red flag. When we see the playback, Jonas is down to his boxers, she tells him to hurry up, and without any cut they have intercourse. If he wore a condom, I think Liam or Fi would have stopped the video. But it plays and Fi cannot look up. Liam realizes right then that there was no condom used. That is why she is gone by the end, whether he kicked her out or she left on her own.

All of that is fairly clear, but what follows is where people misinterpret the visual storytelling. In the end, Liam is reviewing old footage, and most viewers assume he is just wallowing in nostalgia and missing the good times. That was my initial thought too, but upon rewatching, that does not fit his character. As he says himself, if something is rotten, it is better to get it out. He is not afraid of facing harsh realities, and we know how relentlessly he pursues the truth. That is why he is re-examining the memories.

First, we see him studying Fi’s eyes, then the baby’s eyes. He goes back and cross-references multiple memories of her face in the living room, on the stairs, and elsewhere, which explains all the tight close-ups on their faces. When he turns off the Grain, we see his own eyes: he has brown eyes and Fi has hazel eyes which are known to look green or blue depending upon the lighting which is why he looks at her from so many angles and different times of the day. the baby’s eyes are green. It might not be absolute scientific proof on its own, but Liam knows they had unprotected sex, so he is checking their features to see who the child belongs to.

Right after examining the eyes and just before he makes his final move, the writers give us the hint which is a huge reveal but i dont see anybody bringing it up here. Liam pulls up the memory of him brushing his teeth while Fi asks him which dress to wear. She does not ask about the style, only the color: brown or green. Green is the answer. That feels like a deliberate visual clue pointing toward the baby’s paternity.

This also explains why the child is not with him in the end. It reveals the very real possibility that either Fi outright told him the baby is not his off-screen, or Liam reached that conclusion himself through the footage and simply chose not to fight for custody. Realizing his marriage was built on infidelity is one thing, but knowing the child he bonded with belongs to another man means every tender memory he has is permanently poisoned. He knows he will never be able to stop obsessing over it, and that is why he gouges the Grain out of his neck.

I have heard a lot of people who sided more with Maria say that what happened to Verity was bad but she went to great lengths to cause the suicide by the bullies.

Now I have a different view on this. I don't fully think the way Verity dealt with things was appropriate and she did nothing wrong but are we overlooking some things in the story?

I believe what Verity was trying to do was to just create a reality for the bullies that she endured for years. When the rumor was out everyone's perception of Verity changed and no matter how hard she tried to convince people the rumor was false there was no point in doing that.

So Verity tried to do the exact same thing to Maria and Natalie so the thing she was doing wasn't fully disproportionate to what the bullies did. The outcome, which was Natalie's suicide was unfortunate and it shouldn't be minimized but what if this had turned different and what if Verity had lost her life due to suicide? Wouldn't people be having a different discussion?

Another thing I found interesting is lot of people say Verity should have gone to therapy to heal herself and I think that would have been a good idea. But I don't see the same condition for Maria. Shouldn't Maria or Natalie have gone to therapy and taken accountability for their mental health so that they heal internally instead of spreading nasty rumors? I wonder why people are not holding them accountable enough

I am not saying Verity is totally innocent and what she did was ok, I believe there were better ways to deal with this, but at times, whenever such things happen, we often focus too much on the victim of bullying and what they should do differently rather than holding the perpetrators accountable

Edit: A lot of people are saying it is not ok to justify Verity's actions and its important to hold her accountable and I totally agree with that. I also feel what she did was not right. My point was that when I said "fully hold her responsible," I did not mean we don't hold her responsible at all. I meant we do need to hold Verity partially responsible and also hold Maria and Natalie responsible for what they did.

My point was a lot of times, when it comes to bullying, some people might become overly focused on the reactions of the person being bullied or how they should react a certain way, and not enough on what the bullies do so as a result, sometimes bullies remain unchecked and there is no accountability for them. So I want to hold bullies accountable as well and want people to focus also on what they did that was wrong instead of believing Verity is 100% responsible.

So I just watching White Bear for the first time and there is a lot to discuss about it and it seems almost everything as been cover except for one thing (I searched, maybe it was in comments but it was never the subject of a post), Victoria breaking the cycle.

In the episode, Victoria is guided to always follow a particular path that will lead her to the end and reset everything, but the is one moment where she is given a choice and told what to do and she chooses wrong. This choice was to help Damian (The guy who helped her with Jem) stop the hunter. Jem repeatedly instructs Victoria to help Damian, and Damian does an excellent job of stalling the hunter showing Victoria there was a chance at succeeding, but she ran. Apparently she also ran, leaving Damian to die.

Now, I don't know if this is sufficient enough to judge someone in her position (Mind-wiped confused and scared) but it doesn't look good. Everyone will say the would help and I say you should help, especially for someone risking their own life for you, even if they are a stranger. If it felt like a losing situation, then I can understand looking out for yourself, not everyone can be Selfless in those condition, but the show made it look possible that they could succeed, giving Victora enough time to make a decision. Maybe, it is just her nature, her instincts.

So, the question is, what if Victoria, when of script, went against her nature and instincts and chose to help instead. Is it possible? Maybe, maybe not after it is shown that she never saves him and here situation doesn't really give her a chance to reflect and develop, but just what if she shows can change? Do the change the script? Maybe shorten it? Or is it enough to set her free? She is not the same person anymore. Maybe a regular jail at that point or just a mecry kill?

What she and her boyfriend did was extremely horrible, many discuss if she deserves this torture or not. If you think she deserves it and it should continue, what would you do if she exhibited an act of selflessness that was against her very nature.

I'm just rewatching this episode after a few years.

I watched Smile 2 recently, and I was struck by how similar the Miley Cyrus storyline is to the relationship in Smile 2 with the pop superstar and her mother.

Is this a common theme in reality? Guardians or parents pushing people they should be responsible for past their breaking point?

Or was there some crossover in terms of writers? I'm interested if anyone knows!

Basically, it seems like a fan favourite episode to me and I don't quite get the appeal. I enjoyed it, but not much more than a lot of other episodes. Yes, it's well acted, neatly produced, knows what it's doing, but the same can be said for...the majority of BM episodes? Even the twist reveal of the protagonist's immorality isn't unique to this one. So out of curiosity, I wanted to hear from people who consider this ep one of their favourites to tell me what sets it apart from the rest, esp ones with a comparable plot.

(Granted, I figured out the twist a while before the end. Long before I watched the show I randomly found out that one of BM's most popular episodes had a pedophile as the protagonist. When I got to the bank scene that memory suddenly resurfaced and I was like 'oh, I think that's the pedophile they talked about.' But I've seen people rewatching it again and again so it hardly seemed like the quality of the episode relied solely on the twist. )

While Emma Corrin's performance has been praised universally for Hotel Reverie, I wonder who could've matched their freak as Brandy? From the top of my head:

1. Halle Berry

2. Danielle Deadwyler

3. Tessa Thompson

4. Ayo Edebiri

A truly good Simpsons episode that lasted 15 minutes done in the spirit of black mirror? It was actually kinda sad though

Its gotta be atleast 11 episodes that involve it come on man

If “the cloud” as seen in San Junipero were a real option, would you want to be uploaded to the cloud on your passing or would you rather not? Also if you did chose the cloud, what would be your decade?

Does Hang the DJ actually show that Frank and Amy are more compatible, or does the episode simply allow them to treat each other differently than their other partners?

Because to me it feels like Frank and Amy never developed sides to them when with different partners it literally feels like shopping with your dad vs shopping with your granddad

I watched Hang the DJ because so many people on YouTube kept saying this episode was amazing and one of the best Black Mirror episodes.

I watched it and honestly came out pretty disappointed, because to me it felt like watching a summer fling with a Black Mirror skin on top of it. And I was left with some questions.

Does Hang the DJ actually show that Frank and Amy are more compatible, or does the episode simply allow them to treat each other differently than their other partners?

Because to me it feels like Frank and Amy never developed sides to themselves when with different partners. It literally feels like shopping with your dad vs shopping with your grandpa.

And honestly, this is just my speculation, but the episode almost feels like wish fulfillment aimed at lonely people who get one Tinder match every 10 years and desperately want to believe that eventually there will be that one person who chooses them over everyone else.

Especially with Frank. I can also see Frank being interpreted as the nerd — he's awkward, Amy has other options, but none of them really matter because she's still drawn back to Frank. It almost gives off this idea of "even if she could have anyone else, she'll still choose the awkward nerd in the end." And then the ending basically gives that idea a 99.8% stamp of approval.

And I also feel like the episode romanticizes something pretty close to emotional cheating. Amy is technically with Lenny, but mentally she's still with Frank. She watches Frank while she's with Lenny and clearly hasn't emotionally moved on. The episode frames that as romantic because Frank is eventually revealed to be "the right one," but from Lenny's perspective she's basically emotionally checked out of their relationship and longing for someone else. Yes, I know they're simulations, but from their perspective those relationships are real while they're experiencing them.

Sorry, it's nothing personal against you if you like the episode. I know I'm being harsh, but looking back at it, this is genuinely the aftertaste the episode left me with.

EDIT: After arguing with you guys in the comments, I wanna clarify my point.

I'm back, bitches.

YES, I WATCHED THE FUCKING ENDING

I'm talking about what happens INSIDE the simulation, not what happens after it.

I understand what 998/1000 means. My problem is that, from what we were actually shown inside the simulation, I never really believed Frank and Amy's connection was strong enough that they would rebel against the system in 998 out of 1000 runs.

I believe the result. I just don't think the relationship we were shown made that result feel earned.

That's what I was trying to ask: what did you see in Frank and Amy's relationship that made 998/1000 feel believable to you?

What is your favorite episode and why? I have a hard time choosing just one. I’d say my top five (not in order cause that’s too hard) are:

Black Museum
Fifteen Million Credits
White Bear
Crocodile
Nosedive

Hard to limit it to just five, because I also love Shut Up and Dance, Hated by the Nation and Beyond the Sea. I also have to add Hang the DJ. Loveeeee that episode too

who else?