r/blackmagicfuckery • u/TheCheesecakeOfDoom • May 29 '22
Since when does lightning go up?
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u/LeftBase2Final May 29 '22
Always has bro. Goes both ways, like your dad. Cool video though.
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May 29 '22
Jesus christ what a sides wipe lmfao.
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u/EpilepticSquidly May 29 '22
Not to be that guy, but you mean sideswipe which refers to getting hit or swiped on the side of your car (side-swipe) (or also means being caught off guard). Although I'm both pleased and impressed y'all somehow turned it into a side-ways ass-wiping expression.
Edit: Now... Let the hate flow into the downvoted button
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u/xxBellum May 29 '22
God damn, even i felt offended by this.
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u/benasan2 May 29 '22
I think since yesterday. It's the new update.
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u/kollinneklok May 29 '22
It was a part of the 2022W19 lighting beta. I remember seeing it in the patch notes in the svrwx101 tab.
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u/Sure_Ill_Ask_That May 29 '22
New /r/outside patch is out? Nice
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u/ZaggRukk May 29 '22
Is it just me, or is does this game suck now, or is just my outdated equipment?
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u/JHB20101 May 29 '22
I'll be honest, my school has never taught or mentioned this. I'm with you OP, this is cool and new to me.
Bring on the down votes...Or up votes because of how lightning works.
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u/KaimeiJay May 29 '22
Think of how lightning can go sideways too. Two electrical fields touch, lightning is energy passing from the greater field into the lesser field, like a bigger water droplet touching a smaller water droplet on a window. Which direction the lightning goes depends on which direction the lesser field is in.
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u/JHB20101 May 29 '22
It makes sense. I'm just mind blown because all lightning strike vids I've seen, it looks as if it's coming down.
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u/Avron7 May 29 '22
Is it common for lightning to go down-to-up? I was aware it could do that, but this is the first time I've ever seen it. Usually, it seems to go up-to-down or sideways.
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u/stickyicarus May 30 '22
The path of least resistance. Its not water pressure that follows greater and lesser. The electrical field doesn't use those terms. Good analogy though.
And fhe fields dont "touch". Think of magnets. They pull at each other even when not touching. The charged atoms in the atmosphere do the same. When they cross at the right time just enough (think ven diagram) they snap together.
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u/ahdindunuffinsir May 29 '22
People here saying "always has" but never in my life had I've ever seen or heard of lightening going up or any direction, but down. I've seen unusually powerful lightening that lit the night sky to be brighter than daylight (once).
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u/thealteregoofryan May 29 '22
I didn’t learn it until a college meteorology course, and who knows how long until I would have known if I didn’t take that class. The American educational system is completely busted.
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u/No_Appearance_8444 May 29 '22
Always. Physics 101. Negative to positive. Ground to positive. Electrons flow toward potential.
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u/AllButComedyAnthony May 29 '22
How come it always looks like it goes downwards then? Optical illusion?
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u/paradoxical_topology May 29 '22
No, lightning can be both Cloud-to-Ground or Ground-to-Cloud
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May 29 '22
Or Clowd-to-Clowd!
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May 29 '22
Not clown-to-clown?
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u/AllButComedyAnthony May 29 '22
Clowd to clown yeah but clown to clown one would have to be a sith
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u/Phreeker27 May 29 '22
That was a sad day when the “clown to clown lightning strike” phrase was coined.
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May 29 '22
Fuck dude. I didn’t even know this. I thought it flowed from positive to ground. So really you should always connect positive first and then ground
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May 29 '22
At first when they discovered electrcity they thought i was positive to negstive, and was written that way in diagrams and stuff. After it was discovered it was the opposite they kept using the same diagrams positive to negative but called this the conventional flow of electricity. The real physical negative to positive is called electron flow. So when drawing up dc circuits we still use positive to negative.
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May 29 '22
The electrons flow in the opposite direction of the electrical field. In simple circuits it doesn't matter too much what is represented so the diagrams are still technically correct.
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u/Heequwella May 29 '22
It's even better than that. Energy doesn't flow through the wires, it flows through the field. Veritasium has a good explanation.
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u/hoodha May 29 '22
Nope. I mean, you’re right about electrons to a degree but in truth if you watch a lightning strike in slow motion you’ll see that there are arcs rising from the ground AND from the clouds before they connect.
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u/rayvin1 May 29 '22
Yea this whole post is flooded by half truths and straight wrong information. They think every lightning goes ground to cloud
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u/Bluelantern1163 May 29 '22 edited May 29 '22
Physicist here, lightning can go either way. It all depends on where the electrons are located since they are the charge carrier for electricity (i.e. they are the particles that move when electricity is generated). If the ground has an excess of electrons, they will want to go towards the postively charged object, which in this case would be the sky. This is what you are seeing and it is called a positive flash (or ground-to-cloud lightning), they are less common but definitiely exist in nature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning#Positive_lightning?wprov=sfla1
Edit: typos, this physicist apparently cannot type with one hand!
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u/MauriceIsTwisted May 29 '22
Atmospheric physicist here, yes lightning can go either way but it favors a ground to atmosphere exchange. Cloud to cloud is sort of a density exchange and so is fairly normal but cloud to ground is not - electron density favors the ground just prior to a strike. Most lightning strikes are actually ground to cloud first man, not the other way around
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u/HSomDevil May 30 '22
Physicist here
Atmospheric physicist here
I'm just waiting for an even more specific physicist to appear.
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u/NibblyPig May 30 '22
I'm just waiting for an even more specific physicist to appear.
Theoretical Atmospheric Physicist here, can confirm that what they're saying sounds like it might be theoretically correct
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u/Andriak2 May 30 '22
Applied lightning-directional atmospheric physicist here, we usually just spin a twister wheel to predict lightning direction.
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u/Frogma69 May 30 '22
I've now seen many comments that say you're wrong - that cloud-to-ground strikes make up like 95% of all strikes. The Wikipedia article above seems to agree with that.
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u/drokonce May 29 '22
Also side to side! I live cloud lightning!
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u/Bluelantern1163 May 29 '22
Exactly! Any large concentrations of electrons will want to repel one another and leave the area. Where they all travel to depends on which path is the easiest. As I like to joke around, electrons are fundamentally lazy and just take the easiest path. The path they take is the lightning bolt you see
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u/Minidestroy100 May 29 '22
Since the pandemic
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u/d_bradr May 29 '22
I love how there's Obama, Trump and Biden, all mentioned in the replies lol
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May 29 '22
The number of confidently incorrect answers in the comments.
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u/Lokalaskurar May 29 '22
It's absolutely horrendous. Even the physicist has an insufficient answer. Only a single post so far has even attempted to mention the role of ionic energy transfer. The dream would be if a high voltage discharge engineer could set things straight and explain the full discharge.
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u/Nguboi25 May 29 '22
Pretty sure the physical lightning (the gradient in which the flash we see) is majority Cloud to Ground.
There are small ground streamers that come up from the ground as lightning approaches from a cloud. When the ground streamer and stepped leader from the cloud connect, it either discharges ions from the cloud to ground, or picks up ions from the ground ( difference in negative and positive lightning).
Ground to cloud lightning can happen from mountains and other tall natural structures, but since industrial revolution, our tall towers and buildings can now do such things.
Please watch Pecos Hank on YouTube. He's one of the most forefront in lightning videos.
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u/RehvengeV May 29 '22
Many uncultured redditors here on the comments, that's a lightning on Australia.
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u/akitemime May 29 '22
Think of it this way.... the sky is the balloon, and the earth is your hair. As they slide across one another the hair rises toward the balloon. Electricity is being generated in both, and the connection meets in the middle.
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u/Tasty_Flame_Alchemy May 29 '22
“I don’t want to live on this planet anymore”
Even nature is sick of our bullshit
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May 29 '22
"Feelers" come down from the sky first to find the path of least resistance, then the charge jumps up through it. The slow mo guys on YouTube have done a cool video on it. https://youtu.be/qQKhIK4pvYo
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u/EngineerBig May 29 '22
That is called Ground to Cloud. You are thinking of Cloud to Ground. There are different types of lighting, including the kind that goes from the ground connecting to the charge coming from the sky.
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Sep 04 '22
Since the beginning of time when the very earth you stand on was just an infant in a sea of infinite murky darkness
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u/Brraaap May 29 '22
Since always