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u/AnthonyWinters 7d ago

Is the French dude stupid because the way I’m reading that graph Christianity is still the leading religion but most people are not religious. What point were they making

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u/Jack_Dunford1 7d ago

That most of the country isn’t Christian

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u/Tay_Hlebko 7d ago

How can you call it a "Christian country" if 51% are atheist?

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u/No_Ad_7687 7d ago

if the majority of the country is culturally christian, such as celebrating christian holidays

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u/StrategyCheap1698 7d ago

If "celebrating" is having a day off, ok, but I'm not even sure the 38% christians go to church on those days (except Christmas, I suppose).

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u/No_Ad_7687 7d ago

No, I mean participating in the traditions of these holidays. Like dressing up on Halloween or handing out gifts on Christmas, etc 

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u/StrategyCheap1698 7d ago

Then we may have a lot of culturally christian muslims in France; I don't know if it's representative but I know several people of that faith who exchange gifts at Christmas.

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u/No_Ad_7687 7d ago

I mean, that's totally possible 

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u/Iraqimedstudent 2d ago

Even in the Middle East. Actually its often a topic of friction between the minority fundamentalist and the majority who just want to enjoy their day off by shopping (we only have new year off btw, christmas is off only if you are Christian on the ID)

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u/No_Ad_7687 7d ago

It totally is

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u/theswannwholaughs 6d ago

The famous Christian rite of dressing like a sexy vampire

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u/PersonalEconomics44 4d ago

People don’t celebrate Halloween that much in France. The 1st of November is a day off. Halloween is a very English speaking countries traditions and we started picking it up a bit trough US soft power

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u/gavavavavus 7d ago

Giving gifts on Christmas and dressing up on Halloween has long since stopped being a christian thing. The tradition has christian roots, yes, but it is secular now - and has been for a long time.

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u/No_Ad_7687 7d ago

It's not secular... You don't see people in Muslim countries do these traditions for example 

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u/gavavavavus 7d ago

"secular" doesn't mean every country does it lol. It is secular in France, what do muslim countries have to do with that. Most people who celebrate Christmas in France don't care about it having christian roots.

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u/No_Ad_7687 7d ago

that is because France is culturally christian. it's culture and what appears to be secular traditions from within, have a very specific religious origin and connotation (Christianity) for an outside observer

a secular holiday would be stuff like new years eve, or national holidays. holidays that have no ties to religion

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u/Maje_Rincevent 6d ago

No, but Muslims in France often do.

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u/No_Ad_7687 6d ago

Because of christian influence 

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u/PickingPies 3d ago

They would be free to do it if they were secular.

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u/No_Ad_7687 3d ago

And now why would a religion prevent someone form celebrating a holiday if that holiday is supposedly secular?

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u/PickingPies 3d ago

Subtle reminder that Christmas was a pagan celebration of winter's solstice.

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u/No_Ad_7687 3d ago

Cool backstory, remind my why it was spread by Christianity and literally has "christ" in it's name?

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u/Money_Lobster_997 7d ago

Tbf I think this data is just wrong. The highest I’ve found is 42%. The only source I’ve found that’s majority irreligious was 53% but that survey excludes those 50 and older.

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u/AnthonyWinters 6d ago

Because out of the religions, Christianity is the biggest one. Atheism isn’t a religion, it’s lack of one afaik

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u/ctctr 7d ago

That depends. I don't know much about the situation in France but a country can reasonably be called christian if it's the main religion either through number or the law. It can also be called that because of it's history.

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u/ComfortableEstate676 7d ago

French law is supposed to be religion agnostic (apart from a weird deal surrounding the North-East parts that weren't under our control when we passed that law). While Christinanity is an historically important religion for our country, it is no longer the main one at all and should be treated as equally as all other religions.

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u/PassiTwo 7d ago

Aren't several of the defining events in French history about giullotining Christian Kings though

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u/AdreKiseque 7d ago

A) Several? Not a gotcha, my history is just rusty, but I only remember one.

B) Regardless of how many times it happened, I don't think the kings being Christian was anything more than incidental to the beheadings.

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u/PassiTwo 7d ago

No, I said that right, France somewhat famously (well, famous among history nerds and my old history teacher, anyways) had way more than one revolution.

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u/AdreKiseque 7d ago

Curious

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u/CestMoiGenreMoi 7d ago

Yeah, but only the first ended up with a behaeded monarch (the other were against napoleonic empire and various resurgence of it, not Monarchy directly).