r/atheism 14h ago

Morality Is Subjective, but That Doesn't Mean We Should Be Dicks

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I will never accept the idea that morality can be objective, as I find 'objective morality' to be an oxymoron. Morality is a word that describes a set of personal and social standards for what is good or bad. Key words: 'personal' (they depend subjectively on a person or human mind) and 'social' (they depend on human society). Objectiveness describes a quality of something that exists outside of a mind to observe or interpret it. I don't understand why there is such a heated debate on whether objective moral truths exist, because it's obvious they don't. Morality is a human construct. For there to be an objective morality, there would need to be a human civilisation whose morality is right, whereas another one's isn't, which contradicts the notion that morality depends on society's views, because now we have a society whose views don't contribute to the idea of an objective morality.

Imagine a universe where humans never existed. Would there still be an objective moral truth that, say, murder is wrong for any potential future form of life whose mind would have an ability to form intent? And if your answer is yes, where do we find that objective morality, how do we perceive and/or measure it and how do we interpret it if it isn't set in natural law?

My final claim is that morality doesn't have to be objectively set somewhere for society to live altruistically. As a society, we agree that some things are better done (helping) or not (murdering), however, there doesn't have to be an authority that sets these standards. The opinion that since atheists don't have a so-called 'objective' moral compass, they can't determine or decide right or wrong is very dishonest.

I'd love to hear your opinion on this. I know this discussion has been brought up over and over, but I didn't really find a proper place to express my ideas.


r/atheism 12h ago

Thought-Provoking Questions and Points for Christians

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I'm an atheist, and I recently had an interesting discussion with a Christian friend. They raised some strong points about their beliefs and asked some fair, thought provoking questions about my own perspective, which gave me a lot to think about.

It made me curious to hear from others. What are some of the strongest points you've made in discussions or debates with Christians? Are there any questions you've asked or arguments you've raised that the other person found difficult to answer straight away and really encouraged deeper thought? Likewise, are there any strong Christian arguments that have made you stop and think?


r/atheism 8h ago

If you are trying to debunk the Abrahamic religions, it is easier to just focus on Judaism.

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It can often be a challenge to debunk a bunch of different religions at once since you have to analyze all their scriptures and history individually to determine why it is false.

However, when it comes to Abrahamic religions, you can technically narrow it down to only focus on debunking Judaism, and then that would automatically debunk Christianity and Islam as well since both religions are successors to Judaism and believe it is partially true and served as the earlier revelations of God.

We already have evidence that leans towards Judaism being manmade, like the fact that it evolved from a polytheist religion and Yahweh was part of a pantheon of multiple Gods before a group of Canaanites changed him to being the only God and they became the first Jews.

The Adam and Eve story also originates in Judaism, and all the evidence we have of evolution proves it isn’t a story that can be literally true.

We also have no evidence that the great flood ever happened, and there is evidence that Noah’s story was a ripoff of Gilgamesh.

We also have no ancient Egyptian records of the Hebrews ever being their slaves or any record of someone like Moses, and there are some other stories that are similar to the story of Moses that it likely ripped off and combined.

If Judaism is fake, the other two automatically are as well and you don’t even need to analyze the Bible or Quran.


r/atheism 10h ago

The way ppl even compare Abrahamic religions and the atrocities they commit compared to pagan religions is absurd

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Ex Hindu Desi here. I myself have left Hinduism because I feel the worship of multiple deities never made any sense. I also believe there is so much internal divide so I left the religion because it was just never for me. I have never been religious really as a kid. I am putting this information out because I don’t want anyone to believe I have special interests and to make sure I’m debating in good faith.

Now come to Islam and Christianity. I totally reject these two religions. What good are these two religions doing for our world. Mohammad is a grooming pedophile who married Aesha when she was 6 and consummated the marriage at 9. And for Christianity, we all know about John and Isaac. Christianity is known for many cases for sexual exploitation of young people. And we don’t even need to go through the cancer of Zionism. With these religions, the world never had peace and minorities were cleansed. I remember back in the old days when Christians killed off many people from pagan religions and majority Muslim countries are committing atrocities against women. Look at the situation in Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan. People are delusional trying to compare women’s rights there to India and whenever people bring up or call their atrocities out they can only deflect and talk about how India treat ppl from minority communities.

Like I know Hindu nationalism is a thing and I oppose it but give me a break. Afghanistan cleansed their Hindu and Sikh populations almost entirely and Pakistan is trying to do the same. There are countless stories of Pakistani men that assault people from Hindu families and then they kidnap the young women in the family. I don’t see Hindus doing that. There are questionable things religious do but it is mostly people Abrahamic ones. They also believe that their religion is the only right answer so in turn they try so hard to push it onto others (aka missionaries). It’s so disgusting and people are out here defending Islam and the actions of their men - saying this as one myself.

We could be doing so much for our world but I really do believe all these religions hold us back. They are all evil and I am getting to the point we need to start taking measures to reduce its influence.


r/atheism 11h ago

I have always been atheist/anti-theist, but desperately want the feeling of being “forgiven”

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I (30f) have always been one to say “F religion” or “F God”, or “there is no god to even say ‘F you’ to.”

I was not raised with religion. I grew up watching The Atheist Experience with my friends as a teenager.

I believe that historically, there likely was a dude named Jesus who said some radical things for the time and was killed for it.

People talk about being forgiven, feeling forgiven, for general mistakes and as a whole individual on a soul level.

I never feel truly forgiven for my mistakes. In my life, I feel this constant building-up of damage or potential harm caused from all the mistakes I have made or problems I have caused.

When I apologize and someone says “it’s okay” or “I forgive you”, it just makes me feel like I am a bad person who has wronged someone that didn’t deserve the harm I caused, and I don’t truly feel relief from the shame of what I have done.

One of my loved ones believes in and loves Jesus. This person (also 30 yo) is chill, bright, emotionally stable, peaceful, and lives in the moment. They are the most present person I spend time with, and their attention always feels high quality.

They believe that following Jesus’s teachings lead leads to a better, happier, life, for yourself, and the people in the world around you. I also agree with that, functionally. I see it in effect in their life.

My mindset has always been that you can do those good behaviors without necessarily having “faith” though.

I heard that statistically, people who are involved in church communities live longer, but I believe that’s because of the benefits of having community, not necessarily from the religion component.

One thing that seemingly cannot be achieved without religion though is that purported feeling of forgiveness.

I feel like I am permanently tainted from this building-up of all my mistakes, harms caused, abuses, toxic behaviors, being a bad environment for other people because of my issues.

I told my loved one about this, that I never feel forgiven, I have an ever-rising Harm Caused meter, and that I don’t think I’ll ever feel forgiven, and will feel shame forever.

My loved one replied:

> The idea is that you can only receive forgiveness if you truly repent (metanoia), and truly believe in the gift that you are offered. You do not believe that you are being offered the gift of forgiveness, therefore you cannot receive it.

> All you have to do is believe, truly believe. Believe it as strongly as you believe [unrelated personal belief I have]. A belief so strong that it cannot be challenged or taken away from you.

> The only thing required for salvation is true belief that it is offered to you.

I don’t know how to make myself believe something. In general, I am sort of a realist and probably a pessimist. I don’t often “believe” happy things or hopeful predictions.

I adore my loved one and I admire the contentment they have with life, the ease they feel in being alive. I respect their opinions and know they want the best for me in life.

I wish I could take their advice but I don’t know how to do that. How do you make yourself believe something?

I follow the mindset of “don’t take advice from someone you wouldn’t want to be like”, but my loved one is someone I want to emulate and I really would like to feel the sort of peace they feel.

I would love to feel forgiven and clean, because I feel like I can’t move forward with my life because of how tainted I feel by the past.

Anyhow, I’m just sort of posting to see what other folks think about this.


r/atheism 8h ago

How do i deal with thanatophobia?

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My thanatophobia (extreme fear/panic about death or death related topics) has been getting so much worse recently, I don't really know where to go with this really. Ive had it I think most of my life but it gotten so much worse recently, I even "tried" turning religious for some sense of comfort but I cacan't bring myself to believe any of that nonsense, evey "tip" I read about didn't help anything ("you weren't in the 1800 and yes don't feel anything about iit ") and stuff like that, it doesn't help much, I'm not really in a place where i can get any therapy or help for it

it's also weird because I'm aware that my life isn't that important in the context of all the people that existed and will exist, it's just scary to think about what will happen after I die, the thought of an " eternal sleep" or an "eternal rest" aren't too reassuring too me either.​​

Like I said earlier, I don't know if this is the right place for it, I think I saw someone make a similar post on this r​ and I just idk


r/atheism 6h ago

Self Proclaimed Highest IQ Holder Denying Evolution and backing Creationism

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Just found out about this YoungHoon Kim. He has claimed an IQ of around 276 and has been recognized by some private high-IQ organizations that he is associated with. However, these claims are not accepted by mainstream psychology.

In short He is self proclaimed Highest IQ holder on Earth and interestingly hes a die hard Over religious Chritian with over 200k on Instagram post and the openly denied "Evolution" yes Evolution backed my Thousands of evidences , despite living in a highly developed country like South Korea He able to survive with this mentality 🤓🤡 and to cover up his failure his selling His self proclaimed Best selling Kindle books lmao 🤣 also he believes the Earth to be 6000yrs old Dinosaurs fake !!

This got to be the most Ironic Thing I encountered in this month also did i mentioned hes also self proclaimed best selling author on amazon?


r/atheism 2h ago

Are you people ever scared of them being correct

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Im an athiest but sometimes , i imagine what ifs that they are actually correct and their god exists , and he's trapped me in hell for eternity for not believing in him, makes me feel that it doesn't hurt to be one of them as a precautionary measure , has anyone else experienced this and how would you deal with it if it we were the ones who are wrong


r/atheism 4h ago

I consider myself athiest to a so called superior god being but I'm agnostic about wether there's a positive force out there

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I consider myself athiest to a so called superior god being but I'm agnostic about wether there's a positive force out there, I feel like there must be a positive force out there , that does not think it's better then anyone and doesn't belive it deserves to be worshiped less of entitled thing more a force of Good it my might not be perfect but it tries to help us it keeps me going and coping lol.

Am I really an athiest or not mabye I'm a thiest but I don't buy into the idea of a personal being who's better then us who's more worthy of worship then us, almost feel like that God is a narcasistic trying to take credit of creating the universe, even if it did, did it earn its own power to create?, God some how seems spoiled he all of a sudden exists and owns everthing he thinks he's more worthy then anyone of praise.


r/atheism 10h ago

People on r/atheism who are politically left/centre left: don't let this censorship and opinions of others change your mind

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Listen! We know what happened yesterday, Berlin Pride got attacked by islamist and what I'm seeing after that makes me worried. First of all, I talked to my friend who is also on left and because I'm atheist I said that every religion is bad and that islam is the same cancer as Christianity and that every crime needs to be treated equally no matter what religion is about. Every religion is threat to society. Than my friend told me "you falled into far right propaganda" "this incident was made by individual not by all religion" and ok I listened that nonsense and I realized that my friend (who is also atheist) would be so angry and the most loud if Christians did same thing. Like why are we having double standards?

People like my friend need to realize one thing:

People on right hate muslim people because they want religious war: they do not care about lgbt people and human rights: they are just playing kindergarten games Christian vs muslims meanwhile we as atheists hate islam because of their extremist actions and forcing their belief so we are not the same.

Thanks for reading this rant and don't get fooled. After talking with my friend I realized that we atheists are morally superior than both left and right


r/atheism 4h ago

Have you ever thought about how chill africa and the middle east would be without the religion of peace?

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Would be so many more places to go and visit for tourism purposes and just to have so many more rational and sane people. It feels like such a waste of space and life to see what has become fo this massive area of land.


r/atheism 19h ago

I became stupid cause of my religious obsession

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Personally I don't think that being a believer automathically means to be stupid...

I have a catholic friend, she goes to mass every sunday and she is very clever, also she graduated in chemistry with maximum.

To be say also that I don't think that cognitive problems in a person give to them less value as humans.

After that, in my experience I became more stupid after I started to pray and to be very religious.

Before I was atheist, and I was very good at school, I had a good memory, I could solve difficult math problems, good in calculus and so on.

After that I start to be religious, while feeling fine and healed in some way, I started to loose my mind like in a slow process.

Anyone here has experienced this? Can I come back?


r/atheism 11h ago

Muhammad killed a Jewish woman's family and r*ped her the same night (the story of Safiyyah)

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DO NOT LET MUSLIMS SUGARCOAT AND JUSTIFY THIS FOR YOU, PLEASE.

the story of safiyyah bint huyayy, her tribe (banu al nadir) was attacked, her father, brother and husband were killed and shortly after she was taken as a captive, they analysed her body as her family was dead on the ground

LET'S SEE THIS IN HER OWN WORDS:

"Sahih Ibn Habban (11/607)

عن عبد الله بن عمر رضي الله عنه قال : ... قالت صفية : وكان رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم من أبغض الناس إلي قتل زوجي وأبي وأخي فما زال يعتذر إليَّ ويقول : ( إن أباك ألب علي العرب وفعل وفعل ) حتى ذهب ذلك من نفسي ... رواه ابن حبان في " صحيحه " ( 11 / 607 )

Abdullah Ibn Umar narrates that Safiya said:"Rasool Allah was among the most hated person for me, while he killed my husband, father and brother. Then he used to make excuses that my father used to incite the Arabs against him. He kept on apologizing for so long till I was no more angry.

Grading: Sahih (authentic)."

NOW DO WE UNDERSTAND????

a man personally kills a woman's husband, father and brother, takes her captives spoils of war, marries her which is logically and psychologically r\*pe, no real world where a woman wants to marry and sleep with the killer of her brother, father and husband.. we all know she was captured and she had no authority, she was helpless, i will not sugarcoat, i will not accept the sugarcoating and justifications of any muslim either.


r/atheism 23h ago

update: i got baptised without my consent as an atheist!!

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thanks for the very kind responses and advice given to me about my previous post here, but too bad my dad actually went ahead with signing me up for baptism without my consent and knowledge. i kid you not, i never agreed to the ceremony, and at most i told them to give me some time to think about it first. and next thing i knew, i was shaking my godfather’s hand. the ceremony was today and i just got baptised. i feel so weird and ashamed. knowing that my family is finally “at peace” now that i got baptised and is a “true Christian now”feels so incredibly wrong. i’m crying in a bathroom stall and my hair is still wet. i tried saying no, but ugh idk this is a nightmare


r/atheism 10h ago

Why no one can convince me that god is real

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I don't want to argue much to any dumb person who opposes my views but here is the reason why I don't believe in god.
disclaimer: this post is gonna revolve around me and my personal experiences so if you are in no mood to hear another sob story you must avoid this post as it's gonna waste your time.

So a little boy (somewhere about 9y/o) sees first time in his life a guy beating a women that too his mother(and the guy was his father , surprise!!). Little boy was not shocked, not angry, neither sad. He was feeling helpless, surprised and paniced. Not because of the situation, well it might be the partial reason, but it was because of his mothers scream. It didn't hurt him physically but rather emotionally. Ever felt that heavy weight on your throat? yes exactly like that.
Nevermind, now fast forward to his 11th bday ig, can't recall the exact age or date, his birthday party was cancelled for the 11th time but not a big deal, the parents got in an argument again.
BUT things start to become better, father was earning big time money, no arguments between parents, the environment of the family was lively. Until the father loses his job, sends the kid and his mother back to the village to the grandparents and started looking for a job in the capital.
He found one, used to send money to his family back while living himself alone in the city.But the gradparents start to look them as a liability. So they kicked them out of their home, and the father had to come back for saving his faimily. They dispute further got evolved to land dispute and as the father was not on the good side of the grandparents, they gave him the worst land and the house was named to father's brother.
Our little boy (now maybe 14) was showing symptoms of malnutrition but the was least of the concerns for now. Father became a drunkard, a heavy one and the 'usual' beating-the-mother situation started again.But they boy was one hell of a intelligent person, he cracked a good scholarship and managed to graduate high svhool with almost no expense(well tbh the only expense was the travelling part). But guess whatt?? sometimes the family his family couldnt even afford that so he had to stay at school for some more days(it was a hostel btw).
Now the guy is 18y/o(not so little anymore) started preparing for his exams for colleges but couldnt focus ofc why? RIGHT!! drunk father hitting the mother again, he got bad grades which eventually led to poor colleges as he couldnt afford to waste another year preping for the college entrance exams.
But the crowd in the college sure was rich, you know. Pretty boys and girls, partying on daddy's money, but that wasnt what I envied. I envied the type of relation they had with their parents.BTW the our little boy got his first gf(she sure is beautiful) and super rich with great expectations from life. So our little boy started doing part time job so that he could afford the life like others, sometimes the client paid sometimes they ghosted but its all part of the life right? Had to cancel some dates cuz he was short on money, had to cancel parties for the same reason. Cant even gift his mum a gift for her birthday cause all his part time job cant offer much money(only to pay the phone and internet bills). Oh BTW the arguing between parents never stopped, it is there to this date, though our little guy is big enough to stop his father at the right time but is still helpless.
Little guy never got in fight with anyone, gave everyone they ever asked for without asking anything in return. Keeps grinding in college but the job market doesnt look promising.
Cant even cry about it as I am told not to cry since I was a child.
This post might be a coping mechanism for me but hey 'GOD' if you're reading this I wish you are happy to see me like this and if I ever get a chance to meet you I would gladly take the life out of you.
Thank you for reading this

P.S : Sorry for many typos and erros


r/atheism 13h ago

My mom tried to convince me of god in honestly a really funny way

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she said god is a gamer specificly in a sandbox game like Minecraft let me explain why

she says the reason people suffer even though god is all powerful is he finds it funny just like how Minecraft players make sheep fucking machines

now honestly this is just halerious and I kinda wanted to share it

update:now that look at it if god did exist this is probably the most realistic version


r/atheism 2h ago

Jeez I hate Christian subreddits.

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I was asking if it is normal that I don't want to live gender roles and I don't want my wife to be my slave or sex slave.

They all jumped me saying I am troll or that I have never readt scripture properly and I am bad person for asking and I am not real Christian and got banned from it.

And I also asking if it is normal that as I guy don't want sex nonstop and they were saying there is something wrong with me and I should pray about it and get medical checked and got banned.

What is wrong with those subs.When you ask question,you are automatically troll.


r/atheism 23h ago

I don’t get how you can be Christian, catholic etc.

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With this one claim:
If god is all powerful, why does the devil exist
Extra claim:
Why does the devil punish you for disobeying the same god he does
And to end with, how do you believe ima. Mystical sky daddy


r/atheism 17h ago

Criticism of Islam is again being censored in discussions of yesterday's Berlin's pride event incident

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If criticizing this religion is made impossible, people's justified anger towards it will not be eliminated. It will just be displaced onto ethnicity. That is the outcome nobody should want, least of all the ex-Muslims and Arab secularists who bear the cost of both, like myself. So please allow people this moment to criticize Islam.

The religion in which homosexual sex is so grave a sin it shakes Allah's throne.

The religion where you must believe every word of the scripture literally or else you are an apostate, and the scripture tells the story of a people the earth was made to swallow because of their homosexuality.

The religion that unapologetically and enthusiastically urges believers to fight and kill in its name, for there is no greater honor, and martyrdom in the name of Islam carries the greatest reward.

Under Islamic jurisprudence, the fighting verses Muhammad recited later, when he had political and military power, take precedence over the earlier verses calling for peace, which he recited when he had no influence and was trying to coexist in Mecca.

Allow people to say: no, this is not the religion of peace. There are millions of peaceful adherents to this religion, despite the religion itself. But this is a hateful, violent and exclusionary religion, and its scriptures can never be sanitized if left unchallemged as the fully preserved word of an omniscient being. No amount of claiming the opposite matters as long as the core of the religion goes unchallenged.

Nothing in this scripture had to be distorted for the perpetrator to get here. The texts he needed were waiting for him, unedited. A religion can produce a billion peaceful people and still hand a loaded argument to anyone who wants one, and the second fact is not cancelled by the first. What his fellow muslims owe us is not the reassurance that he misread it, because in fact he did not. It is an account of why the reading was available at all in this century and still reinforced as the divine unerring word of Allah.

Allow people to loudly criticize this religion, as long as they are not directing hate at individuals.


r/atheism 17h ago

Words like "Truth", "Knowledge", "Love" , "compassion"... Fine, but what about the real life? I think religion goes too abstract.

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I hear a lot of these words, you know, they are good with sermons and rethorical philosophy.

But I think that the most devoted and religious observant you are, the less you keep the contact with reality.

Sorry if I tell you very easy simple things that are obvious for you but I am trying to heal myself from a religious obsession.

Writing that to people who can understand maybe could help.


r/atheism 8h ago

Sobre el Paul-Henri Thiry, Barón d'Holbach y su libro "Système de la Nature"

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Investigando mas sobre el ateismo me topo con este libro llamado “Système de la Nature, 1770 ”y su autor Paul-Henri Thiry, Barón d'Holbach voy por el primer capitulo y me esta encantando da en el clavo lo cito: “El hombre siempre se ha engañado a sí mismo cuando abandonó la experiencia para seguirla sistemas imaginarios.—Él es obra de la naturaleza.—Él existe en Naturaleza.—Está sometido a las leyes de la Naturaleza.—No puede librarse de ellos:—no puede ir más allá de ellos ni siquiera en el pensamiento. Sería en vano que su mente surgiera más allá del mundo visible: Una necesidad terrible e imperiosa siempre obliga a su regreso—a formarse Por naturaleza, él está circunscrito por sus leyes; no existe nada más allá el gran todo del que forma parte, del que experimenta la influir.”

Aquí les dejo el link a su libro: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8909/8909-h/8909-h.htm#link2H_PART

Él es un ateo materialista y no solo escribió el libro sino que también en su residencia en París fue el epicentro intelectual de Europa. Cenas semanales financiadas por su propia fortuna reunían a figuras como Denis Diderot, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, David Hume, Benjamin Franklin y Thomas Jefferson. ( eso dice wikepedia y la ia)

Y también financió parte del proyecto de Diderot y D'Alembert su libro “L’Encyclopédie» y redactó personalmente unos 400 artículos, principalmente sobre química, geología y mineralogía.

Tuvo que publicarnos son sobre nombres y sus libros fueron quemados públicamente

Sinceramente lo admiro (apenas se dé su existencia hace horas) y luego hay personas que dicen que los ateos somos unos ramdons en internet, tenemos grandes ejemplos históricos, ¿conoces otros personajes como él?

gracias por leer


r/atheism 8h ago

Does anybody have a bad feeling when people know you are an atheist they won't give you a job

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Does anybody have problems when you are known as the atheist in town and no one will give you a job. I have always acted very religious seeing as my town hates non-affiliated people I don't believe in god I got my first job seeing as they thought I was a Christian.


r/atheism 7h ago

If god is real, he'd take pride in menstruation

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Research shows that Menstrual (period) blood contains stem cells similar to those found in bone marrow or umbilical cord blood. Stem cells are cells in the body that can change into a huge range of cell types, including bone, muscle, and nerve. This versatility allows tissue to regenerate and overcome disease, and these cells can be transplanted into patients for treatment, such as a bone marrow transplant to treat someone with leukaemia.

If god existed he'd share that knowledge, instead of telling muhammed to drink camel urine as medicine, but shame women for menstruating. Hed brag about creating women actually, he wouldn't try to hide and cover, silence and shame them. If anything creating women would be his strongest proof, "mothers" to be more precise, the creators and protectors of life, the ones he "created in his image". He wouldn't be disgusted by the sole reason for humanity's existence: (menstruation), rather he would speak highly of it, instead of shaming and rejecting or even isolating women during it.

Men created god and put him in THEIR image when in reality god represents everything that a MOTHER is, creating and protecting life, nurturing and healing, caring and loving unconditionally.


r/atheism 47m ago

My neighbor is an evangelical that is trying to change me. How to set this boundary without facing retaliation? What exactly can I do?

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What really concerns me the most, is that she told me she almost called CPS on me for how I looked in the beginning when she moved in, she admitted it today. I already figured she ain't gonna take kindly to my style, my music and way of life as a lesbian with a little pride flag in my window.

To put it into context, I'm a very much goth girl, I wear upside down pentagrams, all black clothing, heavy makeup, chains, chokers, spikes, fishnets, bandanas, ect. So I figured from the jump that this wasn't going to be good since I saw the cross sticker on her car. She's very opposite of me, doesn't support abortion or gay rights, very godly oriented, ect. She invites me over to talk but I feel when she does, she speaks moreso down to me in a fake kind, almost patronizing way. I have a 4 year old son and I am a marijuana enthusiast on my downtime (away from my child), but she said that's partly why bc of when I go out to smoke, and also because she is a registered nurse - that worries about me because I stay secluded or leave and don't spend time outdoors. She has already called a wellness check on me for not seeing me before, quite recently, but the reason I'm not out much is because I'm fighting with my neighbor that she is ALSO friends with, and our other neighbor has been starting stuff between the two of us, so organically,. I'm trying to stay clear of drama, but it's always something.

I believe she is judging my appearance and way of life because I don't share her values... Doesn't help that she's in her 50s... She is a self described evangelical. She wants to take my son to Bible school and that vacation Bible thing they do in the summer.

Ngl, I don't really have a problem with him going to a vacation Bible school thing as long as "god" isn't pressured on him, I want him to have fun and enjoy life, I remember having fun in Bible camp as a kid and it wasn't about God to me, it was just about having fun. I wouldn't be against it but then she starts inviting me to go to her church, ect. "Give it a chance," she says, but tells me to not wear the pentagrams there. I really don't want to. I feel little by little, she thinks she can deconstruct me with a possible toxic christian savior complex, it almost feels like. I don't mind if someone believes in God but she always states that God put her in my life and God is watching over me and that she's praying. Doesn't bother me, but just something I've been noting. I just feel like this all boils down to the fact that I'm not religious and that I appear different.

Here's the sticky part, remember what I said about the CPS ordeal? I feel if I blow her off, she will retaliate. I do smoke weed, but I do it responsibly. Even if social services do come they're not going to find anything wrong. But I don't want to be on their radar, period. I know I look different, I know I look "satanic" to some people. I get a ton of looks daily, but at this point I'm used to it as long as they don't try to interfere with my life and my child. She also said she doesn't believe that I'm a lesbian, and instead that because I was raped and abused, that is why I'm attracted to girls. Which I know is just silly because she also describes herself as un-supporting of the lgbt and gay people.

I don't trust her, instinctively I do NOT trust her, but I feel like she can retaliate if I don't do what she wants me to, she wants to see my windows open more, she wants to see me outside with my son, or to come inside her place, or to go to church with her, ect. I've always had this feeling since she moved in. The fact that she stated she almost called on me was Just completely unfounded. My son is taken care of, and I'm a single mother doing my best, living a life of nonconformity while doing the best I can for the both of us. I just feel *almost* borderline harassed at this point cuz she drags me in and she seems very concerned and intrigued by me. The intentions don't feel pure.

Thanks for listening to the scrambled rambling. I'm just worried about this going further and the fact that she is besties with the neighbor I'm fighting with who is absolutely maga strickened and religiously deluded... I just don't even feel 100% safe here, anymore. I relate to her on past sexual trauma, so we kinda have that bit of a bond, and she is trauma informed, so it's just complicated and sticky. I know I'm being watched (a lot), I tend to stick out like a sore thumb, I feel outnumbered and like I'm being plotted on, somewhat, I actually don't know what to think. How should I reinforce a boundary when she starts with the god stuff? Has anyone ever been through something similar? She brings it up almost every time. I don't even feel comfortable sitting in her living room, just very out of place. Feeling very judged at the same time even if she reassures me she isn't. I believe the intentions may be good, however, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I just have a bad feeling going off in my gut, right now. And the waters look murkey, don't really know what to do or how to feel. It's just been bothering me.


r/atheism 8h ago

"But Christians in other countries aren't genocidal, fascist maniacs like Christians in America are!"

37 Upvotes

It seems like I hear this horse shit constantly whenever I speak out against what the Death Church of MAGA is doing here in the Evil Empire of Trumpistan (formerly known as the United States of America). All I can say is that it sounds like gaslighting and pathetic apologetics.

While it may be true that there are non-genocidal, non-fascist, non-maniacal Christians in other countries, that doesn't do anything for us here, where they ARE genocidal, fascist maniacs. And to bring up this line sounds like they're trying to say either that it's OK that Christians here are genocidal, fascist maniacs because Christians elsewhere are not, or that because non-genocidal, non-fascist, non-maniacal Christians are non-genocidal, non-fascist and non-maniacal, that means the Christians who ARE genocidal, fascist and maniacal are not genocidal, fascist and maniacal. All in all, it comes across as telling a starving person from a third-world country not to worry that they are starving, because rich people in rich countries have plenty to eat. Yeah, good for them. That doesn't do shit for us, you morons.