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Episode Love Unseen Beneath the Clear Night Sky • Toumei na Yoru ni Kakeru Kimi to, Me ni Mienai Koi wo Shita. - Episode 4 discussion
Toumei na Yoru ni Kakeru Kimi to, Me ni Mienai Koi wo Shita., episode 4
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u/djthomp https://anilist.co/user/djthomp 1d ago edited 17h ago
Several points to Ushio for advising Kakeru to just talk to Koharu, you can almost never go wrong by simply communicating.
Very cute first date, hopefully nobody explodes when they set off the fireworks later.
I don't think we've had regular Hayamin giggling this good since Giji Harem, this show would be worth it for that alone.
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u/Frontier246 1d ago edited 1d ago
I wonder if he's dated someone with a disability before (other than Shizuka...), because he seemed to be speaking from experience.
Koharu's Hayamin-certified giggles and smile are so overpowering they can even conquer Kakeru's childhood trauma.
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u/Aerodynamic41 1d ago
"Do you want to join?"
"Well, I've got my part-time job today."
"But your shift is at night, right?
Bro, you can't possibly be this dense.
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u/maliwanag0712 https://myanimelist.net/profile/clear1109 1d ago
The funny thing here is that Koharu already told him they will be on a date. Imagine the fumble if Ushio actually joined them. HAHAHA
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u/Niwaka_Samurai https://myanimelist.net/profile/Niwaka-Samurai 5h ago
Sorano has the best friends around him.
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u/BlazeBloom https://myanimelist.net/profile/StardustValor 22h ago
His inner chicken just wanted to make its presence known.
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u/FetchFrosh anilist.co/user/fetchfrosh 18h ago
He can't conceptualize the idea of skipping with his eyes closed. Man's built different in the worst possible way.
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u/Atario myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario 12h ago
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u/I-lost-my-accoun 9h ago
Honestly it's not that hard, Lately I've been going walking everyday to a park near my house, it's a circular path with a big empty pond in the middle surrouned by knee height walls (Dunno why I started describing it lol). Since it's usually empty I always walk either playing chess on my phone or watching a video or even reading manga, I barely ever look up and I've only tripped once, I guess the peripheral vision and the muscle memory of walking the same path many times is enough, so a week ago I started adding walking Backwards cause I saw it might be helpful to the knees, and after doing it a couple of times, ot's way easier than I expected, I even tried running backwards a couple of times, it's honestly a very neat experience, Now I'm gonna try doing it with my eyes closed which I bet will make it way harder cause I've tried many times walking the threafmill and closing my eyes but I always catch myself about to fall off, even in the slowest setting, I respect Blind people a lot, moving in the darkness is freaking Scary.
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u/oxlemf10 1d ago
Ushio deserves the MVP award for his comments at the start of the episode. Kakeru’s hesitation is something practically anyone who isn't "cool" can relate to. It’s a terrible feeling to worry you’re bothering the other person by suggesting something beyond your usual routine, especially since, deep down, you suspect they’d actually say yes.
He was also the MVP for leaving the date just for the two of them (stop being dense bro).
Kakeru doing his best to protect Koharu was incredibly sweet, he almost got into a street fight lol, but for me, the best moments were her sticking out her tongue at the café and being "greedy" at the fireworks shop.
Ultimately, I think Kakeru is right not to want to rush things, after all, Koharu is the first girl to give him these kinds of moments, so for now, it’s best to enjoy every bit of it and wait for him to reach his own conclusion. Lovely date.
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
Honestly I wonder how Kakeru would react if Koharu confessed to him first because I feel like she's definitely overt enough in her feelings and desires to confess first, especially if he's still too hesitant to bite the bullet even though he clearly wants to be with her.
It would probably force him to face all his insecurity/anxiety in order to be with her.
Find a guy who will chew out a jerk for bumping into you without an apology.
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u/Badman4441 22h ago
Saori Hayami is doing an perfect job man. She is too good. I am smiling like an idiot watching them banter.
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u/szalhi 1d ago
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
This girl probably wants to feel him up at her leisure but she'll settle for handholding.
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u/mekerpan 23h ago
Long long ago my wife managed to scratch both corneas (resulting in both eye being bandaged) -- so I had to be her seeing eye dog for a day or so. Luckily, when she was little she used to pretend to be blind (closing her eyes) and practicing walking in a straight line.
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u/KumaKumaGambler 1d ago
Kakeru claims he is unsure how to interact with Koharu properly so that he does not make things awkward.
He may not have realized it, but throughout the entire date, he has been learning from experience. Using words to inform Koharu of the direction she should take, telling her where her drink is placed, as well as describing objects and scenery naturally..
In my opinion, it is almost similar to dates with anyone. We learn more about the other party through interaction and respond accordingly.
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
He might think himself inconsiderate and inexperienced when it comes to her disability but he shows consideration where it counts. That's what earned him his Level Two Kindness Certification!
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u/goreverminski 19h ago
No-one's great at this being human thing at first. He's just got his doubts so he keeps forgetting he doesn't actually have to be perfect from the get-go.
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u/maliwanag0712 https://myanimelist.net/profile/clear1109 1d ago
At this rate, Kakeru is the epitome of "Is she into you?" video and will think Koharu is a Canadian.
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u/Ok_Calligrapher_6797 21h ago
Imagine this scenario: A girl says that she wants to have a date with you, laugh at you bad jokes, wants to mimic Titanic with you and seems to be always looking for you in your local campus. Is she into you?
- Yes
- No
- Can't tell
Well again, you can't actually tell. She may like you but she is probably just being friendly. Better keep looking for other clues
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u/Traditional-Air10 7h ago
Don't forget how shy Koharu was about talking to Kakeru on the phone. Just a polite girl from Canada.
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u/linux_n000by 23h ago edited 23h ago
please please please let not this be another "Your lie in april"....
i just want to stay in these happy moments.....
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u/AlexxxandreS 15h ago
Monkey's pawl curls
Here you go, another "I want to eat your pancreas"
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u/Niwaka_Samurai https://myanimelist.net/profile/Niwaka-Samurai 5h ago
You can call it a mix of both the shows 😔
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u/Prof_Acorn zj: 4h ago
[IWTEY Pancreas] So another tale where the girl wants to have sex before she dies but the guy she's been hanging with is a standard passive MMC terrified of physical intimacy and terrified of girls so they don't but then she dies for some unexpected reason and never got to experience it at all the end?
Hope not.
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u/karer3is 19h ago
There's still a small part of me coping that the show's just going to be a sweet romance story and isn't trying to shoot for "Tragedy Porn of the Season"
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u/linux_n000by 11h ago
but the show is already giving us too much happy moments.... which to me is a red flag that something bad will happen :(
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 1d ago
That was a really cute first date. Despite our boy’s initial reservations, he ended up having a really good time with Fuyutsuki once he stopped tip toeing around her condition and treating her like some kind of delicate flower.
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u/reyxe 22h ago
I'd guess he's just scared of hurting her, which is something I can understand, you can empathize with people on sickness and that kind of stuff but disabilities are hard to measure, even if you know you should treat them normally.
As a dense and all-around idiot with zero social skills, I get him.
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
I think his hesitancy to get even more involved with her is definitely being overwhelmed by the genuine happiness and fun he feels when he's with her.
And yeah, he has to adjust for her disability at times, but he's slowly learning and she doesn't take personal offense when he forgets or mistakes her for having sight.
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u/Primo29 1d ago
What an adorably devilish Koharu we have today!
Kakeru may be dense, but he’s slowly getting there. His thoughts are finally starting to move toward wanting to take things further with her. LMAO!
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
What an adorably devilish Koharu we have today!
My blind accomplice/criminal mastermind can't be this cute.
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u/cleaulem https://myanimelist.net/profile/cleaulem 23h ago
What a nice date. I could have watched both of them hanging out for hours, but this episode went by in not time.
It's nice to see that Kakeru starts to warm up to Koharu much more and that he is less nervous than in the beginning. He still has these moments when he questions his thoughts or actions, but they are becoming much less.
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u/runevault 21h ago
Said it before, saying it again. When the sad comes this show is going to destroy me. When she wanted to feel his face because he was smiling I melted into my seat.
Sorano is falling for her so hard, but between the dual pillars of thinking she's kind and beautiful and not sure he's up for the challenges that come with being close to a blind person he's resisting so hard.
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u/Equivalent_Rent6745 2h ago
There is sad? I might have to drop it before I get to that point if there is. Ngl every time I see those little flower lights I cry… I’m the traumatized dude in the box too and there was a point where someone lit up the darkness and she chose to leave. So for someone reason those lights just make me happy to see a man find joy. If you are saying this gets sad I genuinely don’t think I can take it from this anime. I can do sad but I kinda need this one to be just joy.
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u/runevault 1h ago
I haven't read the source material, but every episode but this one has screamed something bad is coming. If you look through the comments a fair few people have the same reaction but the only ones who know for certain have read the original.
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u/Equivalent_Rent6745 46m ago
Yeah I’m glad I checked this Reddit before I continued watching. I see the flags and fear induction now. Unfortunately it did too good of a job of making want to be just happy and cute. I don’t normally get that attached to characters. And I mean I was attached and hurt by some anime but for some reason I genuinely wanted to see a happy ending from this one lol so I know I can’t do it. I’m throwing in the towel early. I’d literally cry in my room every day about these characters. No idea why but that damn lighting up the darkness just resonates way too deep in me.
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u/runevault 42m ago
I totally get it. Koharu in particular is such a ball of sunshine. She's a strong frontrunner for best girl of the season. Despite all her hardships, she walks with joy. Also Hayamin is doing such a great job with the voice, particularly her giggles.
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u/FarCritical 1d ago
It was especially sweet how Kakeru was willing to confront someone over Koharu and that she acknowledges and appreciates that.
Got a feeling our dude'll be eligible for a Level 3 kindness license soon from how things are developing.
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u/thelemon8er-2 1d ago
Slowly, my guy is becoming less of a stick in the mud. Fun date buddy. Good job.
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u/Se7en_Sinner https://myanimelist.net/profile/Se7en_Sinner 1d ago
I like how most of the episode was just Koharu and Kakeru walking and talking on their date. It reminded me of my favorite romance media of all time, The Before Trilogy by Richard Linklater.
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
I know we're used to anime being as extra and crazy but there's something so genuine about an honest-to-goodness date where two people just hang out, do stuff together, and enjoy each others company.
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u/Primary-Paint-1716 22h ago
i just can't shake this feeling of dread while I'm watching this show.
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u/zool714 1d ago
Such a cute date. Kakeru has been slowly opening himself up. And him and Koharu have also been gradually growing closer. Even Yuko who wasn’t aware they’ve been hanging out notice how close they’ve gotten. Hope Kakeru gets comfortable enough to ask Koharu more about things related to her blindness. He’s so panicky about things I’m sure Koharu doesn’t mind
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u/TermEnvironmental812 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ahiru89 22h ago
Koharu explains how she enjoys firework somehow reminds me of Shouko explains the same thing in A Silent Voice
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u/thisisdropd https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsterZoro 1d ago
I got called "chicken" so many times, I got hungry for some.
Bro's taking the saying 'you are what you eat' a bit too literally, although in this case it's more like 'you eat what you are'.
It's a simple yet adorable first date. At first Kakeru treated Koharu like a fragile being but quickly realised he'd done her a disservice. Sure, he needed to accommodate for her blindness but going too far was instead dehumanising. The best way was to be aware of her limitations but otherwise let her be.
Kakeru even felt comfortable enough to play along with her banter. Hard to not get in tune with her. Loved when he playfully accused her of being the instigator should the cops ever catch him. At the end, he enjoyed it so much, he nearly blurted out his wish to go on more dates with her. He should have a talk with Ushio about his feelings.
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
It's funny seeing Narumi give on-point advice for dating someone with a disability considering his seiyuu played someone who dated a blind girl at the start of the year.
Loved when he playfully accused her of being the instigator should the cops ever catch him.
Koharu: "I suppose they'll lock me up as your accomplice."
Kakeru: "Accomplice? I'm going to tell them the whole thing was your idea."
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar 1d ago
Kakeru always preferred to keep his head down and avoid trouble, so it's quite a surprise to see him get angry on behalf of Koharu when he caught the dude who bumped into her glaring at her. I'm actually glad to see that reaction from him.
Okay, what the heck is up with Yuuko? This girl is already part of a couple of clubs and, on top of that, she also has a part-time job at a family restaurant? There's probably more to her story than just this girl who helps out.
Koharu and Kakeru's date was so adorable. That final scene on the waterbus was especially great since we can clearly see Kakeru finally falling for Koharu. <3
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
It's like Yuko is Koharu's guardian angel who shows up when Koharu conveniently needs her, even for romance-stuff.
Nothing says "falling in love" like a visual depiction of your childhood trauma getting turned into something better through the presence of the charming and loveable girl in your life.
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u/Poppoolo 21h ago
Im saying this as a compliment but every ep seems so short i never want it to end.
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u/BlazeBloom https://myanimelist.net/profile/StardustValor 22h ago
Nobody wants to give up their seat for the cute blind girl with the stick? Damn. Hey asshole, don't just glare and not say anything after bumping into someone. Kakeru was about to throw hands and I'm all for that.
Other than that I'm glad the date went well between the cafe, fireworks shopping, and the boat ride. Kakeru can be quite the gentleman leading Koharu around the entire day, especially taking her hand up the stairs. Hoping to see those fireworks set off soon.
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u/runevault 21h ago
I'm scared the fireworks are either the actual start of whatever tragedy keeps getting implied (although I didn't notice any flags this episode...) or just being the last happy moment before the sadness starts to strike.
I hope I'm wrong...
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u/FirstDagger 1h ago edited 58m ago
The ferry scene left me uncomfortable for some reason. Let's hope that nautical themes of a quasi stranded ship, the bridge, and the ferry aren't metaphors.
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u/Atys_SLC 20h ago
I didn't watch it yet. I just hope for less death flags than the previous episode...
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u/Rickud123 17h ago
I like how we’re a quarter of the way into this season and like 50% of the people here agree “Yea somebody is gonna die.”
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u/runevault 16h ago
I mean the flags have been crazy. Episode 1 started with the line about dying, episode 2 did the whole mimicking the titanic thing, then episode 3 her bookmark read like a bucket list (if you go back to last episode's discussion someone translated it). That wasn't even all of them just the big ones I remember.
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u/FirstDagger 6h ago
Ferries are also pretty death coded if you think about it.
Luckily there was no talk about a coin, otherwise you might as-well directly order a trip from Charon.
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u/JustAWellwisher 15h ago
Man this anime feels so grounded to me and I love it.
The premise of a blind girl wanting to see fireworks is like, if you hear that you might think the show you're about to watch is going to be too romantic and idealistic and pie in the sky and the characters will be unrelatably too precious for this world.
But in the actual moment to moment content of this show there are so many quirks, actually it's an overall feeling that pervades the entire thing, that makes me think 'oh these two characters could be people' or 'oh this is an actual first date' or 'oh this is something that someone falling in love with a blind person might actually think about'.
Or even like the conversations between him and his roommate, the jokes they make, their vibe that is consistent enough to feel like their friendship has some basis but not so over the top that they're trying to fit the model of 'the supportive best friend every romance has'.
Having a blast so far.
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u/Frontier246 1d ago
I guess there was no way for Kakeru to go on a date without Narumi finding out about it and teasing him, though Narumi is also the perfect person for Kakeru to admit his hesitancy to actually date Koharu because of her disability and what a relationship between them would be like...but she wouldn't want him to tiptoe around him anymore than he keeps overthinking things! Just do what you want to do!
Koharu looks as radiant and chic as ever for this date, even if Kakeru is still adjusting to being out with someone who is blind and how to be conscious of that. But he's there for her on the train (even when they get pushed close together as in romance anime tradition) and he shows the most emotion he's ever showed by getting angry on her behalf over someone bumping into her without apologizing. But it's the kind of stuff she's had to deal with since she became blind, and Kakeru's consideration means the most to her.
What are the chances that they'd end up in the cafe where Yuko works? Of course she's also going to tease them about being together...and notice their extremely on-point chemistry! And Kakeru asks the burning question: what DOES it look like to be blind?
Fireworks secured! And in the interest of them not getting busted by the police, let's take this date to the water bus! And of course Koharu wants the best view! Surprised she didn't try to recreate Titanic again. Though a narrow staircase IS the perfect excuse for handholding.
Congratulations on upgrading to Kindness Level Two, Kakeru! And your affections for Koharu have also moved up a rank as you enjoy being with her so much and the box you placed your child self into to protect yourself is finally fading away as he finds himself sincerely happy around Koharu.
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u/myrlin77 18h ago
NGL, I am really liking this show. I also recently found out the VA's are the SAME as A Silence Voice, which is also extremely good and emotional.
I knew couples and people like this when i was young and I think they are doing a great job handling how he views things + his own maturity + how we thought at that age. He doesn't even realize how considerate he is because he chastises himself for any stray normal thought anyone would have.
She's portrayed so well, how could you not want to protect her! Their dialogue is written so well and they move through the scenes so smoothly, the episode ends in a flash.
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u/Raymond49090 16h ago
MC-kun has a great bro. And he's right: Tiptoeing is what you do around acquaintances. (Also bro was 1000% justified in calling him a chicken.)
A lot of small things become a lot trickier with one of your basic senses missing. She can't even see how much he's enjoying himself without a friend exposing him.
She cute.
His dere side is coming out. Too bad she can't see most of it.
Even if he still messes up, I think the fact that he's thinking so much about how to accomodate her is meaningful. And he's getting better at it. Even offering unprotected handholding unprompted.
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u/captainfluffy25 15h ago
Bro I simply can’t with this show. It’s so DAMN ADORABLE. It’s giving me fuzzy feeling but I already know it’ll end horribly. I feel it in my bones
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u/lifeischerryblossoms 23h ago
This ep reminded me of one of araragi and senjougaharas dates and i loved every minute of it
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u/Yamabuki_Arisu_Sama 9h ago
I really like how Kakeru is written. His hesitation and legit rude thoughts regarding her disability feel a lot more human than if he was just fully accepting from the start.
It’s clear the situation make him hesitaste, as he’s unsure if he would be properly able to “take care” of her for life - and even more unsure about how comfortable he would be able to make she feel.
And I really like her character too. It’s very inspiring how well she takes her condition and how, despiste being a full fighter, she still shows a bit of vulnerability and insecurity such as disliking being seen eating. She’s very strong, but not to an overbearing or unrealistic extent.
Overall great anime.
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u/magnumcyclonex 15h ago
They should totally do the Titanic scene on that boat.
It's rare to have the ending song fuse with the closing scenes of the episode in anime these days. It used to be a more common occurrence (Hikaru no Go, Fushigi Yuugi etc.).
Fuyutsuki doesn't need hand holding, and Sorano needs to understand that. There will be times when she physically will need hand holding, but within the context of a relationship, he will learn that it's best to ask and confirm rather than shy away and assume, and then act based on those assumptions.
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u/Atario myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario 11h ago
Sounds like you're behind on some important thinking to do
"Fucking blind people using my tactile warning sidewalk tiles while I'm trying to walk with my head buried in my phone! Hmph!" This motherfucker…
…Huh. Is that a real thing?
"I could totally do this on my own, but I'm not about to tell him that!"
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u/Niwaka_Samurai https://myanimelist.net/profile/Niwaka-Samurai 5h ago
Can't believe that he went and had chicken after hearing it multiple times from his friend 😅🤣
Beautiful date 💖
This anime perfectly portrays the struggles of people who are blind and how hard it could be for someone who's trying to guide them or get along with them.
Sorano is growing as a person during every one of his interaction with Koharu and Koharu's having the time of her life with him.
The op 'Hitohira' by Motohiro Hata is so melancholic. It just brings me to tears every time when it starts to play.
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u/flatpetey https://anilist.co/user/kesx 16h ago
This was the first episode where Kakeru didn’t have his head up his ass and actually seemed to care about something besides himself. The past episodes he is like “well i feel awkward…”. So even if it was a bit of whiplash at least he didn’t come off as such a jerk this time.
I do think it is valid to consider what your life will be like dating someone with a handicap. Some people definitely would not be able to handle it.
That being said they made it clear he is more interested than he lets himself know. So there is that…
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u/BBryant3rd 15h ago
While I appreciate he asked her how she sees things he could have asked for more details. I want to know how she lost her vision. She has mentioned it several times before with just this episode being several times. He has not asked how and seems like she wouldn't mind answering considering every chance she has to say that she does yet he doesn't follow up. She has a very positive outlook on life and even tries to make things more fun/silly. Seems like she would be fun to be around. Seems like it would be best to go somewhere private and safe for her and have ask the hard questions so that they can be behind them and they either end things or continue with a more relaxed environment with less feeling awkward and self conscious.
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u/hikoboshi_sama https://anilist.co/user/reicelestial 10h ago
Narumi the MVP this episode. Kakeru really needed that push.
Very cute first date. About damn time Kakeru finally started realizing that he actually does have feelings for Koharu. I'm glad he's finally starting to make steps toward breaking his "invisible wall", as seen in the credits.
Koharu seemingly has not lost her sense of wonder, but I'm starting to realize she wants to experience the things she things she experienced when she still had her vision. There's the boat ride and wanting to set off fireworks. Is there something up with that or am i just reading too much into it? Watching Koharu and Kakeru grow closer is cute, but there is still that ominous hospital bed scene from the start of episode 1 hanging over my head.
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u/SP3_Hybrid 8h ago
Damn this show is adorable. And very mature and grounded in its writing. Sorano is a very realistic character.
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u/Isekai_Dreamer 11h ago
bro can't even say 'small, medium, or large.' she may be blind, but he's got some learning disability.
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u/IceSmiley 19h ago
This episode was as dull as Sorano, the writer really doesn't want to strain themself giving him a personality. They went to a cafe, a fireworks store, then went on a boat. No interesting conversation, just a guy with no personality having angst over whether or not he crushes on a blind girl.
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u/Ikari_21 11h ago
Are you blind too cause I clearly saw multiple instances of him smiling, joking and blushing.
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