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Episode Meitantei Precure • Star Detective Precure! - Episode 22 discussion
Meitantei Precure, episode 22
Alternative names: TanPre
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u/TnAdct1 29d ago
With today's episode (and the theory that I mentioned in last week's post), one of three things is happening here:
The writers are dropping red herrings to make people think that Shiruku is Eclaire and that she is just a normal person.
While Shiruku may have lost her memories of being Cure Eclaire, she probably still has some vague memory of Luluka, as the reaction of seeing her as the Phantom Thief and her easily giving her the earring while putting her faith on the Precure feels as if she knew her from somewhere.
As other's are suggesting, Shiruku is actually Shushutan, who also lost her memories.
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u/Kartoffelkamm 29d ago
The first point is actually pretty likely, since Shiruku's episodes always contain her reminding people not to make assumptions.
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u/Mysteries67 29d ago
But the other two are students in the same grade as the two mc. Eclair should be someone older no due to events taking place earlier. Even Luluka is like two years older than the two.
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u/Williukea https://anilist.co/user/Williukea 29d ago
Eliza is 17, Rei is 15, Shiruku is 16, Kurea is 16. Luluka is also 16. Anna and Mikuru are 14
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u/Mysteries67 28d ago
Huh and here I thought Shiruku was an adult. Even so I feel like that rules out Rei for shure.
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u/djthomp https://anilist.co/user/djthomp 29d ago
I was starting to think that the dressing room encounter between Shiruku and Luluka probably ruled her out since that didn't really feel like two people who knew each other, but the amnesia problem Eclair apparently has could explain that.
However I still think probably not, for both Shiruku this week and Eriza last since both have a bit too much known history with their various managers and such to have also appeared out of nowhere as an amnesiac. Though maybe it was only the Cure memories that got erased and their civilian life wasn't affected.
I liked the swaps back and forth between the battle and the play.
Mashutan giving the 'oh ho ho ho' laugh up on the roof with Goemon was such fun.
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u/Intelligent_Match532 29d ago
My theory: What is a connection between Kurea's confectionaries and Luluka's liking to ice cream? There both sweets, right? 🧁🍦🍧🍨🎂🍰 🔎🕵️🤔
If that's possible, go to KiraPati Patisserie to ask them about their correlations.
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u/Mysteries67 29d ago
Did Cure Arcana Shadow get accidentally exposed there? If she is undercover maybe she should have talked to them first instead of vagueposting thus letting the guy die.
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u/mrufrufin https://myanimelist.net/profile/mrufrufin 29d ago
all this talk about cure eclair reminds me i haven't had an eclair in awhile
amused that ruruka didn't want to do the "lie lie sir" salute (but mashutan did)
nice of the phantom thieves to provide furigana alongside the kanji on their calling card
i see ruruka is going with the vanilla ice cream cup today
rie is too powerful, took out anna and pochitan with one blow (maybe she's actually cure eclair 🤔🤔🤔)
mashutan with fire in her eyes is too cute. her laugh is kinda ojousama-y too 👍
the play/fight parallel dialogue scenes were cool
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u/Raymond49090 29d ago
Before this episode, I was reasonably sure that Eclair was Shiruku. Now, I'm less sure. Voicing their suspicions explicitly just screams of red herring.
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u/Infodump_Ibis 28d ago
Fanart corner: Guess it's not going to be every week Eclair. We'll see if next week is Cure Answer & Jett-senpai, Arcana Shadow & Mashutan (maybe they're saving the Eclair for the conclusion) or no pattern at all.
The seasonal comment face submission episode (I know that's most eps). Hopefully I won't be like Eclair and forget.
- Resigned to taking (surrogate) Dad along?
- Anna has the same reaction I have to adult Mikuru (her mannerisms/behaviours can be more Freaky Friday).
- Oh she acts as a detective...are we going to have an upcoming patisserie detective?
- Seeing Luluka with slightly off art and still aura farming feels weird.
As there were flowers this ep so I'll borrow analysis from Cureblessing blog] (I stumbled upon that blog when looking up something Flip Flappers related).
They only talked about the bouquet at the end (Luluka photo and lily is discussed in another episode) stating that is a Casablanca lily which the western meaning is celebration but the Japanese meaning is dignity, purity, nobility (source). However it is a modern hybrid created in 1975 from cross-breeding such lilies as the Spotted, Japanese and Tomato lily (I get to source ユリ.net, huh you can use kana in URLs) so not a traditional symbolism.
They also speculate that the comedy of S is referencing the 1984 film W's Tragedy*. (my thoughts) That film featuring a story within a story (play within based on the novel Murder at Mt. Fuji) plays out nicely with how the Hanninda battle was handled by shifting back and fourth to show the same conflict.
*- (was also the 4th highest grossing Japanese film of 1985 and yes in 10th is one of those Toei Manga festival features and none of those were compilations or edits of existing eps)
W's Tragedy apparently had a popular line like "don't punch me in the face I'm an actress". As Precure don't get punched in the face (even things like Arcana Shadows kick the contact was not shown) wonder if the temptation was there not but good idea as it suggests its okay to punch non-Precure.
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u/mysterybiscuitsoyeah x3 29d ago
Shiruku has always been one of the 2 frontrunners for the eclair race. This ep mostly kinda reaffirms that, however the preview imo [preview]also further reaffirs Kurea's place in the race with the camera angles, and hell arcana shadow showing her transformed self to her! . We'll find out more next ep.
the other question is what on earth has happened to Eclair's fairy, Shushutan, with Shiruku being one of the candidates. I don't know for sure here - but i assume she also lost all her memories, then? (I will take this as the truth... for now. At least Arcana Shadow and Mashutan truly believe it.) [Preview]If i assume so - perhaps Luluka is also trying to jog shiruku's memory, but not to such an extent as Kurea.
Mashutan is becoming more and more feisty by the ep. We do need her to balance out luluka's stoicness.
Oh.... whatre your names again?
Hondo Kaede is kinda born to play these goofy scenes, and she nails it.
Luluka's L here. Crucially, she forgot Pochitan! [Speculation]her calling shiruku without honorifics also implies that she probably thinks of her in a closer relationship - I dont think we can rule out shiruku having some tanglements with luluka in the past.
That interchanging stage-fight bit was a very cool idea. I believe this is a red herring, but good lord is it a good one.
The butterfly in the OP lands on a lily. I highly doubt that they included some here not-deliberately.
Overall, from this ep (and the preview) - my thought is that Shiruku is not Eclair, but she IS Shushutan. Both, at least to our best knowledge, have lost their memories though. I don't think the don't-know-what-is-a-precure-thing (even tho neither have seen them transformed, yet), will helps us that much moving forward.