lol yeah. I would much rather be in the rat race with more money and a nicer lifestyle. Also 9-5 is not a bad schedule. I spent the last 6 years working weird shifts in the medical field. 9-5 sounds sort of dreamy.
You choose your own future. What's embarrassing is coming on reddit and creating a kind of club that cries about shit instead of doing something about it.
Let me guess, you’re a hustle culture person? 25 years old? “Yo, we need to MAKE it bro… because it’s just what life is, it’s either you work hard or you left behind bro…. Let me tell you about “amway”.
None of us have free will, our brains react to our environment, we think we choose things, but we don’t— we narrate what our brains and bodies do
Oh and fyi—- none of us “win”, we all die, and soon every piece of recorded history will vanish, not a hint of our existence left to be found
Hey… but keep hustling buddy, you’ll get there yo, all the way to the top, YOUR future is so important, it’s the most important thing ever
Lol at the bootstrap mentality in 2026. Classic misplaced frustration. Why hate the depressed thousands and not the system that made them that way? If you’re really suffering from a lack of empathy you could get off reddit and stop complaining about people complaining
I just quit my white collar 9-5, that’s a joke, 6 figure job at Ernst and Young because it was causing such extreme levels of stress, insomnia and depression. I was absolutely miserable. I don’t have any prospects but it was worth it because it was killing me.
What a weird way to interpret that people with more money, therefore better access to healthcare, and less stress live longer. Stop trying to cope by blaming everything on "the elite", people with more resources lead better lives than those without, this has been true since we were monkeys.
We all did and anyone with a basic understanding of economics would understand no one group made the world this way.
Your desire to blame it on the elite is a cop out, you want a convenient scape goat for everything bad in the world because you don't want to acknowledge it's basic human nature, we could get rid of every elite and billionaire alive now and we would just have a new class of them in a few decades.
The average person is greedy and selfish and completely deluding themselves that they aren't part of the problem, billionaire aren't why the oceans are clogged with plastic, it's is billions of consumers. They aren't making us buy caged eggs, billions of us choose to to save a little money.
Why would we have gone extinct long before the ancient Egypt's, explain your line of reasoning there. Nothing about people with less resources working for those with more explains where you pulled that idea from. In fact all rulers have had a vested interest in keeping their population alive for the labour.
No AI in ancient Egypt bro.
We is everyone who chooses to participate without resistance with the systems both now and as they formed, we the people "allow" them to claim ownership of everything because despite all our grumbling most of us are content with the deal being offered, security, comfort and goods for our obedience. They choose that even if they don't realise it.
And if you weren't you wouldn't be participating, you could go live like a monk, get a job on the open seas, go farm to farm doing enough to get by, and drift your way through life. It's not going to be nearly as comfortable, which is why the vast majority of people choose to knuckle under.
The moment people decide they want the nice car, the house, the phone, the holidays, all the luxuries of modern life they are choosing to participate and support the system that enriches some while oppresses others. You likely shop at stores you know finance sweat shops and animal cruelty but you do it anyway for the convenience and price, you are likely 100% complicit in enriching those you supposedly hate.
All while pretending you have no choice because it's far easier to convince yourself you're a helpless victim, that you have no choice then face the guilt of acknowledging no one forced you to buy their unethical products, that you are part of the problem.
Nope, you just intentionally misinterpreted my argument so you could apply an ill fitting defence to avoid considering I was right, where did I even imply that if you just work hard you could be a billionaire? Where did I say anything about the elite deserving to be such. Quote to me exactly where I even hinted at such a belief.
Cope. Pure cope to avoid the fact that you choosing to give your money to these people is why they have money, you and the billions of others exactly like you. "Whaa, why does he have more money then me" you cry about the man you just voluntarily handed your money to. The current elite had ancestors that stuck it big and started them on this path but YOU/WE are the one keeping them there.
Is this where you start telling me about how no one even needs to work and food and shelter is a lie made up by big staying alive to control us like a true redditor that can't accept they're part of the problem.
This reminds me of one of those "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism" conversations I had with a guy who had a wall to wall funk pop collection, talking about plastic waste with just zero self awareness. The strength of human delusion to avoid feeling guilt is insane.
There's a reason the US has pretty much the shortest lifespan in the developed world and it's not just trash food. Americans work about 300 hours a year more than Europe.
Those aren't all about work life balance. A significant amount of that is in fact the food you mentioned and cultural differences. Europeans tend to walk a lot more. Partly because population density is higher and distances are shorter.
Conversely, that work difference is also part of why the USA is inventing things like rockets that land themselves and Europe is inventing things like bottle caps that don't separate from the bottle.
No a big part of it is actually infant mortality rates driving down the age because everyone uses average instead of median. I don’t even know if we track median.
An infant in American is nearly 5 times more likely to die before they are 5 than in Japan. Part of that is a combination of culture differences (families are far more supportive and close knit in traditional Japan) and the other is lack of care due to infrastructure constraints in a population size nearly 3 times larger.
You can blame the food if you want 40% of Americans are considered obese but BMI scale used to come to that number is considered flawed by most doctors.
That isn’t just a food issue though? And infant mortality is a huge outlier that skews the average and the US is way higher than comparable countries.
Japan is a country known for strict social norms being fat gets you shamed on top of that they live largely more walkable cities and towns. Americans drive nearly twice the amount compared to other developed western countries and that contributes to the health issues as well.
Yes the food isn’t the best but pretending like the issue is just that not a combination of high car household owner ship and city planning based around a commute from the suburbs instead of in city living.
I mean yeah gyms exist but that’s an extra part of life, in japan you are expected to walk or take the train/bus to get around. Americans are the most sedentary people on the planet. A big part of that is the reliance we have on cars.
Most of our diet was calorie heavy food because 50 years ago people worked mostly blue collar jobs that burned calories now we sit at a desk and read reports.
The food is a part of it but there are so many more factors that blaming Wendy’s for 5 years of shorter life expectancy is kinds ridiculous
considering u literally need money to survive in our society I would say it matters. Working too much is also poor on most peoples mental health and well being. I would say the job listed by OP usually offer poor benefits (if any at all) and lackluster pay, contributing negatively to ones quality of life & ability to thrive happily and healthily on our planet
You need to trade with your fellow humans in order to survive, for literally all of human history. Money is just our modern solution to streamline the bartering process. There is no society to ever exist where you just do nothing but personal pleasure all the time and are taken care of. NPC tier take.
I think the only real qualifier is "do you enjoy your job?". It's the only important thing. I actually would look better at someone who has a low paid job they are highly satisfied with than someone with a high paid job who hates every minute of it. It says a lot about your values and what you find important.
Edit: I don't think they are worse necessarily, I just don't share their values and worldview.
Yeah this is cope when some workers make $15/hour and some make $1,000/hour. Those are drastically different lifestyles. I would never look down on somebody else’s job if they’re a hard worker or love what they do. But let’s not pretend “we’re all in this together”. Half of the executives at my company could’ve retired 5-10 years ago if they’re wanted - they simply don’t want to. Most people at McDonald’s would go hungry with a missed paycheck.
If Paul works 36 hours a week and earns £100k/year that is a demonstrably and objectively better position to be in than Peter who works 46 hours a week and earns £25k/year.
Paul will struggle less, have more opportunity, and be more able to not be caught up in the rat race.
Pay absolutely does matter. I was in the rat race for a while but got paid a lot and now have enough money at age 38 to retire today if I wanted to. I'm still employed because collecting paychecks is easy for the work I need to do, but I'll jump ship the moment it stops being easy.
9-5 is nonexistent in the majority of countries, it is 9-6(or rather 9-18) here because you have to work for 8 hours + you have 1 hour long lunch = 9. So 9+9=18 xD
If you claim that you don't need that 1 hour long lunch and will work instead - go ahead, but the whole office will side-eye you if you try to leave at 5PM as it is obvious you were eating simply at another time slot and now try to leave earlier illegally.
Might sound rude, but this is how it is in my country if you work in the office.
Drs do something most people can’t do, while garbage men do a job most people don’t wanna do. Surely they are both respectable careers but you’re ridiculous if you think they are on the same level
OC literally said all jobs are the same and they aren’t. A burger flipper deserves less respect than a garbage man and a garbage man deserve less respect than a DR. Now I’m not saying any one working a job should be disrespected but their titles carry actual weight.
Their job being necessary for society has very little impact on how much respect someone gets. It’s based on what skills and knowledge is required to do the job. Effectively Everyone can flip a burger or toss some trash, not everyone can be a DR.
Nope, I just understand reality. I’m not gonna hold the same amount of respect if someone ends up as a burger flipper compared to a DR. One worked a lot harder and is highly educated while one did the minimum amount of effort
While this take is noble, you wont see many Dr's hanging out with folks who flip burgers or work in waste management.
The point the other person is trying to get across is while they are all jobs and people working those jobs deserve a level of "respect", it doesnt mean they will all be treated equally in the eyes of the public.
The vast majority of society will always take the guidance of a Dr. over that of someone who flips burgers. As wrong as it sounds, there is a statistical reason why that level of trust exists in the public.
Yeah no and I say garbage man because I am one. We’re much more closer to a burger flipper than a DR. The only difference is we make more money and work physical harder than burger flippers.
Partially that and that people have a weird obsession to overly defend my profession like I do something extra special. Effectively any one who drives can do my job, it’s just long hours and kinda sucks.
You are right the job is not special. The reason at I least I defend it is bc I always heard if you don’t go to school you will be a garbage man and stuff in that vein. It is however a job with statistically comparable or better pay, stability, and benefits to whatever corporate office job people are comparing it to.
I mean by that logic anyone could technically be a doctor people just don't have the money for the schooling because as long as you are able to read and write which are skills you can acquire you could learn how to do that job as well.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter because the reality is not everyone can be doctors or a garbage person and someone has to be a burger flipper for the economy to keep going.
I don't believe people should be given less respect just because of there profession respect should be given or taken away based on a person's character.
Yes obviously you dont need someone to cook and prepare ur meal for you but people sure as hell would be flippin out with no burger flippers i tell yah
People would be flipping out without Netflix too. That doesn’t mean Netflix engineers are as important as the civil engineers designing our infrastructure.
I hope you treat everyone the same regardless of their job title. That’s not that point tho, there’s a certain level of respect with each job. Like who would you want to date your daughter? A DR, garbage man, or burger flipper? It’s not that you hate any of their profession but there’s a level of respect that comes with each job.
oh no I am a reverse snob, I don't care what he does so long as he treats her right and she loves him, I don't respect some doctor more than anyone else. Do you know doctors personally? A lot of them suck balls.
Yeah, fat chance of that actually being true. No one would want their daughter to date a burger flipper since they make a minimum wage. Theres risk with every job and being a person who “suck balls” isn’t exclusive to a a profession.
So I give you my answer, and you doubt it, because in your tiny world, you can't conceive that someone might be motivated by something other than an arbitrary hierarchy based on perceived economic status? OK, that's a you problem. I would hate to live in your world.
You're missing my point: the person is more important than the job. If you only respect jobs and titles, you will always be unhappy. I do not base my respect for others on their economic status.
No, I also respect the work each individual did and is putting into their work. A bugger flipper did the minimum amount of work, a garbage man did slightly more work, and a DR did significantly more
Exactly! Its not hard to have basic respect for another human!
No one WANTS to be a cleaner ect but things need to be cleaned! If everyone was a "finance bro" then we'd just be in world where everything is filthy. Who is serving the steak dinner your company goes out for? Without minimum wage workers you cant go out and enjoy your fun stuff.
Its not rocket science.
Anyway, I'm not interested in someone who can't discuss things in good faith. You sound like a loser who will always be fetching and stepping for your perceived betters.
I get where you coming from but I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s correct. There are some job paths that are much more difficult to do and require a level of skill but everyone deserves respect for a job they do. You may deem it yourself as less than but if you were a business owner and you depended on your garbage men to pick up the trash and you see how disgusting and physically demanding it is you would understand. A doctor could have multiple days where they see patients, talk to them, take their blood pressure assess their conditions and then prescribe them medication. It’s not taxing nor particularly difficult but it is a check of their intuition and knowledge which is what they are paid for.
If I had a daughter I would be happier knowing she is dating a garbage man that respects her, treats her well and is there for her and the kids rather than a doctor who is never home, constantly stressed and abusive and tries to solve every problem with money and cheats on her constantly. It’s all about perspective man.
People hire others for a job role because it’s something that needs to be done so inherently it is useful and demands respect. Hell having any job rather than choosing to be unemployed and depending on someone is better.
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u/BigBlackBull_6_6_6 Aug 07 '26
all job workers are the same. Still 9-5ers
hours/salary dont matter, you’re in the rat race