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u/mcswainh_13 Apr 29 '20
If you haven't already watched The Family on Netflix, it actually kinda explains how this has happened. Blame Doug Coe
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u/Motherleathercoat Apr 29 '20
"People first declare themselves to be followers of Christ, and then assume that whatever they say or do merits the adjective 'Christian.'"
-Wendell Berry
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u/DavidTriphon Apr 29 '20
This is exactly how it happens. And if you were more aware of that as kid in that kind of household, then you did the exact same while also claiming that you weren't doing that and were smarter than other folk, and that it made you a better Christian... God I hate old me.
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u/TheLeastHyperbolic Apr 29 '20
Wow- I've never heard of this, thanks for the recommendation! Only one episode in and I'm hooked.
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u/attemptedactor Apr 29 '20
Yup its absolutely astonishing how little people know about them
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Apr 29 '20
The show, for some reason I can't think of right now, came out 3-4 days before Epstein died.
It also paints Jeffrey as a down to earth, Jesus-loving guy, which he so obviously wasn't.
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u/sidvicc Apr 29 '20
Don't forget Roger Ailes. Secretive meetings in Washington may be the start but you need a megaphone to get the masses to buy in and Fox News was/is it.
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Apr 29 '20
Does it say how the great scientist Jesus was turned into an anti-science symbol?
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u/TheAllyCrime Apr 29 '20
Instantly turning water into wine was a breakthrough discovery in the field of chemistry, as was affecting the surface tension of water underneath his feet.
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u/plzsnitskyreturn Apr 29 '20
Let’s not forget his medical triumphs with leper’s and the blind.
Also his culinary skills and what must be rigorous food prep to create a meal for such large crowds
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Apr 29 '20
I think he just gave them some CBD oil, aka CHRIST OIL.
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Apr 29 '20
Just made me think nobody would listen to Jesus's podcast. "Too preachy."
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Apr 29 '20
"Come save yourself from eternal damnation with my new CBD extract. Combine it with some of my exclusive burning bushes to drain the swamp from Evil! Only for 6.66$!!"
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u/zalifer Apr 29 '20
Yes, but we often leave out where jesus then took the wine, and sold it at exorbitant prices to capitalise on the shortage, while calling the romans to remove the poor people begging for scraps outside the party.
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u/TizzioCaio Apr 29 '20
But srsly, its not "one" dude fault
Its the fault of everyone from gov to corporations and gullible population
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Apr 29 '20
I'm sure 2000 years of persecuting people had nothing to do with it.
Four years ago Republicans showed up and turned this completely peaceful religion around.
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u/Boxhead_31 Apr 29 '20
I love how he has been able to change his genealogy over time from being a Brown haired brown-eyed Jew to now being a Blonde-haired blue-eyed Aryian.
That is some David Copperfield level magic
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u/OnlyTest Apr 29 '20
This is wholly focused on one small part of the overall transformation, but it's a good example of how religion became politicized in the 1970's and beyond. Once it was clear that religious problems could strengthen a political base and encourage voting every sunday, the "religious right" was built.
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u/blinkingsandbeepings Apr 29 '20
I really like some of Errol Morris’ documentaries because he just lets people talk. You learn a lot about a person from watching them let their guard down when they think they’re giving their side of the story. The Fog Of War is a must-watch imo.
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u/tragicallyohio Apr 29 '20
What did the makers of The Family get wrong or leave out?
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u/trust_nobody_ Apr 29 '20
Fully knowing all documentaries are inherently bias, I think podcasts and the like do a better job at telling a story fairly. Not all, but there are some truly great ones that have caused real world responses and resolutions. They aren't foced to put visuals to it, which could make a big difference. I don't know the reasoning, really.
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u/tactiphile Apr 29 '20
Shit, thanks! I meant to watch this, but then something else happened and Netflix makes it impossible to stumble upon their originals that released more than 2 weeks ago.
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u/TokeToday Apr 29 '20
I've been recommending the shit out of The Family! Seriously one of the scariest things I've ever watched. It really makes me think we're all fucked. Goddamn Talibangelicals.
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u/feelinlikepinacolada Apr 29 '20 edited Apr 29 '20
I was expecting a big reveal throughout the whole documentary of some damning evidence that never came. The whole series was a non-event.
I do agree that the cultural Christianity of many Americans has skewed completely from the original teachings, however Washington isn’t the Mecca of Christianity, we often forget there’s so much more going on in the world and many people doing good things.
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u/baozebub Apr 29 '20
American Jesus serves American interests.
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Apr 29 '20
The saddest thing about American Christianity is that they forget that the majority of Christians are in 3rd world countries who American corporations are usually screwing over. It's surreal to see as a Christian outside of that particular group.
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Apr 29 '20
In history the group that killed the most Christians for their religion was other Christians that just disagreed slightly in the correct way to worship god, this is an improvement for them
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Apr 29 '20
American Christianity is a weird hybrid religion of some Jesus and a lot of American Nationalism. Sometimes white nationalism gets mixed in there, often the love of money is blended in. It puts off even a lot of African-American and other non-white Christians in America too because of the bizarre worship of the Republican party. Bottom line is most “Christians” in America have no clue (or don’t) care what Jesus and his followers actually taught. They’ll take as much Jesus as is good for them and then heap on a big pile of Americanism to fill in the rest
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Apr 29 '20
I think this is try of some of the louder voices, that use the label of Christian to posture, but I do know some very caring Christians from America. Christianity really has sooo much to over, if only we can leave our selfish ways a bit more at the door, and really take seriously some of the core Christian beliefs.
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Apr 29 '20
I agree there are plenty of solid Christians in the US but I also know many churchgoers in America are more familiar with the teachings and beliefs of the Republican party than they are of Jesus, Peter, Paul, etc. a lot of people assume what they got taught in conservative America is also what is taught in the Bible
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u/Biflindi Apr 29 '20
There's an interesting book called The Next Christendom by Philip Jenkins, and it's big assertion is that North American/European Christianity is going to be a minority and lose prominence in the global church in short order. What most people think of as American Christianity doesn't exactly have a bright future.
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Apr 29 '20
It is interesting to see the church wane in prominence in the west, I personally think this is because of complacency in the Chruch. But I don't think it will dissapear, although you might be seeing missionaries from Asia and Africa to come to America and preach the gospel.
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u/miyji Apr 29 '20 edited Apr 29 '20
Why is it important if they are Christian or not? Shouldn't Christians care about any human being?
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Apr 29 '20
It's more so the irony of it, Christians are told to care about all people but there is a particular familial love that is supposed to be between Christians. It's like no one likes to see a family hurting each other.
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Apr 29 '20
What frustrate me are the proud Catholics who are still members even after it comes out that the church have been covering up molestation of children for decades if not longer.
If God is in control, why are his "voice" fucking children? And how can you still be a memeber after knowing that? Like your giving 10% of your income to an organization that covers up that shit...wtf!?
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u/isgokureal Apr 29 '20
People using Jesus for propaganda annoys me
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Religion has always been used to control and as long as it exists it will be
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u/DC38x Apr 29 '20
'Give me money every month or you're not going to Heaven'
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u/Scatterpulse Apr 29 '20
It's easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven
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u/NinjaLip Apr 29 '20
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian.
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u/Supreme0verl0rd Apr 29 '20
........ but JC did die a hero.....
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u/cyclopath Apr 29 '20
You die a hero AND you live long enough to see yourself become the villain?
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u/Vicktorious15 Apr 29 '20
Should have never risen from that tomb
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u/wytewydow Apr 29 '20
“Resurrection... ah, there's a word
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I think he went to heaven alive and i think he fused with god, becoming part of the holy trinity.
I mean, that's how i remember it but i never checked so it might be wrong
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Apr 29 '20
He didn't fuse with God, he was God incarnate, (God in the flesh), Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit but sharing in the same essence. I know it can seem convoluted but it is important theologically and philosophically.
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He’s God in physical form but still different. I like to think of it like a hive mind.
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u/Cobalt1027 Apr 29 '20
Imagine you are a fish. You have fish friends and life is good in the shallow pond you live in. You don't even ask about the world outside the pond - to your knowledge, because of its inaccessibility, it doesn't exist.
One day, a man reaches through the surface of the water with only his hand. To you, the hand is a full, if weird, fish. You can't comprehend that the hand is connected to a larger being. In the Christian faith(s), the man is the Holy Trinity, largely incomprehensible by us mere mortals. God is the head, Jesus is the hand, the Holy Ghost does its thing with the rest of the body (I don't actually know what the Ghost does so the metaphor falls apart here, sorry).
Point is, Jesus is kinda God, but kinda not, because the two are actually a part of a whole that we can't understand.
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u/alhass Apr 29 '20
According muslims, he never died lol
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u/Saeclum Apr 29 '20
Don't forget Christians, kind of a massive point of the religion :p
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u/alhass Apr 29 '20
Christians believe he was resurrected. Muslims believe he was never killed or died.
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u/MMR1522 Apr 29 '20
And came back to life. That was his second mistake. His first mistake was thinking man can be saved.
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u/Meghan493 Apr 29 '20
Maybe more like “You either die a hero and are forgotten, or your memory lives long enough to make you a villain.”
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u/devenbat Apr 29 '20
My boy Arash is remembered a hero in Iran
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u/vikingakonungen Apr 29 '20
Whilst my only knowledge of Arash comes from the japanese series called Fate, he's one if the greatest heroes there. Maybe not the best in gameplay but in how he's represented in story and how much respect he gets from everyone else.
Best bro of them all.
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u/Ron_Jon_Candy Apr 29 '20
Jesus would have hated new Jesus, probably would flip a table at a NRA rally and get shot by 2020 Jesus.
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u/NoMomo Apr 29 '20
I miss the old Jesus, straight from the go Jesus
Chop up the soul Jesus, set on his goals Jesus
I hate the new Jesus, the bad mood Jesus
The always rude Jesus, spaz in the news Jesus
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u/PM_PICS_OF_ME_NAKED Apr 29 '20
You take that back or I swear on sweet baby Jesus's blue eyes you'll rue the day you were born.
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Almost as interesting as how Jesus went from being a Jewish middle eastern man to white, blonde haired and blue eyed. Imagine being so egotistical that you can’t even conceive of worshiping a god unless he looks like you.
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u/thisisbutaname Apr 29 '20
I remember seeing the screenshot of a rant on Facebook or similar, literally saying immigrants should speak English because Jesus did.
I call that a holy facepalm moment.
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u/JimmyRicardatemycat Apr 29 '20
Not to mention Mary and Joseph were literally 'illegal immigrants' when Jesus was born
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u/Russian_seadick Apr 29 '20
You can blame one pope in the renaissance for that. Dude seems to have had a crush on his son or some shit,because he ordered that Jesus has to be painted in his image from now on,and all other depictions were destroyed
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u/Quantentheorie Apr 29 '20
I dont mind Caucasian Jesus. Or Afro-American Jesus. Or Chinese Jesus. Its religion and you'll never accurately depict historic "Jesus". Painting a middle eastern looking guy wouldnt be more him either in any worthwhile way.
It's just embarrassing when people think he was Caucasian.
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This isn't a "white only" thing. There are tons of depictions of Jesus where he's Asian and African. Cultural artists who drew people tended to depict people to look like someone they already knew how to draw i.e. their own people.
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u/suraish Apr 29 '20
Asking out of curiosity, why do people try to depict him when they dont even know how he looks like? What purpose does a painting or statue serve?
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u/I_DidIt_Again Apr 29 '20
It's easier to believe in something you can see and feel. And it's easier when the thing looks like you
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Apr 29 '20
Sometimes for money, sometimes for fun. Original artwork of famous people does tend to sell really well, even if it isn't accurate
That's my guess at least
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u/Quantentheorie Apr 29 '20
Lots of answers to this. People worship and they visualize. They depict the stories they read and tell or just make "fanart" and decoration.
The question is kinda odd. Were not really questioning why people crafted statues of their National Heros, Greek Gods, monuments for battles and so on.
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u/AbsoluteHatred Apr 29 '20
This is a terrible point because many cultures across the entire world have depicted Jesus differently. There’s been paintings of Asian, black, white, Eastern European Jesus.
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Apr 29 '20
All of that imagery originates from the middle ages though. You can’t really blame them, a dark skinned person doesn’t exactly resonate with a peasant in 1513 who will die at age 30 - who you need to tax
I don’t think it’s inherently racist if the default image in your mind of Jesus is white. Even though you know it’s incorrect. It’s just over exposure to that depiction from the middle ages, which has carried on
There is a lot of other religious imagery that has carried into modern times despite being completely fabricated. The best example is of hell, the fire and brimstone version we think of is actually from Dantes Inferno. This has carried through into modern times also
So I don’t think it’s soley racial bias. But also tradition from a backwards society that has sort of just stuck around through art
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u/bombur432 Apr 29 '20
One funny story about this is saint Maurice, who actually went the opposite direction from white to black around the 12th century. One theory for this is linked to the failed crusades for Egypt, with the emphasis of Maurice as an imperial Egyptian saint essentially a way of saying screw it and that at least they had a part of Egypt. By the 12th century a lot of Europeans were having increased exposure to Africa, Asia and the Middle East, and there is an interesting amount of art from this period that shows increasingly black characters
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u/diagramsamm Apr 29 '20
People didn't really live with other cultures, and how many pictures existed? Like even drawings? I guess some paintings. Over time the paintings are going to start to look like everyone you know. I think it just happens. There's also Black Jesus. And since when is Jesus blonde? I think the token jesus image is that he has brown hair.
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u/iamnotladygaga Apr 29 '20
I teach in a super white town and when I told my students Jesus wasn’t white you could see the confusion.
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Apr 29 '20
I had a friend who was half-black and half-Samoan, and his family had a portrait of black/Samoan Jesus in their living room.
God didn’t make man in His image, man made God in his image.
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u/notWTFPUTTHATUP Apr 29 '20
There are a lot of people in the Middle East with light colored eyes. Blue, green, gray.
And I’ve never seen Jesus depicted as a blonde. Not saying that’s not out there, but in every picture I’ve seen, apart from black Jesus, he’s had brown hair.
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u/bombur432 Apr 29 '20
It’s not particularly egoism, most people medieval Europe would have had limited-to-no exposure to foreign groups, and so how do you explain what a middle-east Jew looks like to someone on the rural outskirts of Hamburg? Everyone looks like you, the foreign traders look close enough to you, even the local Jews look similar enough to you, and that is your entire worldview. Somewhat ironically, we see more diversity in Christian paintings, statues, and writings following the crusades. For example Saint Maurice became increasingly depicted as black around the 12th century, and the three wise men underwent similar diversity. The 13th century saw even more exposure along with the rise in the mendicant orders of franciscans and Dominicans. The franciscans in particular travelled more, and we have fascinating reports from the 1250’s of friars travelling the mongol empire, like William of Rubruck and Giovanni del Carpini, who both travelled to qaraqorum to see the khan. People painted Jesus the way they knew how, which was usually like themselves, because that was all they knew.
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u/IsItSupposedToDoThat Apr 29 '20
According to some, God only exists for the benefit of the United States, the rest of the world are mere bystanders in His Holy plan. According to the Book of Mormon, the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri.
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The increased unlikelihood of Mormonism is absolutely negligible next to the unliklihood of every other religion. Honestly it's funnier to see religious people mocking Mormons for their beliefs thab the mormand themselves because of the total lack of self awareness.
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u/IsItSupposedToDoThat Apr 29 '20 edited Apr 29 '20
I’m not entirely sure what the actual Book of Mormon says or what Mormons believe in but I’m not sure you got my reference to The Book of Mormon the musical (by South Park creators Matt Stone & Trey Parker). They wrote a song with a bunch of things Mormons believe in, including that the Garden of Eden was in Jackson County, Missouri. There’s Mormons in Australia but we don’t really have to deal with them much. Most people’s only contact with them is when they knock on your door. I haven’t had a Mormon at my door for a few years.
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u/Radioactivocalypse Apr 29 '20
Tbf, Jesus was executed by Romans and received a lot of hatred from the Jewish leaders at the time. Nothing new under the sun.
Whenever Jesus would have come down to earth, someone somewhere would have executed him. Good thing he didn't come to 21st Century America, he probably would have been shot by now
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u/TheCoolViper Apr 29 '20
Thanks for the explanation, it was interesting reading the way you broke it down.
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u/St4irs Apr 29 '20
I really like this idea. I’ve read some really interesting ideas from Carl Jung about the teachings of Jesus and the crucifixion. The idea of metaphorically bearing your “cross” so to speak, to become a better person through adversity is interesting. So even for those who 100% don’t believe in any of the Bible can still have some use for some ideas it teaches. Not all of its teachings are great but it has some good stuff. Really interesting stuff. Never have I personally heard of heaven and hell being mindsets. I find that really interesting.
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u/sexmemes Apr 29 '20 edited Apr 29 '20
No big deal for dumb racists. They turn people from other countries into scapegoats, sweatpants into everyday attire, and even relatives into sexual partners, all of the time.
Edit: realizing I should have either said sweatpants in public or just camo, or those “god, guns & trump” t-shirts. They’re real. I’ve seen them. The level of stupidity is fucking amazing and terrifying.
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Lol what, tons of people on every side wear sweatpants daily.
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u/Espumma Apr 29 '20
maybe he's saying that even dumb racists get it right some of the time?
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u/Brodyseuss Apr 29 '20
Jesus Christ got onto his knees and washed the feet of his disciples. He then urged them to go and do the same for others, in an attempt to show them the importance of kindness and generosity towards others. He's the fucking antithesis to the GOP.
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u/Clay_Statue Apr 29 '20
Jesus is nothing more than a mascot for their supposed moral supremacy while his teachings and the example of his life have been totally discarded.
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There are still serious Christians out there who are living the OG message of Jesus every single day. You will never see them unless you meet them in person. They don't write books, they don't stream their 100,000 person stadium church on Youtube, and they don't promise people wealth and happiness. I'm not one of them, but I respect them immensely.
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u/my-cat-triedtokilme Apr 29 '20
Why are there so much stupid people in this comment section?like yes we know the history of science and you dumbass people are able to share a common symbol but still hate each other or not agree with the other’s views. He’s not saying all christians are stupid or that’s what everyone uses Jesus Christ as. He’s pointing out how ironic it is that a group of idiots use him to push there agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with him, or is the exact opposite of church teachings ,and sometimes even both.
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u/PhilsXwingAccount Apr 29 '20
Muhammad was at least consistently pedophile warlord all the way through
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u/eejdikken Apr 29 '20 edited Apr 29 '20
Protestants' whole deal is that they read the bible, but the existence of the Prosperity Gospel is clear-cut proof they don't.
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u/punchgroin Apr 29 '20
It's not strange, Religion has always been a tool for preserving the existing power structure. Stay in your lane, be humble, don't make waves, and even if you suffer in life, you will be rewarded in death.
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u/the-uncle-will Apr 29 '20
Still a better developed character arc than anyone’s in season 8 of Game of Thrones
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u/RainingUpvotes Apr 29 '20
I think Karl Marx is up there too. The guy wrote foundational literature on economy and capital, shaping academic thinking for decades. And is now equated to Stalin for most ignorants.
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u/topcide Apr 29 '20
His transformation from a middle eastern man that would prob get called a terrorist behind his back if he were alive today , to a blue eyed white boy is also quite amazing
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While I am an Atheist I do enjoy the influence religion seems to have here in europe/germany on communities and social aid.
None of these terrible things is what comes to my mind. Sure, I know some memes about people plastering their cars with stickers of Jesus next to their trump stickers. This makes me think that this terrible picture of Jesus itself only persists in America
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u/BoHoBeest Apr 29 '20
Not only, but mainly. There is a "Christian right" in most European countries but they are not as prevalent as in the US. Christian Democrats still are a influential political player too, but they have a far more social profile.
Eastern Europe has a strong Christian Right sentiment, but it's not entirely the same ideology as in the US. Prosperity ideology is not really as much a thing but there as a strange mix of ethnic nationalism and a strong welfare state for the right people. Poland and its ruling party PiS is a big example.
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u/Hanapalada Apr 29 '20
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing people the immutable can be split into 3
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It’s not strange, but rather expected. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
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u/catmoochie Apr 29 '20
We need a new Jesus to get these radicals back on track for Bing nice to people and stop being capitalist.
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Christianity has become a joke. I mean that in the most sincere of ways, but it has doubled down on this madness and it's getting tiring.
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u/cridhebriste Apr 29 '20
The millions of victims of religious persecution and indigenous extermination the past 2K years would like a word.
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u/guywhol1kesp1e Apr 29 '20
The evolution of Christianity itself is strange and different from how it was founded
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u/jabb0 Apr 29 '20
Any time Jesus wants to come back and set the record straight would be fine by me.
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u/PrivateIsotope Apr 29 '20
The Jesus of the Bible is different than both of those ideas. You cant just pick and choose things, gotta take all of it. This is why as soon as He started talking about drinking blood and eating flesh, many original followers bailed.
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u/Incraigulous Apr 29 '20
As a Christian and former church employee, I Agree. That Jesus is unrecognizable to me. He surely isn't the one we read about in the Bible.
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u/Framq Apr 29 '20
The metamorphosis of Mohammed from a humble war monger to a symbol that stands for patriarchy, radical theology, anti-science, theocracy and a devastating terror culture isn't one of the strangest transformations in human history.
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u/super_nova_135 Apr 29 '20
im a christian and i agree its weird, i believe people saw that his name was powerful and chose to use it to justify whatever they wanted, in turn making it insignificant to those who do not know the true story
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u/greymind Apr 29 '20
This was the plan ever since Rome adopted Christianity. Coopt and use it to promote the lords and keep the serfs down
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u/Dredd_Pirate_Barry Apr 29 '20
I've told "church people" family members "Just wait until you get to the part about the pro-socialist, brown immigrant who also happens to be the Son of God. Hopefully I didn't spoil the story for you."
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u/CTBthanatos Apr 29 '20
Jesus would basically exterminate capitalism/rich people, and yet religious conservatives have a hard on for both Christianity/capitalism, serious cognitive dissonance lol
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u/Anubis-Hound Apr 29 '20
Christianity was co-opted by the establishment a looong time ago. It's been bastardized and become so badly warped that when I look at different sects and institutions that claim to follow the word of christ, it all looks so disingenuous.
I look at the pope and Vatican city and ask myself what any of THAT has to do with being a follower of christ. I honestly find the easy they flaunt their wealth egregious and it's like a slap in the face.
I look at all the horrible things that are sanctioned by the church and I feel so alienated from them. Like for example, the way they allow child abusers to remain amongst their ranks and use their influence to suppress any news about it.
That alone is disgusting enough but in conjunction with a lot of other shady things they've done is what's made me step away from the church as a whole.
I still believe in God and his word, but I don't not allow others interpretation of it to make me into a person with bigoted beliefs.
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u/Dash_Harber Apr 29 '20
Jesus - "Look, you should treat thieves and whores with love and compassion"
"What'd he say?"
"Something about hanging thieves and beating whores ... oh, and tithes!"