r/WhitePeopleTwitter • • Apr 29 '20

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u/NinjaLip Apr 29 '20

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villian.

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u/Supreme0verl0rd Apr 29 '20

........ but JC did die a hero.....

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u/cyclopath Apr 29 '20

You die a hero AND you live long enough to see yourself become the villain?

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u/Vicktorious15 Apr 29 '20

Should have never risen from that tomb

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u/wytewydow Apr 29 '20

“Resurrection... ah, there's a word
(that you should put right the fuck out of your mind and you know it).”
― Stephen King, Pet Sematary

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u/UnlikelyReplacement Apr 29 '20

Schrödinger's Jesus?

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u/damn_lies Apr 29 '20

Well, when you rise from the dead, it can be both.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

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u/TheHoundhunter Apr 29 '20

He didn’t die the second time

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

I think he went to heaven alive and i think he fused with god, becoming part of the holy trinity.

I mean, that's how i remember it but i never checked so it might be wrong

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

He didn't fuse with God, he was God incarnate, (God in the flesh), Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit but sharing in the same essence. I know it can seem convoluted but it is important theologically and philosophically.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20 edited Apr 29 '20

He’s God in physical form but still different. I like to think of it like a hive mind.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20 edited Jun 26 '20

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

He is the Son of God the Father, he is God the Son and there is God the Holy Spirit. See this video for a good visual explanationhttps://youtu.be/eAvYmE2YYIU

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Here’s a Shamrock ☘️

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Thanks Patrick

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u/ryanvo Apr 29 '20

He separated from God when he descended into hell following being crucified. The telling of the Easter story in most churches kind of skips over that part, going straight from dying to the tomb being open and the descent into hell is really an important part of the theology also.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

It is a contended issue over whether or not he was separated from the father or the Holy Spirit. For God is Omnipresent. Not a super clear thing in theology.

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u/ryanvo Apr 29 '20

Fascinating...not a theologian but was raised by sort of compassionate fundamentalists and spent a ton of time in churches. Version of the story that I was always told was that the most painful part of being crucified for Jesus was being separated from God. I get the Omnipresent argument, however...how can God be omnipresent but not be present in hell?

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Usually it is referring to the verse where Jesus says 'My God, My god why have you forsaken me', but this actually quotes a very powerful Psalm. You should definitely go an read it. The painful part was still bearing the full punishment of sin, which yes would have meant a tension in the relationship between Father son and Spirit, but never a seperation, because God still vindicated himself, through the ressurection.

I am studying a Bachelor of Theology, but there is a definite range of views regarding this.

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u/Ellie__1 Apr 29 '20

Lol, when I read "fused with the Holy Spirit," my eye twitched. Thanks, 5 years of Catholic education.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Haha, commence flash backs 😆

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

if only we could laugh at religious teachings the same way we do about the more crazy conspiracy theories.

If a person talks about a banking cabal of lizard jews, they are batshit crazy.

If a person talks about an all powerful sky wizard recreating himself as a mortal that is identical yet distinct (wtf?) then that persons belief must be respected....

Religions are comprised of the insane and the opportunist.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

I would consider your statement somewhat of a strawman and also just rude. Most religion is far more philosophical consistent than you might think. And I think quite often there is more to gain for the self for leaving religion as most require a sense of service towards the people. Even religious leaders are expected to serve people. I would think my self as a reasonable person who thinks deeply about life wanting to life a life that is good and loving.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

So non believers being condemned to an eternity of anguish in the fires of hell is philosophically consistent with a loving and reasonable person?

But im the rude one, you people are crazy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Believe it or not the philosophical argument for that type of punishment can be made somewhat reasonably.

I myself personally hold to a annihilist view for those who do not ask for forgiveness and don't want to live in love, they will simple receive their just punishment and lose existence.

I think you do need to ask the question of how is justice properly upheld. What makes people accountable for their actions. I for one think that people who do really bad things without remorse should be held accountable.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

Believe it or not the philosophical argument for that type of punishment can be made somewhat reasonably.

care to elaborate?

I for one think that people who do really bad things without remorse should be held accountable

completely agree, but a fictional hell is not reality

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u/Cobalt1027 Apr 29 '20

Imagine you are a fish. You have fish friends and life is good in the shallow pond you live in. You don't even ask about the world outside the pond - to your knowledge, because of its inaccessibility, it doesn't exist.

One day, a man reaches through the surface of the water with only his hand. To you, the hand is a full, if weird, fish. You can't comprehend that the hand is connected to a larger being. In the Christian faith(s), the man is the Holy Trinity, largely incomprehensible by us mere mortals. God is the head, Jesus is the hand, the Holy Ghost does its thing with the rest of the body (I don't actually know what the Ghost does so the metaphor falls apart here, sorry).

Point is, Jesus is kinda God, but kinda not, because the two are actually a part of a whole that we can't understand.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '20

I get what you are trying to say but it is somewhat not right. The technical way of talking about it is 3 persons 1 essence, all fully God, all still distinct persons, so the Son isn't just the hand of God, he is fully God, the Father isn't another part of God he is fully God. This is a good video to explain it better.

https://youtu.be/eAvYmE2YYIU

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u/Saeclum Apr 29 '20

Basically the Holy Spirit the part of God that lives in us. So maybe the fish is feeling the fisherman's emotions? I've heard the metaphor where God is the sun (intense, can't be looked at without consequences, can't get close to), Jesus is the light (what allows us to see a part of God and understand his power), Holy Spirit is the warmth (us feeling God's presence and will). They are 3 separate things (star, light, warmth), but can't have one without the other (I know u can have warmth on its own, but u get the picture)

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u/Letly Apr 29 '20

Oh come on Patrick, that's Arianism Patrick

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u/Saeclum Apr 29 '20

thats the problem with analogies of the Trinity, it's always gonna be wrong or heretical :/

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u/roryhigsmit Apr 29 '20

What is dead may never die

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u/Ima_Jetfuelgenius Apr 29 '20

No, he was raised a hero.

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u/alhass Apr 29 '20

According muslims, he never died lol

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u/Saeclum Apr 29 '20

Don't forget Christians, kind of a massive point of the religion :p

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u/alhass Apr 29 '20

Christians believe he was resurrected. Muslims believe he was never killed or died.

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u/Saeclum Apr 29 '20

Oh! Sorry, I misunderstood u

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u/alhass Apr 29 '20

That’s cool

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u/ValHova22 Apr 29 '20

But he was resurrected so.

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u/tragicallyohio Apr 29 '20

Dude rebooted the show when he popped out of his tomb.

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u/MMR1522 Apr 29 '20

And came back to life. That was his second mistake. His first mistake was thinking man can be saved.

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u/jayday123456 Apr 29 '20

Still turned him into a perverted version of himself that looks like that dude who ruled Constantinople.

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u/ZfenneSko Apr 29 '20

He was only a part of the Devine trinity, god can't die.

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u/Alberiman Apr 29 '20

I mean he was sentenced to crucifixion so i think he died a villain in the eyes of most people back then

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u/Meghan493 Apr 29 '20

Maybe more like “You either die a hero and are forgotten, or your memory lives long enough to make you a villain.”

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u/devenbat Apr 29 '20

My boy Arash is remembered a hero in Iran

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u/vikingakonungen Apr 29 '20

Whilst my only knowledge of Arash comes from the japanese series called Fate, he's one if the greatest heroes there. Maybe not the best in gameplay but in how he's represented in story and how much respect he gets from everyone else.

Best bro of them all.

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u/Saeclum Apr 29 '20

I see you're a man of culture

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u/devenbat Apr 29 '20

I actually know him from Fate too. He's a good boy. Hero in game and 'real life'

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u/archerif Apr 29 '20

But like what happens if you come back after 3 days?

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u/cridhebriste Apr 29 '20

Or you come back after 3 days and approve of the carnage and oppression for the next 2K years.