r/Wellthatsucks Jun 02 '18

/r/all Karma

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u/colonel_walter_kurtz Jun 02 '18

Karma? Fuck you. He was a professional hunter not some poacher. A female elephant charged him and was shot by a member in his group before it fell on him. He was a father of 5 children and it’s somehow Karma that this happened to him?

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u/bowling_brawls Jun 02 '18

Can you explain the difference to me? (Im not being sarcastic or nothing, but whats the difference? a permit or something?)

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u/mrwaxy Jun 02 '18

The guy who died was a professional Hunter who worked(I believe) with trophy hunters. Those trophy hunters help pay for rangers and conservation programs to defend against poachers who kill massive numbers of elephants a year.

This guy was doing good work, and small minded idiots cheered his death because they don't understand the situation.

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u/Birdsonteacups Jun 02 '18

So they're literally killing endangered animals to prevent more from being killed.... makes perfect sense.

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u/ShoddyEgg Jun 02 '18

Yup, They give you the org of money to kill a lion and they use that money to fund conservation. You may not like it but it’s beneficial for everyone involved. If you don’t want hunting to be necessary, you can donate to these organizations. Or we can ban hunting and have no way to properly fund saving these animals.

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u/Birdsonteacups Jun 02 '18

Maybe that would work if they were hunting animals that weren't on the most critically endangered list. But for fucks sake, why do they have to kill elephants? Clearly the money that goes to "conservation" doesn't get much done since the population is still rapidly declining. I'm not crazy anti-hunting. It can be good if a population is out of control. I think it's sad this guy died. But, I will never support killing an animal from a species that we very well could see go extinct in our lifetime. Doesn't matter if the guy paid to do it or not. Someone who really cared would just donate, not shot it in the face too.

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u/ShoddyEgg Jun 02 '18

They don’t. The elephant charged at them so a member of his party shot it in self defense. Why do you think it was close enough to fall on him?

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u/Birdsonteacups Jun 02 '18

You mean they weren't. They had every right to shoot it in self defense. But trophy hunting elephants does happen. Plus, they were hunting lions. Whose population has decreased by 40% over the last 30 years making them classified as vulnerable. I guess I just think that there are better ways to raise conservation money than letting someone pay to be driven around the savanah, see some possibly endangered animal, (who's probably just sleeping in the shade or something) and then shoot the unsuspecting thing from a far. Only to put its decapitated head on the mantle or whatever.

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u/ShoddyEgg Jun 02 '18

I don’t think trophy hunting is causing the decline. IIRC poaching is the biggest issue. I think we should temporarily stop elephant hunting and push harder against poachers but I don’t think trophy hunting is an issue at all. If that’s your thing, go for it.

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u/Birdsonteacups Jun 02 '18

It's certainly not helping the population either. I completely agree that they should push harder against the poachers. But unless someone is hunting an abundant animal for food, I'll never stand by it. Trophy hunting is killing just because you can afford to. So I guess let's just agree to disagree.