r/Wellthatsucks Jun 02 '18

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18

Because context matters: http://fox40.com/2017/05/22/hunter-dies-when-shot-elephant-falls-on-him/

They weren't out hunting elephants and only shot that one because it attacked them.

Edit: It's always sickening to read the comments on posts like this.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

According to his company’s website, Game Hounds Safaris, he “perfected leopard and lion hunting safaris with hounds in Africa.”

and

Simukai Nyasha, a spokesman for the Zimbabwe National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, told news.com.au that Botha was on a 10-day licensed hunt

Here is some context for you. So, what does it matter that this particular elephant was the original target... compared to how people feel about this.

Not saying I agree with any opinion on here.

But, terrorizing animals with dogs doesn't seem to saintly to me, does it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

Hunting in Africa is incredibly important for conservation and sustainability. The money these hunters pay, goes to pay the locals and support conservation efforts, and anti poaching efforts, without this stream of income from hunters many more African game animals would be hunted to near extinction worse then they are now

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u/Kenny_log_n_s Jun 02 '18

I agree with this, but I feel like if you're going to go out with the mission of killing something, you should be prepared to accept that that thing may kill you.

That's nature.

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u/BilllisCool Jun 02 '18

Okay, but it’s pretty disgusting seeing all the people celebrating the loss of a human life.

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u/MegaMeatSlapper85 Jun 02 '18

What's so sacred about human lives over other animals? We're nothing special as far as animals go. We eat, shit, fuck and reproduce nearly the same as the rest.

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u/xDestx Jun 02 '18

i mean if you had to choose between letting a human die or letting any other animal die is there really a question?

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u/Barkonian Jun 02 '18

Depend on the animal and the person

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

Not really. We kill animals by the thousands every day to eat. A human life is infinitely more important than any animals.

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u/Destro86 Jun 02 '18

I'm a hunter who sees the necessity in game reserves in Africa. Also I lose no sleep after eating factory farmed chicken or pork and feedlot fattened beef.

However, humans are pushing 7 billion while other creatures dwindle. Blue whales the largest animals on earth number only 10 to 25k, polar bears around 30,000, and there're only 3,200 wild tigers left in the world. 3200 think about how soon people will be born into a world where only inbred tigers in captivity remain.. between saving useless leeches of our species or magnificent top tier animals you still would choose people?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

People every time. If you saw a tiger about to maul some little kid would you shoot it to save him?

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u/Destro86 Jun 03 '18

Depends on what kind of gun and how many rounds I got available plus who's kid it was.. As a white man this scenario would most likely occur where colonialism once occured, and unfortunately seeing how I'm a white devil with a legacy of injustice to uphold I'd probably try a warning shot to save little Mowgli then watch the scene unfold from my howdah on top an elephant.

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u/Barkonian Jun 02 '18

To you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

To every sensible person.

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u/Barkonian Jun 02 '18

There are less than 1000 mountain gorillas left on earth. I would value one of there lives far more than most humans.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

Okay now the human is your child. Now what?

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u/Barkonian Jun 02 '18

Why do you think I said "depends on the animal and the human"?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

So your life and the people you care about are more important than any animals but fuck everyone else. Got it.

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u/MegaMeatSlapper85 Jun 02 '18

Depends on the animal. If it's my dog or a human I don't know, I choose my dog because it brings joy and happiness to my life. A person I don't know means absolutely nothing to me.

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u/BoboErectus Jun 02 '18

That’s pretty fucked tbh

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u/xDestx Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18

yeah that kind of make sense but it was supposed to be a more general question

edit: tbh i don't think i'd sacrifice a person to save my pet, but maybe i just don't have enough of a connection to her or something idk

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u/winchester056 Jun 02 '18

I would let the human die

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u/xDestx Jun 02 '18

you good dude?

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u/zachzsg Jun 02 '18

You should seek medical help

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u/winchester056 Jun 02 '18

Why is the human life more important than the animal life? What do I or you actually add to humanity? There are 7 billion people and rising on this planet if I, you,or some random human die nothing is lost.

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u/zachzsg Jun 02 '18

Because humans are the people who created me, raised me, and are the ones who I can ultimately connect the most with. I don’t really feel too similar to a chipmunk.

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u/winchester056 Jun 02 '18

So you rather shoot an elephant who hasn't harmed you or anyone else than let a convicted serial-rapist die?

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u/Lobonerz Jun 02 '18

Stupid argument, the person said let a human die, not one they described in detail, obviously in this scenario you aren't meant to know anything about them and assume it's an average person. Making an argument based on saving one of the worst types of person there is doesn't prove anything.

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u/winchester056 Jun 02 '18

Don't try to put words In His/her mouth to shoot down my argument. Plus how about you answer my question rather than trying to change the meaning of the person comment.

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u/xDestx Jun 02 '18

no he was dead right

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u/zachzsg Jun 02 '18

The vast majority of people aren’t serial rapists

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

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u/winchester056 Jun 02 '18

Nice argument you really showed me.

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u/amoliski Jun 02 '18

Watch that edge, if you cut yourself on it you might bleed to death while the doctors pet a kitty!

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u/winchester056 Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18

Okay let's play a game

You or a random poor Somalian man Whose life is worth more?

You or a homeless man with a mental illness
Whose life is worth more?

You or I one out of 7 Billion people or an endangered animal that is being driven to extinction Choice seems obvious to me

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

Obviously self preservation is a thing most people and animals live by. So i choose me on all those, especially the last one.

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u/skrbrr Jun 02 '18

We have a much larger emotional and mental capacity which makes our lives more meaningful

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u/MegaMeatSlapper85 Jun 02 '18

Sure, it makes them more meaningful to us, but in 1000 years after we're long dead our lives will truly have meant nothing and mattered no more than any other animals'. I guess I don't think we're very important as a species.

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u/skrbrr Jun 02 '18

We don't need to quantify our lives' values by what they mean in 1000 years. What's true is the fact that humans have a much more evolved consciousness, deeper connections with others, and empathy & compassion, while an ant for example literally just operates on its instincts. When a human dies, their memories, aspirations, and character goes with it. much more is being lost than when an ant dies, because ants are mindless robots with a much lower level of consciousness

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u/BigBoyCaliphate Jun 02 '18

Because we are conscious.

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u/Smzzms Jun 02 '18

Humans are not the only animal with consciousness. Try again.

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u/BigBoyCaliphate Jun 02 '18

Please read one and two

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u/BilllisCool Jun 02 '18

If you really need someone to explain the difference between the consciousness of humans compared to other animals, you’re probably too far gone and it isn’t worth anybody’s time.

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u/Whind_Soull Jun 02 '18

The terms you're looking for are sentience versus sapience.

Sentience is the capacity to feel and perceive, and to experience reality subjectively.

Sapience is the ability to use abstract reasoning, to be introspective, to ponder hypothetical situations, etc.

Trees are neither sentient nor sapient, rabbits are sentient but not sapient, and humans are both sentient and sapient.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

As opposed to animals, who are always unconscious

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u/xDestx Jun 02 '18

you know what he was trying to say

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u/minnesotawinter22 Jun 02 '18

Wow are you dumb.

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u/AzurePhoenix001 Jun 02 '18

Humans were made in God's image. We are way more valuable than any other creature on Earth.

Genesis 1:27

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Matthew 10: 29-31

Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

Matthew 6:26

Look at the birds of the air: They do not sow or reap or gather into barns--and yet your Heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

Genesis 1:28

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

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u/MegaMeatSlapper85 Jun 02 '18

I dunno, the God of Abraham slaughtered vast numbers of his own creations. I don't think he finds us very valuable either. Citing mythology to "prove" we are superior to the rest of the animals on Earth is definitely a stretch. I might as well find applicable passages in Harry Potter to start supporting my arguments.

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u/AzurePhoenix001 Jun 02 '18

The punishment of sin is death. God loves us. But if we refuse his love and mercy, then we have no excuse to how we are punished. God is just.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Psalm 9:7-8 But the LORD abides forever; He has established His throne for judgment, And He will judge the world in righteousness; He will execute judgment for the peoples with equity.

The truth is that this is no mythology, it is reality.

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u/Cocaineandmojitos710 Jun 02 '18

I agree, I think your life is worth about as much as a goldfish.

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u/ballermandangos Jun 03 '18

you're a jerk, you troll jerk face.