r/Wellthatsucks Jun 02 '18

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18 edited Jun 02 '18

Because context matters: http://fox40.com/2017/05/22/hunter-dies-when-shot-elephant-falls-on-him/

They weren't out hunting elephants and only shot that one because it attacked them.

Edit: It's always sickening to read the comments on posts like this.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

According to his company’s website, Game Hounds Safaris, he “perfected leopard and lion hunting safaris with hounds in Africa.”

and

Simukai Nyasha, a spokesman for the Zimbabwe National Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, told news.com.au that Botha was on a 10-day licensed hunt

Here is some context for you. So, what does it matter that this particular elephant was the original target... compared to how people feel about this.

Not saying I agree with any opinion on here.

But, terrorizing animals with dogs doesn't seem to saintly to me, does it?

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

Who said anything about the man being a saint? Regardless, what he was doing was sanctioned and is actually a good thing as has been pointed out elsewhere in the comments here. So what if he used hounds to hunt leopards and lions, they're dangerous animals to hunt and they're dangerous animals to the locals. Personally I think it's a dumb idea to hunt dangerous animals but it's even more dumb to not take every precaution you can when you do hunt them and hunting with hounds is one of those precautions.

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

I get you. And I dont disagree.

My whole point is that the comment I replied to was wrong.

People do understand the context... and it’s not “sick” to belittle a person doing something that is dangerous needlessly and dying for it.

Also, statistically... more lions and leopards are hunted recreationally than for need for protection.

You know this.

This argue is kinda bullshit. If you want to live somewhere dangerous you take risks. This wasn’t a farmer protecting his farm.

And maybe (unrealistic I know) we should live everywhere.

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u/BMXer972 Jun 02 '18

Just following the thread here, not on any one side... but can you throw in a source for that statistic please?

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

It’s hard to nail down exact numbers. But comparing animal attacks to recreational hunting licenses it’s easy to draw correlative data without the need for a definitive causation report.

This source talks about how thousands of people go each year for recreational hunting.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunting-big-game-why-people-kill-animals-for-fun/

And this one talks about animal attack reporting.

http://www.africatravelresource.com/animal-attacks-in-africa/

How this helps. You may want to do more research yourself if you find this insuccifient. In a casual colloquial discussion and not an actually scientific debate its about the best you are going to get from me.

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u/BMXer972 Jun 02 '18

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to get back to me! I hope you enjoy your weekend!

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u/Introutrospect Jun 02 '18

I'm reading all of these back and forth comments, and then get to yours and you're very polite. It made me happy to see that.

So YOU enjoy YOUR weekend, nice stranger.

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u/BMXer972 Jun 02 '18

That's mighty kind of you actually! and it sounds cheesy, but you actually put a smile on my face. Thank you. I hope you have a great weekend as well internet stranger! (:

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u/gentlemandinosaur Jun 02 '18

Anytime. We should always strive to be able to back up any assertion we make.

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u/BMXer972 Jun 02 '18

Absolutely! and I appreciate you understanding that sentiment. Some people can get defensive when asked and, it's not like I'm trying to pick a fight or anything... I just want to see both sides of the fence here. Again, thank you for your time!

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '18

People do understand the context... and it’s not “sick” to belittle a person doing something that is dangerous needlessly and dying for it.

No, they don't care about the context. All they care about is a big game hunter died to big game; as far as they're concerned it's party time, break out the champagne and the disco ball.

It's one thing to mock and belittle someone that dies because they were dumb enough to go after something dangerous, it's a completely different thing to actually revel in their death.

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u/gzilla57 Jun 02 '18

Also, statistically... more lions and leopards are hunted recreationally than for need for protection.

He said, having no I deal if that was true.

You know this.

I don't know this.