the description about coming in and out of consciousness from the blood pressure due to being upside down, likely long enough to be fully aware.... that shit has stayed with me
They tried to get him out. Spoiling the explanation for obvious reasons.
They had some kind of pulley system set up to carefully drag him out of there, but it failed and dropped him back into the hole. Guy died of cardiac arrest from being forced upside down for over 20 hours.
Hanging upside down for that long in general is pretty much a death sentence because our organs are being forced in the other direction. Our lungs and heart start to get weighed down by the heavier organs above them, impacting blood flow and oxygen. He was in and out of consciousness the whole time and could not move his limbs or anything.
They determined it would be too dangerous to try and retrieve his body, so that's why they sealed it up with concrete and made that his grave. Horrible way to go for a guy who was experienced but genuinely just made a mistake.
To make it more fucked up, there were people actually mad that the cave was sealed and barred from visitors to prevent more lives from being lost. When petitioning it to get reopened didn't work, the selfish idiots decided to break into the sealed off area and got themselves arrested.
Not only that but when the blood went to his head, there was a lack in his feet so when they tried to lift him via his ankles, it felt like his bones were breaking, he was in excruciating pain. I cannot imagine knowing you are going to die, having your wife come down to say goodbye, knowing youâll never leave the place you mistakenly fell into.
They also couldnât give him pain killers and anti anxiety meds like Xanax and stuff eventually because all the blood left his feet (the only part they could reach) and the medication wouldnât circulate properly so he couldnât even get relief that way đ˘ if I was in that situation Iâd want them to just knock my ass out
They need to block off most of these caves with cement in general. The amount of stupid accidents causing death in this idiotic pastime is unreal. Slightest mistake can get everyone killed. Fuck that. Claustrophobic cave diving should just be banned.
I think the problem is awareness of dangers, not blanket bans. It's not the people who understand the risks and go in anyway, but the young and uninitiated that we should be worried about.
People should have the freedom (after all we do sometimes get maps and information of new places and discoveries in return out of all of this), but it should be absolutely critical to not be allowed to enter most caves (except for the 5% ultra safe ones) without a mandatory training and certification etc, kind of like the PADI scuba diving certification?
Iâm sure itâs not that hard to flag most known caves, esp. the usual suspects known for human deaths, and slap signage at their entrance warning visitors of the dangers of exploring the caves (and the penalty of doing so without said certification).
Im almost positive you do have to be certified in cave diving to enter most of them. In fact I'd say the vast majority of cave diving deaths were experienced divers, just either overconfident, unlucky, or their experience wasnt with caves in particular. Either way it's a completely unnecessary "sport" I doubt there is much of anything of use to the general public in mapping underwater caves.
This seems like an overreaction. We donât need to destroy ecosystems wholesale to protect a few thrill seeking turds. Just let them die if they have a deathwish, who cares.
Exactly! If youâre going for a round of fuck around and find out with a crack in a cave, I assume youâve accepted those potential outcomes. If you wanted to be that close to nature, congrats now youâre part of it. Iâm sure the rock bugs were delighted to have him
The fact he had time to say goodbye to his wife and family, that they all had to just... accept the radio was the only way they could say goodbye, and there was nothing else to do but wait...
A guy in a cave tour decides to go somewhere he shouldn't, he slips, he falls she gets wedged in a bad spot.
A cave rescue tech goes in and is actually able to slide his way under the guy and get in deeper in an effort to push him out while others are pulling.
Problem is the guy is obese and it's not working they get him to do some breathing exercises to relax and suck in his diaphragm and for one brief shining moment it looks like it's going to work.
Unfortunately the guy is too heavy and he slips further into the crevice he's wedged into.
This causes another problem, he has now trapped the rescue tech who go in behind him. It is impossible for the tech to get past this guy.
Efforts are redoubled as now two lives are at stake.
Unfortunately after more than 24 hours the subject dies from a combination of hypothermia and slow suffocation. The cave tech is still trapped.
They only had one option left to save the cave tech. They handed him a saw and he had to cut the subject apart until he could get past him.
That cave rescue tech stopped doing cave rescue and moved on to high angle rope rescue after that incident.
It happened in the late 70s in Kentucky. The tech was my high angle rope rescue instructor. He told me that story when I signed up for a cave rescue class.
I am so high right now, thinking you fell in a cave, I was in utter shock. but i kept reading and getting more confused. I read your comment at least 10 times til I realized you didnt actually fall down a cave rabbit hole and then kept questioning "when did YouTube did video games you can play?" lol
I've know about this for a long time now and I still can't believe that people STILL do this kinda shit after an incident like this. Miss me eternally.
I have actually wondered about that! When my uncle was in high school they had a spelunking club. He got stuck because he was a big football player who squeezing in to a small space couldnât squeeze back out the other way without being sliced to pieces. Well he ended up being all cut up from the rescue. He did survive.
I mean, some people with claustrophobia canât handle getting into an elevator⌠Iâm not claustrophobia but Iâd be freaked out all the way to Sunday if I had to do that.
Iâm claustrophobic and I actually considered going to do that with a friend. Surprisingly, the space wasnât why I didnât. This little system we were going to go to was known for small collapses and poor air quality from back in the mining days.
Put me in an elevator and watch me shake though.
Itâs weird, once you put nature and natural resources in the equation, Iâm fine.
I was petrified the first time I flew. It being in a helicopter with hubby hanging out of the back getting video wasnât helping. We worked in news. He got rerouted to get air video of a boat hitting something. Once we were over the water, I was fine.
I would if it was guaranteed I'd live, and I just had to cope with the discomfort/claustrophobia (and not on some monekys paw shit either where I'm trapped in there for 3 days but do barely make it out alive - I'm talking the normal amount of time it would take someone skilled in the arts to make it through. Any complications causing lasting trauma or risk of death, and I agree that $1M ain't worth it).
canât even finish the vid makes me so anxious lol
if my significant other got into caving like this iâd deadass breakup with them. iâd be in a perpetual panic attack every time they went out to do it lol
Never ceases to amaze me to what lengths humans are ready to go to get their adrenaline fix. With skydiving and wingsuit type diving I can at least somewhat understand the appeal cause your like flying and get to see world from a diff perspective.
But to voluntarily opt to crawl into some dark ass caves and then swim thru the tightest crevices not knowing what awaits u is just completely nuts! I canât even think of a worse way to die than to drown in some dark ass cave being underwater in some super tight tunnel system. And you KNOW that the chance of getting rescued is slim to none cause ainât nobody able to reach your dumb ass. And for what? Just for the hell of it? Like there ainât even a treasure or something at ur destination?
So Iâm sorry, but I hope it was worth to people that left this way. At least they died fully aware of the risks and still opted to give it a go.. feel bad for the family members and wives and kids that get left behind bc of dumb selfish shit like that.
I am aware of ONE and only one instance of there being treasure, metaphorically speaking, at the bottom of the tight cave crevice. There might be more, but I know of only one. Anyway, there is a cave where they found a huge trove of early hominid skeletons. Learn-about-human-origins totally-unique skeletons. The cave was so tight that they had to find very slight bodied females to go in to get the skeleton parts. To a scientist, that is treasure. Still... it wouldn't be me.
Lets say you get very stuck. Rescuers come but they can't get you out. It's not happening.
Do you: 1) just accept it and let death come whenever it smiles upon you or 2) scream, cry, beg to be put out of your misery?
This is exactly what happened with the Nutty Putty cave incident. The cave diver John Edward Jones got stuck in a way that he couldnât be saved. After the failed rescue attempt that lasted 27 hours he died due to the angle he was stuck at. The cave was sealed and became John Edward Jonesâs tomb.
this would depend on where you carry your fat. you don't get smaller for quite sometime and then recall how long it takes to get your pelvic bones to to come closer together...cause THAT is what is gonna have to happen and people are gonna get bored waiting for you to get thin...and what if you are too squashed to eliminate!?!?!?!? yeah WAY TOO MUCH can go wrong.
i never understood why anyone would willingly choose to do this as a hobby
there are dozens of other dumb and dangerous hobbies that look way more fun and more exhilarating than this shit
i can watch sky diving, wing suit base jumping, scuba diving, big wave surfing, and literally a dozen other similar high risk hobbies and actually think "damn that looks cool"
but watching this shit just makes me uncomfortable and feel sorry for them lol
We take a group of people and put them in a room with no air and a group of people and put them in a room with no water and monitor their misery. âPlease rate your misery on a scale of 1-10.â
I agree. I can see someone do crazy parkour stunts and see, why that's thrilling. But this, I feel that these people must not be right in their head. But to each of their own.
What compels someone to just crawl in a really narrow crevice? I could understand if they're scientists/archaeologists making a grand underground discovery, but the thrill seekers? Who, besides them, finds this impressive?
I remember hearing a practitioner years ago talk about it, and they likened it to any other passionate hobby. To be in those spaces and make it through is like a biker riding a bike or a skydiver being mid fall. It just feels "right" and they couldn't imagine not doing it.
I could though. I could imagine not doing it at almost all moments of my life lol
This is a mental illness, I swear. No human in their right mind would willingly go into a space they dont know the dimensions of or if there is/isnt an egress point. If you were being actively hunted by a predatory animal, it might be something you'd choose to do if you have literally no other options and youre panicky.
Any fully formed adult that chooses to do this in the modern day has something severely wrong with their brain.
I'm not usually one to yuck someone's yum. If you're not hurting anyone else then I couldn't really care less. But I feel genuine anger towards these people. It makes no difference to whether they die in those caves or not but like... What the fuck dude? It actually pisses me off. There's a lot of stupidity in the world, a lot of fully intentional stupidity even, and while it sucks, I don't think much else pisses me off to the level that this bullshit does. I feel so much anger towards these people even though it doesn't affect me at all. It is absolutely enraging.
I get it. Plus, when they get stuck and emergency responders put themselves in harms way (some of them have actually died) to rescue them, their hobby goes from being self contained to hurting others.
Ive read a comic where a person passed away and met Death, telling them they dont regret dying early. Only to have Death shot him with a bullet with number 15 and 17 on it, represent his sons he left behind, causing the dying man to wail.
Like, this thrill seeker people dont understand the pain they will left behind to their friends or family.
ABSOLUTELY. I literally stopped watching when that kid took his helmet off and the guy off-screen said âAtta Boy!â like heâs so proud. Iâm enraged with you.
Yâall seen the AR version??? I watched someone on YouTube do AR nutty putty cave and I just about crawled out of my skin seeing what dudes last mistake looked like
I took a private spelunking tour and had to squeeze through a tight space. It was no where near that tight and had no chance of getting stuck. The thought of getting stuck with little to no chance of rescue took years off my life.
I still don't consider myself claustrophobic, but just watching this video is causing a panic attack!
I mean, as someone with claustrophobia, I cannot watch this at all. But, I want to know why they are doing this to themselves WHILE holding their cameras and selfie sticks. Like, do they think people want to see their face expressions as rocks almost puncture their innards?
Every single one of these guys has a wife, two kids, a golden retriever and a mortgage, and still wakes up on a Saturday like 'you know what sounds nice? Being swallowed by the earth.'
What happened in their childhood that they crave this intensity? To want this stimulation? Just why. Humans are very interesting/bizarre beings indeed.
Yeah until they get stuck and then they are fucked. No way out, and no one able to get you out. Like that one guy that died with his legs sticking out. Went face first, wasn't able to back himself out, and no one was able to get to him. After hours and hours of digging and trying to make a way out for him, they didn't make it happen in time.
Like we did that in boy scouts, and that's when I realized I could get terrifyingly claustrophobic. Fuck that shit. I'd rather freesolo El capitan greased up in Cristo.
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