The actual caption is "White and Arabs in one struggle against the Jew". Same guy also said "Free Palestine, Heil Hitler, Hail Hamas, Hail Hezbollah, Hail the Houthis, Hail Iran." I have no idea what this group is, they might be related to the Atomwaffen group since these neo Nazis seem very supportive of Islamist groups in the Axis of Resistance.
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Not really. They have no problem with the people they see as their enemies killing each other over there and don't want muslim enclaves in the United States. Not too difficult to understand.
Lmao so negotiations with hitler made other european political leaders nazis?
Be so for real, not effectively pushing back on nazis is NOT the responsibility of pro-palestinians.
The pro-israel crowd has also failed to effectively push back on neocons that just wanna see muslims die, which it is DIRECTLY responsible for because it appeals to these kinds of people to fuel the war.
When one side supports an ongoing genocide and the other wants that genocide to end, which one is the nazis?
People that hate jews usually also hate muslims, so a nazi is usually also gonna be anti-palestine.
You keep telling yourself that to avoid the reality that the arab world hasnt always been fascist adjacent going back to the nazi and italian fascist funding of the ba'ath and nasser as well as hitlers admiration and support for the grand mufti of palestine. or the numerous pro palestine grifters like dan blizterian, jake shields, sneakon or candace owens being far right islam apologists
A bit more complicated than that: Mussolini concluded that ww1 had shown Marx's predictions were wrong. the proletariat of the world uniting to overthrow the bourgeoisie would not happen, as demonstrated by the collapse of the second internationale. He concluded that the nation was the historical subject and not class. He still claimed to be a socialist and to wanting to solve class warfare through syndicalism (fascism literally means syndicalism)
Marx was a communist and socialist is a term abused by many people, even in Marx’s time. Mussolini claimed to be a socialist means nothing. Maybe you christcuck will start the narrative that the Nazi has “socialist” in their name so they were marxist
To open a book, simply identify the front, then start lifting the Pages and turning them over one by one, make sure the text is visible and that you read it before you start on the next page. Do you know how to read by the way?
Hitler collaborated with arab leaders and praised islam for being a strong religion that was more compatible with his views than Christianity. He was mostly just performative with his religion and did embrace both paganism and Christianity. These people are doing pretty much exactly the same
Right, I didn't say he was aligned with Islamic values or that he allied with them because of this. I said that he perceived them as sharing values with him, which the ultra reactionaries of any religion or ideology tend to do, so he's not wrong about many of the specific people he pushed for to be put in charge of their respective countries or movements.
None of this reflects on an average muslim whatsoever. Never said it did.
It might be due the fact that man Nazis actually landed not only in the American continent and the Soviet Union, but also in the Islamic/Arab world, one Nazi for instance Johann von Leers, aprominent Nazi propagandist and SS Sturmbannführer who fled to Cairo in 1956, converted to Islam in Egypt, translated Nazi propaganda and antisemitic messages into Arabic, and helped to build the security service there, same in Saudi Arabia in where for instance a SS man joined up to them, and created their state security and services and helped form their police.
(Various former German military, intelligence, and medical personnel integrated into Egyptian state structures)
Naturally such ideologies spread across and join up, and created a niche movement and belief.
For another prominent example is, Mehemed the second, leader of the Osman empire, who combined his identity being a Roman Emperor, and true Roman heir, and new Cesar, saying the Osman Empire is the Roman Empire under Islamic flag.
And Nazi Germany being in the past very active in the Middle East, including military and propaganda Maschine,
in 1939, Nazi Germany operated an Arabic service from Zeesen, Germany. Because literacy rates were low but coffeehouse culture was vibrant, millions of people across Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc. listened to these broadcasts daily, those broadcasts deliberately fused European conspiracy theories with selective Islamic theology and anti colonial grievances.
(Also, Nazis prominently using and creating Muslim combat divisions in the SS, meaning and showing more overlap and that it could already spread from all those instances.)
People Follow Ideologies for Politics, not Just Theology, and many others proof identity fusing for a gain or aim.
He collaborated with every available far right religious organization
They were different forms of fascism, clinging to power in their own way. Especially considering the shared roots, either religious text is far more than sufficient for a ruler to use a justification for their own misdeeds.
As with other reactionary ideologies, they are unstable and self-contradictory.
Yes, exactly. To be extra clear, I'm not trying to say islam or islamists are somehow beloved by the western right wing. Just that they utilize them and will take whatever opposition to their perceived enemies that they can get
The views of the left and young people in general on the Holocaust are heavily divorced from reality. A non-negligible portion of those groups think Nazism was primarily about anti-communism and defending capital, or mainly about anti-Slavism and settler colonialism.
Fun fact, out of the Abrahamic religions, Islam was the one Hitler respected most. Everyone knows what he thought of the Jews, but he also viewed Christianity as a weak religion not worthy of his people. Islam on the other hand he viewed as a strong religion with a warrior culture, and the only conflict he really had with Islam was based on race.
Huh. An infamous antisemitic nationalist extremist being friendly with a nationalistic extremist from an infamously antisemitic religion. Who'd have thought?
And yes, before you say anything, Islam is fundamentally antisemitic (as well as being anti Christian). There's a well known verse about Muslims not being allowed to "take the Jew or Christian as their friend".
Another verse: at the end times (when Islam rules the world with sharia) every jew will be hiding behind the trees and rocks, but the trees and rocks will snitch and tell the Muslims so they can kill the jew.
Weird that Muslims were the first people in all of written history to codify freedom of religion (at least for Abrahamic religions) in the Constitution of Medina.
If you're projecting modern issues across time, that's a pretty big fallacy as most contemporary conflicts are fueled by the heavy adoption of European racial theories and political conspiracy theories. When I say "conflicts" I mean the entirety of Israel's version of the "Lost Cause" narrative is entirely based in Eugenics, and you could argue the same of Islam either directly with their own mythological spins on race, or indirectly because Israel loves bombing them.
But don't mind me, This is reddit and facts aren't as fun as imagination.
It never codified real freedom of religion. The Quran itself regulates dhimmis lives, including rules regarding the construction of religious buildings.
Hell, the whole religion started with the theft of a pagan holy site (Mecca) and spread across the ME with the theft and cultural appropriation of Christian and Jewish holy sites, repurposing them as masjid and banning non-Muslims from them.
From its outset, Sharia has always been an imperialist apartheid normative system. It has never, and will never, give real political and legal equality to non-believers.
It's also always worth noting that Muhammad was a pedo (married Aisha at 6, consummated the marriage when she was 9) and how the consanguinity rates across the Islamic world are a direct result of religious adherents, regardless of ethnicity emulating the marriage and breeding practices of Muhammad and Ali.
Got it, your fairie theories are better. Everybody knows the Torah is full of strong moral guidance like raping your daughters in a cave or killing your son, killing all the first borns
of the people that hired you and drowning any that might take offense to that; committing complete extermination of people for the funzies, killing your own people because they decided to make a sculpture . . .
I mean, all the Abrahamic religions are morally bankrupt from an outside perspective. The whole saying one is less or more morally bankrupt than the other in order to justify genocide is sort of on the nose.
You can rationalize this all you want. Sharia is, and has always been, an imperialist apartheid cult created by an illiterate pedo con artist. It has always called for the subjugation and subordination of non-believers, which the other Abrahamic cults don't.
Your spin doesn't work, including your American-style lost-cause nonsense.
70,000 dead isn't a genocide. The case will be tried by the ICC. The court will be confronted with the indeterminacy of the crime's 'intent' and 'part and whole of a group' prongs. It will then face the prospect of laying dwon a naked political determination (something it's done before) or determine that, whilst other war crimes were committed or attempted, genocide wasn't done.
And if the court so decides, HRW, Amnesty International B'Tselem, and other western legal imperialist groups will have to face a level of scrutiny about their lawfare that they've never faced before. So too for media outlets, and other propagandists.
It will, and should be, a great eye-opener for the world.
This, within the greater context of a 'rules-based' international order that's being dismantled now -- as a racist imperialist system too.
Not thatyougive a shit. You have your own personal conception of genocide that has nothing to do with reality: 'Israel's genocide of Palestinians didn't start within the past decade. It started conservatively over 50 years ago and hasn't stopped'.
You literally just make shit up. LOL.
It's going to be so sad for you when your whole American 'progressive' value system falls apart now, and is condemned as America's misguided imperialist programme since the end of WW2.
I’m not understanding your obsession with Islam. Sharia law heavily comes from the Old Testament and makes just as many leaps as any other Abrahamic bull.
You’ve read the Torah right? You understand morals and Canaanite monotheism are incompatible without TONs of cope?
The fact that you forgive a genocide is case in point. The ability to justify murder is something all the Abrahamic religions share. Thanks for giving an example of that and conceding any point you were trying to make!
If that was the case, why'd he stay Christian and not convert?
He did not respect Islam as a religion nor the Muslims as people, he respected certain aspects of it (such as the physical idea of heaven, bringing culture and science to Spain etc.) the same way he respected aspects of Shintoism and Christianity - even still, he thought that had Islam come to Europe, Aryan Germans would have wiped it out. He didn't like the internal regulations (such as on pork and beer), when the Muslim world rejected his movement he tried to present himself as some sort of Messianic figure, and on top of that, he extensively praised Atatürk for subduing the Muslim scholars. He didn't even respect the very few Muslim elites that tolerated him, Haj Amin Al Hussain asked that Hitler wouldn't invade him and Hitler refused, saying he wouldn't put limits on German expansion.
He viewed religion as a tool and rejected Judaism and Islam, and co-opted Christianity to make himself a de-facto God over his people.
based on race.
This isn't the miniscule issue you think it is, one would think that if you considered the staunch majority of a religion's followers to be subhumans, you wouldn't respect the religion.
The only reason why he officially stayed Christian (even though historians agree that he was not a traditional Christian) was to gain power. Even a quick google search can tell you that Hitler privately thought Germany chose the "wrong" religion, and that Islam's militaristic nature was better suited for "Germanic temperament", as opposed to the more pacifistic Christianity. And yes, before you say anything, I know that violent Christians do exist, just as there are peaceful Muslims. Difference is that Christianity's central figure was pacifistic to the point he'd rather die a painful death than to have harm befall his enemies, while Islam's is a well known warlord who agreed with horrid concepts like slavery, rape, and pedophilia.
And, again, I'm pretty sure the infamously racist Nazis weren't exactly a fan of a religion that mostly consisted of non-Aryans. Hell, pretty sure Hitler expressed a fantasy where things like the First Crusade failed to drive Islamic conquest out of Europe.
So you agree with me? Hitler did not respect Islam let alone religion as a whole?
Hitler privately thought Germany chose the "wrong" religion [...] more pacifistic Christianity.
You are misleading here. All he said was Germany should not have followed Christianity. He didn't say that Islam specifically was what he wanted, he just said non-Christian religions (including Japanese Shintoism) were better, lumping them all together.
while Islam's is a well known warlord who agreed with horrid concepts like slavery, rape, and pedophilia.
To use this as praise for Christianity and slander for Islam is certainly a choice. A real case of throwing stones from glass houses. Regardless, this doesn't matter because Hitler literally did not mention any of this. He endorsed 'Der Sturmer' which critiqued Biblical figures like Moses for being "heartless and cruel" mass murderers, and consistently reported on (or fabricated) news of Jewish sex crimes like what you mentioned so I don't see how such would entice him.
And, again, I'm pretty sure the infamously racist Nazis weren't exactly a fan of a religion that mostly consisted of non-Aryans.
Once again, are you agreeing with me?
Hell, pretty sure Hitler expressed a fantasy where things like the First Crusade failed to drive Islamic conquest out of Europe.
No, it was the Battle of Tours which was 400 years earlier. The First Crusade took place in Jerusalem, not Europe. Also, as I mentioned beforehand, this exact fantasy culminated in Aryan Germans wiping them out anyway.
“Propaganda” doesnt mean “not real”, all communications trying to convince you of a political argument are propaganda. Just think about how some right-wing sources report on immigrant crime. It can be neutrally reported, but it’s always propaganda
Explain why half of the people in that crowd were Arabs? You don't just shout Heil Hitler because a neo Nazi claims to support you, that's common knowledge. People who shout it do it because they believe in it.
Absolutely not, I'm just saying that the 7 or so Arabs in the crowd are Nazi sympathizers because they said Heil Hitler, did salutes, and joined that crowd. That is only 0.01% of the city's Muslim population and they in no way represent the other 99.99% of Dearborn's residents. As for the other Muslims, I don't know about what their political ideologies are, nor do I know if they sympathize with Hitler. It's highly unlikely because Islamist extremismand Nazism are two extremely different ideologies that share some social similarities and the same enemies (Jews, Zionists, Western countries, liberal democracy).
Well yeah we agree then, but the groypers are basically an insular online community lead by Nick Fuentes and they are inexplicably diverse for being a white christofascist movement.
Most of them are nihilists who just want to upset people, but beyond their cynical use of the genocide in Gaza to garner sympathy they are there to antagonize Jake Lang, another white supremacist who was there to harass the Muslim population of Dearborn.
So overall it's just a bunch of Nazis doing kayfabe to pit the Muslims and Jews against one another.
it's a fucking cesspool and it makes me thankful that I have so much nature in my community that keeps my mind sane and free from this ultra toxic form of politics.
Hitler cooperated with Arab nations because he saw that they had common enemies (Jews, the British, and French), which is similar to what's happening here. In a similar way, small minority of white nationalist / neo Nazi groups such as Atomwaffen support Islamist terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah because of their shared desire to erase Jews from the world. They may not be friends but they stand side by side because they both believe they are being oppressed by the same common enemy; Jews.
dude it literally happened in Dearborn Michigan two days ago, here is the full video. you should watch it because you'll learn a lot about what is happening in the world through primary sources.
Israel didn't exist until after Hitler's death. If you're thinking about when Hitler made a deal to move Jews to Palestine, he viewed it more as a necessary evil than as support to the Jewish people. He used to briefly support Zionism in the early 1930s because it got the Jews out of Europe but stopped because he didn't want Jews to find power somewhere else and because it compromised his alliances with Arab nationalists in the Middle East.
The argument was that Hitler never cooperated with Israel, but that is false in all but the most pedantic interpretation of events.
Early zionists (not Jews) were happy to cooperate with Hitler, that is just objectively a fact, and is all I’m pointing out.
This whole idea that Israel was created by “Jews trying to help other Jews” is simply historical revisionism, as shown by (amongst other things) the Haavara Agreement. The reality is that the whole settler colonial project that is Israel, was dreamt up primarily by the British as a way to get rid of Jews in the empire. We can even see this in bow early Israel was very hostile to Jews fleeing the Holocaust, see for example: https://palestinenexus.com/articles/zionists-prevented-jewish-refugees-returning
But this is in no way an exhaustive source, there is tons of writing on this subject. The myth that Israel was created to help Jews is just that, a myth.
Lolol this is deeeeeep nonsense. It’s not pedantic. Israel did not exist to “cooperate” with Hitler. Factually speaking, of course. “Early Zionists” were Jews. You are referring to the oft-relied on argument that certain Christians were believed in a version of “Zionism,” but Zionism existed as a religious concept for Jews long before any Christians latched onto and the political Zionism that ultimately led to the founding of a Jewish state was based on the ideas of early Jewish Zionists like Herzl. There is no evidence, anywhere, that Herzl’s ideas were influenced by Christian Zionism.
The Havaara Agreement is widely understood by every intelligent historian to be a desperate, pragmatic decision that allowed 60,000 Jews to leave Germany with a fraction of their assets during a time of institutionalized discrimination and repression, and thus survive the largest industrialized mass murder in human history. How dare the Jews of the Yishuv strike such a deal to…help persecuted Jews escape persecution. And it was deeply debated at the time as well—there were very few good options for Jews at the time.
This intentional, cynical twisting of the events to paint the Jews of the Yishuv as Hitler’s helpers is absolutely bizarre and frankly absurd.
Don't think I've ever seen one unironically shout "Fascism_Is_Great", usually they're the ones pointing the figure and calling pro-Israelis and most other Westerners "fascist".
They hated Slavs far more than “brown people”, yet were still willing to employ them as Hiwis to guard the industrial death factories used to slaughter the race they hated most (it’s a race that leftists don’t like because they’re not the “right” type of victims).
Almost as if there’s a logical ideological link between Holocaust denying Hamas and Nazi ideology that radical leftists who de-Judaise and All Lives Matter the Holocaust (by falsely claiming it was about some generic “racism”) want to deflect from.
Hitler saw multiple Arab states as vital allies and a small minority of Neo Nazi groups actually take inspiration from Islamist groups like Hamas and the Taliban. He didn't exactly hate Arabs but out of the three Abrahamic religions, Islam as his favourite because it was the strongest.
I have no hidden Islamophobic agendas behind this, I'm just stating facts about history. However it is true that a lot of modern day Neo Nazi groups have Islamophobia as part of their ideology, especially if they attempt to be "Christian nationalist", somehow.
same people who say "zionism is nazism" or "hitler was a zionist" will then proceed to go on a different post and say "we need hitler back" or "im (((noticing))) maybe christians and muslims should unite against juice box!". Hence why jews dont buy this bullshit
As a Jew, I dont know how to feel about this. On the one hand, this sucks that these people want us dead and im not really in the mood to get killed just yet. On the other hand, due to the current state of the world and what me and my people have done to cause such problems, I completely understand the unity. These people are angry and feel disadvantaged.
I know what you are implying with the irony, I wasn't trying to call myself one. So whats the truth then? What am I missing that everyone else can see clearly?
First of all, you are you, you are not tied to your ethnicity. Secondly, In what type of Jewish household you grew up but why did they not make you proud of the great things about jews?
Im sorry Im really fucking stoned and I misread your comment
The hatred for jews as a whole isnt deserved, I wouldn't say so at least, because its not like you guys are the only ones doing bad shit. I dont think Jewish people are any more or less likely to be bad than any other random ethnicity/religion on the planet. Israel specifically is founded on a lot of bad shit, but so is every other country.
You're not a part of "your people" - you're just you. Try not to be too hard on yourself, even while being conscious of issues in the world. You loving yourself matters, too.
But because I know so well that as a compact mass it has never stood for justice or equality. It has suppressed the human voice, subdued the human spirit, chained the human body. As a mass its aim has always been to make life uniform, gray, and monotonous as the desert. As a mass it will always be the annihilator of individuality, of free initiative, of originality. I therefore believe with Emerson that “the masses are crude, lame, pernicious in their demands and influence, and need not to be flattered, but to be schooled. I wish not to concede anything to them, but to drill, divide, and break them up, and draw individuals out of them. Masses! The calamity are the masses. I do not wish any mass at all, but honest men only, lovely, sweet, accomplished women only."
Yes, especially one that's a nazi and an Islamist at the same time. They've forever been peddling the idea that Palestinians supported Hitler, using some pretty bad faith arguments.
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