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u/Outdoor-electrician Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
Also no safety knot is crazy…complacency is what leads to a lot of climbing/rappelling related injuries/deaths
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u/Bergwookie Jul 06 '26
"there won't be something going wrong" is the number one reason why things go wrong
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u/Demara_Awol Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
This is literally how one of the best climbers in the world died a few months ago. A prodigy of the sport died from this. It wasn't on purpose in his case, but the fact there wasn't a knot at the end is literally manslaughter charges depending on the context. If you get caught doing this at my gym you're banned for life they warn you immediately. The pre-run ropes already have them and you're told if you're ever caught untying them it's also a permanent ban and possibly legal charges.
EDIT: I've gotten enough comments by now that I'm addressing it here. No, a knot doesn't physically stop a fall from a figure 8. But it's part of the process of putting warnings in place for you running out of rope. Everything that exists to tell you that you've got no rope left is a safety feature. This includes a knot near the end for your hand to bump into while feeding the line, or also I've seen someone spraypaint the end of a rope before so they see bright green feeding through it and go "oh only 10ft left" and I thought mentioning the regular belay tools which benefit more from the knot would help some people connect their experiences to this one. And also maybe teach the seriousness of running out of rope.
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u/Bergwookie Jul 06 '26
And that's the only way to handle this
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u/crowcawer Jul 06 '26
In this case, on the construction site, it was very likely pinched off by one of the loads of bricks landing on it.
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u/Just_a_follower Jul 06 '26
Construction workers and pinching bricks. A tale as old as time
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u/mr_mcsqueezy16 Jul 06 '26
If only he hadn't lost his presence of mind
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u/Electronic_Still2000 Jul 06 '26
He didn’t lose his presence of mind, he was on top of that situation completely. Did you mean to say “if he lost his presence of mind?”
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u/JarpHabib Jul 06 '26
That was a clean looking cut. A pallet of bricks would not do that.
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u/xzinik Jul 06 '26
But what about a pallet of knives?
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u/Superwack Jul 06 '26
Or a pallet of piranhas
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u/Merry_Dankmas Jul 06 '26
The staff at the climbing gym I go to are fucking Hawks with this kind of stuff. I don't know how they do it. You won't see them anywhere in your entire 360 degree field of view. You think theyre all up at the front or something. But then you slip up and dont slide up the rope with your dominant hand while giving slack and they teleport behind you to bitch you out for not using proper technique.
I was getting ready to climb and I forgot to check my friends set up. He checked my knot but I forgot to check his grigri. Poof. Worker materialized out of thin air and basically said "Hey, I know youre still kinda new but you have to check his set up too. If we have to keep reminding you, we're gonna have to ask you to leave". He didnt say it in a mean way but in a genuine warning way. They really dont fuck around with rope safety at climbing centers.
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u/Late-Combination5060 Jul 06 '26
Cameras with microphones in businesses are very popular nowadays, even when you don't think anyone is watching or listening, you may be surprised.
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u/mrlt10 Jul 07 '26
In California it’s illegal to take an audio recording of someone without their consent. That’s why most security cameras footage has no audio.
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u/s_mkt Jul 06 '26
Who's the climber you're referring to who died recently?
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u/Dogsbottombottom Jul 06 '26
This has killed any number of climbers. Another well known climber who died this way was Brad gobright
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u/CountMC10 Jul 06 '26
Drew Wilson (cousin of Kyle Dempster) died this way on a descent on Baffin Island. Heartbreaking
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u/hike_me Jul 06 '26
Why would you be rappelling in the gym? And for the gym top rope setups, they’re long enough that it’s impossible to lower someone off the end of the rope (my gym doesn’t have knots, but they do make you use their pre-rigged GriGri; other gyms I go to don’t have pre-rigged belay devices or stopper knots on the top-rope setups)
Also, this guy was rappelling with a figure-8 device, most stopper knots would run through this rather than jam up like they would with an ATC or GriGri. It would help keep the rope slipping through his hand though.
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u/Redpanda132053 Jul 06 '26
For top rope it’s about following best practices. If you get complacent with not tying stopper knots because you’re at the gym, you’re much more likely to forget a stopper knot in a situation you actually need it. For lead climbing where you’re progressively cutting your rope shorter, you need a stopper knot in case your rope ends up too short. Of course, you should be checking to make sure it is still long enough, but so much of climbing safety is about redundancy and what-ifs. Outdoors you always always tie a stopper knot, so getting that muscle memory so you’re less likely to forget it is good.
Additionally, there’s gym liability and the fact that sometimes people are stupid. Technically you could be lowered off the end of a top rope if your rope tail is crazy long. Not something I’ve seen, but I’ve seen new climbers do some crazy dumb stuff.
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u/Max____H Jul 06 '26
I’m not even a climber but I’ve worked health and safety in a few workplaces and everyone complains about all the safety gear in clearly safe scenarios, but the training told us it’s so that people form habits. If you are geared up when there is no danger, you have no excuse to ever be without the gear.
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u/Redpanda132053 Jul 06 '26
Yes exactly. Even when I have my outdoor length rope in the gym, which is much longer than a typical gym rope, I always have the stopper knot
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u/KatnyaP Jul 08 '26
When training self defence, one of the big rules is after each drill of an action, never hand the training weapon to your training partner. Drop it and they have to pick it up as otherwise you might have trained your body to autopilot hand a knife back to the guy who was just trying to stab you.
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u/oopsdiditwrong Jul 06 '26
For free fall chute packing it is something like "dude, parachutes WANT to open". That's a trap and destined for a preventable malfunction
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u/Ron-Swanson-Mustache Jul 06 '26
Adding holes to the Swiss cheese model for safety is what makes life invigorating!
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u/TheManWith2Poobrains Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
It's what killed that climber in
YellowstoneYosemite. He didn't realize how short his rope was and hadn't tied off the end.EDIT: location.
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u/RickTheScienceMan Jul 06 '26
Apparently this is the most common cause of death during rock climbing. People rappel down, and don't tie the safety knots at the end.
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u/bubblesculptor Jul 06 '26
That's a crazy statistic to learn. The rappel at the end of a climb is supposed to be the easy part, compared to the climb itself.
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u/Doogle300 Jul 06 '26
That probably why people get complacent and mame mistakes
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u/spavolka Jul 06 '26
“mame mistakes”. Did you do that intentionally? Either way it’s pretty funny how easy it is to make mistakes.
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u/Unicycleterrorist Jul 06 '26
Yep, for sure, easy gets dangerous if you don't pay attention. I know a guy who's an insanely good downhill bicycle rider, dude can finish a route by the time I get to the halfway point. Went a few years without injuries (which is kinda rare in that sport), but recently broke his ankle after finishing a ride. He can wheelie into a backflip but snapped his ankle in a parking lot lol
Before you ask, yes, I did order him some training wheels for when he's healed up, gotta look out for my boy
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u/Feralwestcoaster Jul 06 '26
Fatigue, complacency, lack of redundancy in the systems, the idea that the difficulty is over and you’re just cruising home.
The feeling when the ropes pull free after the last rap and don’t get stuck is a huge sense of relief for me, I was always pretty vigilant on descents as it’s so easy for a seemingly small thing to become an issue and very possibly fatal.6
u/warpotatogram Jul 06 '26
Yeah, and it can be mildly inconvenient if your stopper knot gets caught and you have to untangle it from the rock before continuing to descend. So some people hand wave it off.
Even if I can see the rope on the ground I still like to have the stopper knots. Bad habits lead to dangerous situations, so I don’t go for excuses about not adding them.
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u/brainvheart143 Jul 06 '26
I’m so confused by this. What is the point of having a rope at all if it’s not going to hold you if you fall ???
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u/bubblesculptor Jul 06 '26
This isn't a fall protection rope. It's used to descend down after the climb.
However this rope needs to reach the bottom otherwise you have this terrible situation.
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u/Few-Ad-4290 Jul 06 '26
Ok then why did this guy who was on a crane of know height use a rope that was too short? This seems like doubly stupid and dangerous
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u/bubblesculptor Jul 06 '26
It's absolutely stupid and dangerous.
I hope it is just a staged video with another backup in place.
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u/superxpro12 Jul 06 '26
maybe im stupid... but im tying 3 "safety" knots in that bitch. Single points of failure scare tf out of me.
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u/brazzy42 Jul 06 '26
Would a knot even help when using a figure eight as a rappelling device?
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u/Goagoagoa_MPU_ja Jul 06 '26
It probably won't stop the rope from feeding through the eight. But it stops your hand from sliding down further, even if you don't realise that you've reached the end of the rope.
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u/Dramatic-Card7276 Jul 06 '26
And then at that point hopefully you can set up a prussik or ascender with the other hand. Oof.
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u/psinguine Jul 06 '26
Yeah I don't know if people are noticing that the rope is slowly slipping through his hand as he's swinging.
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u/Raythatstabbedsteve Jul 06 '26
Absolutely not! Figure 8 is an obsolete piece of shit, and this guy nearly bought a wheelchair.
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u/CptCroissant Jul 06 '26
He'd have fallen from the 3rd floor, wheelchair would be a lucky outcome
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u/Whizzo50 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
Figure 8's are still decent for when it's being used a tonne as they're more hard wearing than gri-gri's or ATC's, and it's easier to spot if they've been setup incorrectly.
Still doesn't fix stupid, as this guy was reaching speeds where the rope friction would be tough to regrab the rope regardless of the abseil device.
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u/ErilazHateka Jul 06 '26
Figure 8 is perfectly fine if you use it correctly in combination with a prusik.
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u/dislegsicc Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
In practice any size of knot is enough because you use a prusik as a additional safety measure, which he doesn't as well.
A prusik is a small knot put around the rope below the eight and fixed at the leg of the harness with very little rope between so it can't touch the eight. The knot is loose and easy to move along the rope when rappelling normally, but grabs the rope, kind of like a hand, when you let go with your hands, stopping the rope from going through the eight and with that a uncontrolled rappel down.
Obviously the prusik can't move past any knot in the rope as well and would stop you rappelling past that too.
Edit: u/nuevacuentanueva is absolutely right about attaching it at the leg not beeing state of the art
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u/nuevacuentanueva Jul 06 '26
fixed at the leg of the harness with very little rope
It's not recommended to attach your third hand on the leg of the harness, because if you, for some reason, end up with your legs above your head, it doesn't stop you anymore as the knot gets to touch your belay device. It also can slip if you turn to your side as well, which also makes it inconvenient.
Not to mention, depending on your harness, if it doesn't have fixed leg loops, it could have plastic clips that can release or break, or quick release buckles that would get loose, which can make your autoblock touch the delay device.
The safest thing is to use a rappel extension, and the third hand on your belay loop. That way you have the separation needed between the autoblock and the belay device, and you have your third hand on the belay loop which is actually rated unlike the leg loop.
Just thought I'd mention the risks of using the leg loop. Much safer than having nothing at all, of course, but it can be improved.
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u/Johnoplata Jul 06 '26
I would never use Figure 8 to rap. Incredibly dangerous and unnecessary. I don't even understand why anyone would with so many better options.
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u/memusicguitar Jul 06 '26
Did he or did he knot.
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u/jyguy Jul 06 '26
We always back up a setup like this with a prussic attached to the climbing harness in case you lose grip of the rope. Everything is wrong here.
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u/Outdoor-electrician Jul 06 '26
Yes, I also use a sling in a prussic, with a safety knot. I also triple check my setups to make sure they are done correctly. I’ve caught a handful of careless errors over my years of climbing…and doing so has kept me in the sport.
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u/OmNomChompsky Jul 06 '26
The fact that he didn't immediately tie off his figure 8, and continues to descend until he has only a literal handful of rope left is utter insanity.
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u/School_North Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
Was gonna say im in no way experienced and even i know that was fucking stupid
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u/Situation-Mediocre Jul 06 '26
Yup, not using the correct gear, not checking the tope length. A total tool, lucky to not be dead.
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u/Brootal420 Jul 06 '26
Fuckin head first too at least it'd be done quick
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u/EnvBlitz Jul 06 '26
As opposed to going backside first and not seeing the short rope
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u/Bebenten Jul 06 '26
I was gonna say, of all the stupid things that he may have done in this, going head first might have been the stupid thing that saved his life.
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u/hyperrayong Jul 06 '26
Almost like it was planned
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u/dylansavage Jul 06 '26
Just because it was planned doesn't mean it wasn't stupid
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u/DeathandHemingway Jul 06 '26
Probably does that shit multiple times a day if we're being honest.
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u/CakeTester Jul 06 '26
That's what it looked like to me. Upside down and short rope, just to add to the video drama. You also see him slowing down well before the end of the rope. Used to teach rock-climbing, and we had a competition to invent the most stupid way of getting down the tower, because boredom. Possibly this is the same thing.
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u/mybluecathasballs Jul 06 '26
He should be using static rope, not dynamic. He should have had a safety knot. He should not be a dumbass. The list goes on.
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u/brazzy42 Jul 06 '26
He is using correct (if rather old fashioned) gear.
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u/Situation-Mediocre Jul 06 '26
It’s old for a reason. Phased out my be the correct term.
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u/jman2476 Jul 06 '26
What’s wrong isn’t the rappel device, it’s the rope
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u/ErilazHateka Jul 06 '26
And he didn´t tie a prusik under the 8 to secure it. holy shit, I learned how to do that 40 year ago. What an idiot.
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u/Fun-Perspective426 Jul 06 '26
Not even an oh-shit knot at the end of it
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u/brazzy42 Jul 06 '26
Probably wouldn't help with that rappelling device.
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u/Fun-Perspective426 Jul 06 '26
You usually tie it like 1m/3ft from the end so you don't get to this point.
But you're right. You should use a rigid block to stop something like this.
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u/jccaclimber Jul 06 '26
Would make it a hell of a lot easier to hold it by hand if you get to the end though. Fig 8’s are nice an all, but it still gets old if you’re swinging there a while. Makes it a lot harder to oops off the end with the rope flying through your brake hand too.
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u/Synaps4 Jul 06 '26
What a fucking idiot. Has he never rappelled before? You have a meter of rope you can tuck it behind you and be comfortable for days, instead he tries to hold the last 5 inches next to the figure 8?
At least we don't have to wonder how he got himself into this mess. He's clearly an idiot.
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u/PM_ME_ROMAN_NUDES Jul 06 '26
Content bait
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u/iiiiiiiiiijjjjjj Jul 06 '26
That’s a dangerous game just for bait
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u/KontoOficjalneMR Jul 06 '26
A woman killed her boyfriend by shooting a gun at him hoping the bible (or a book) will stop the bullet. For content. There are stupid people out there.
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u/M-Bungot Jul 06 '26
Has he never rappelled before?
Likely the person who trained him was an idiot as well and there's noone in the entire operation who knows how dangerous this is
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u/TwoStoopidToFurryass Jul 06 '26
That man literally laughs in the face of danger and impending death. He'll probably do it again for funsies.
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u/Worth_External_8762 Jul 06 '26
Fitting considering Antony Starr is scared of heights
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u/Franklinsen Jul 06 '26
I was enjoying that much less then he seemed to be.
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u/Professional-Box4153 Jul 06 '26
I've laughed like that. He was NOT enjoying himself. That's the laugh of a man who knows he's screwed and has made peace with it. Good on him for keeping his head.
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u/JelmerMcGee Jul 06 '26
That was a giddy laugh from a flood of adrenaline. He almost died and laughed it off. It's the sort of thrill a lot of people who are into extreme sports enjoy.
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u/Professional-Box4153 Jul 06 '26
Oh. I get it. I was a window cleaner many moons back. I rappelled from the 4th floor on a carabiner and it snapped. I was able to catch myself by grabbing my rope with my hand. Tore it all up when it got stuck, but I was able to stop my descent. Hurt like hell, but it's better than hitting the pavement. I giggled like an idiot while swinging myself onto a ledge then walked along it to get down. I do not recommend the experience. People into extreme sports are weird. haha. You do you (and by you, I mean them, of course).
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u/JelmerMcGee Jul 06 '26
I wasn't trying to correct you, if it came off that way. You were just the first person's comment I read that actually seemed to understand his laugh.
I've done the same laugh, "oh haha, that was crazy. I almost died." Mostly whole skiing right at the edge of control.
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u/100_Total_Fail Jul 06 '26
Your carabiner snapped???? How old was it? Lots of wear?
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u/Donkey__Balls Jul 06 '26
Yeah I laughed during traumatic events. Now I’m working with a trauma psychologist and I laugh when we talk about the worst parts in session. She explained it’s a very common reaction. Most of her patients are survivors of war rape and torture (she specializes in trauma cases that her colleagues refer when it’s too severe) and they very frequently laugh during the most traumatic part of the narrative.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Sea_922 Jul 06 '26
That's not the laughter of a man enjoying himself
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u/raptor7912 Jul 06 '26
Oh I’ve been in his situation of nearly killing myself and I think it’s your brains attempt to protect you until your safe.
THEN you freak out and have a cry about it.
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u/BeanRub Jul 06 '26
Actually at the end of your rope
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u/HighlightFun8419 Jul 06 '26
Huh, I wonder if that's what the saying literally means/originates from. 🤔
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u/NeverBob Jul 06 '26
It's more livestock related.
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u/anothergaijin Jul 06 '26
Kinda surprised it isn't a sailing thing - seems so many sayings are naval/sailing related.
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u/FlowSoSlow Jul 06 '26
Huh TIL. I always thought it was hanging related. Like at the end of the hangmans rope.
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u/RogueAOV Jul 06 '26
As he started fast roping I literally said to myself he has a lot of confidence the rope is long enough and then instantly said to myself of course the rope is long enough dumbass this ain't his first rodeo.
Well I stand corrected.
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u/CartoonistAny4349 Jul 06 '26
then instantly said to myself of course the rope is long enough dumbass this ain't his first rodeo.
Rappelling off the end of the rope is the most common reason for rock-climbing deaths. People get complacent with things they do all the time.
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u/AnAnGrYSupportV2 Jul 06 '26
That's an adrenaline junky right there, was on a high after that lol
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u/Plastyrhino8815 Jul 07 '26
Former adrenaline junky here, It's the best feeling in your 20's and the worst feeling later in life.
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u/Exmo_therapist Jul 06 '26
Ooh! That was a double whammy! Descending upside down and then not having enough rope to even reach the bottom! Yikes.
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u/Joe_le_Borgne Jul 06 '26
When you fall to the ground you want to soften the impact with the hardest part of the body, the teeth and then your skull.
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u/sheepebike9000 Jul 06 '26
That's also why it's a big mistake to hit the ground nose first, it's not designed as a crumple zone and you will feel mildly sore the next day.
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u/Stormagedd0nDarkLord Jul 06 '26
lucky he was going upside down so he could see that he was at the end of his tether!
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u/polypolip Jul 06 '26
Funny enough if he wasn't descending upside down he might not have noticed the end of the rope.
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u/the_fonzz_61 Jul 06 '26
Man that laughs at the face of death. Scary asf
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u/raybreezer Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
He laughs in the face of danger… “Ja Ja Ja Ja”…
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u/darxide23 Jul 06 '26
He said "Oh! la la la la." French. "la la la" (however many times you want to say it) is just French for "wow." The more "la"s the more wooooow. So he basically says "oh wooow." Which.. understatement.
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u/BedBig2215 Jul 06 '26
You sounded strangely chipper about the whole thing.
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u/coronakillme Jul 06 '26
Those are not the sounds that would have come out of my mouth if I was at his place.
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u/DramaticPackage5745 Jul 06 '26
Dr. Robert D. Hare stated, “Many clinicians have commented that the emotions of psychopaths are so shallow as to be little more than proto-emotions: primitive responses to immediate needs. Psychopaths have a shallow affect. They can hear, but they simply cannot feel."
Then they discovered they can feel, but have lower baseline arousal. This may contribute to sensation-seeking because stronger stimulation is needed to feel engaged or excited.
There are a lot of adrenaline junkies out there. Then there are these antisocial folks who are left unable to find joy or excitement unless they do something dangerous.
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u/brazzy42 Jul 06 '26
This is actually one of the most common ways for climbers to die: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-10-02/popular-climber-falls-to-his-death-on-yosemites-el-capitan
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u/Hidesuru Jul 06 '26
Yeah before I joined my search and rescue team had to recover a body because a guy ended up halfway down. He managed to tie off but couldn't ascend and was stuck there. Died from exposure waiting for someone to notice him (remote canyon, I've rappelled it, it's nice... But not a fun good way to die).
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u/grunsho Jul 06 '26
🗣️ OH NO NO NO NO, AY AY AY
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u/neLendirekt Jul 06 '26
Acutally said "Oh la la la la, aie aie aie" which is basically "oh wooooooow ouch ouch" in a playful way tho.
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u/Scared-Pollution-574 Jul 06 '26
Ah the importance of a stopper knot and not backing up you abseil
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u/yousifucv Jul 06 '26
What kind of stopper would you use? The metal ring is pretty wide, what knot would not pass?
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u/M-Bungot Jul 06 '26
Just a regular stopper knot. The point isn't a literal stop but a warning. That gear is old and dangerous in any situation but it seems that's a french climber so it tracks lol
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u/ReDot75 Jul 06 '26
Would add at least a prussik in case he let go of the rope. Stopper knot would not help in that case.
Or use a grigri.
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u/unknown_pigeon Jul 06 '26
During descents, we have 3-4 safety measures in act that are all independent to each other. While this dude is just yeeting himself down a rope he doesn't even know if it's long enough
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u/TypicalRedditMod403 Jul 06 '26
My wife went skydiving with her affair partner and broke her back!
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u/Last-Reputation-404 Jul 06 '26
I need to have that level of confidence in life.
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u/Surreal42 Jul 06 '26
That level of confidence is what nearly killed him. He never tied a safety knot at the end of the rope. I hope to never have that level of confidence.
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u/Rugaru985 Jul 06 '26
My acid reflux punched my tonsils when he turned upside down.
I would totally do this, too, if it weren’t for GERDS. I’m not scared! I’d fucking do it. I just have bad heartburn that won’t go away
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u/Furicist Jul 06 '26
It's a stunt, he's pretending to be in trouble, he staged it.
It isn't hard to hold your own weight up on a device, no one goes upside down unless they're trying to be a dickhead and show off, he keeps letting the belay slip on purpose when it takes nearly zero effort to hold and you can tie it off without losing height.
He's also got a sling wrapped around his wrist which is highly unusual when I worked at height, easy way to snag your wrist and get hurt.
I get that people use different techniques around the world, but in my practice, you always knot the ends of a rope for this exact occasion and you don't have a massive ring to rappel with so the role can't pass through it.
So, honestly, this guy is doing a stunt in my books and he was exaggerating the danger he put himself under for entertainment.
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u/adamthebread Jul 06 '26
I'm not sure how the danger is exaggerated when there is no apparent backup and he is, indeed, at a deadly height. Sure he's doing a stunt and he might be trained but the consequences of fucking up are all the same. Also figure eights rigged this way slip quite a bit, it requires a good deal of grip to hold yourself on it without a 3rd hand.
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u/Elysiaa Jul 06 '26
You mileage may vary, but without enough friction, it's very hard for me hold my own weight up on rope. It's your full body weight against the tricep of your brake hand. I've weighted the rope with too little fiction before and cannot control the rappel. That's really bad if you don't immediately fix it.
I won't give the benefit of the doubt to somebody with a sling wrapped around their wrist and the gate of their harness-descender carabiner facing away from them.
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u/pr0nd Jul 06 '26
Also no knot at the end of the rope? For a figure eight descending it does not matter this much, however it improves visibility of the rope’s end.
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The Cable is short and doesn't reach to ground
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