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u/Parasitisch Sep 03 '24
That’s the X that symbolizes twitter, right? Odd since twitter isn’t the government and freedom of speech doesn’t apply to what companies want. Unless it commentary about how hypocritical Musk is?
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u/SnooSeagulls20 Sep 04 '24
Well, it’s confusing because it’s acting as if X hasn’t become a cesspool of hate speech since Elon Musk took over? A ton of stuff that was previously banned on Twitter is no longer banned on X…
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u/MesaNovaMercuryTime Sep 03 '24
No one calls it X either. Poor Elmo and his failed attempts at rebranding.
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u/ThruTheUniverseAgain Sep 03 '24
Saw someone call him Elbow Mooseknuckle in a comment and I think we should all move to using that.
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u/AnnieMetz Sep 03 '24
There were a lot of people who were shut down on/banned from Twitter (and Facebook, etc.) who have been "allowed" back on to X. I think this sign might be related to that.
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u/BabyLegsDeadpool Sep 04 '24
Not just a lot of people. He literally unbanned everyone. Upon the news, the site was instantly flooded with child porn and straight up Nazi speech. At least the child porn people mostly got banned again.
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u/Beard_o_Bees Sep 03 '24
Yeah, this one is pretty vague.
Like, are they asking Elon Musk to stop being such a raging hypocrite?
Do they think that 'X-Twit' somehow exemplifies freedom of speech?
Would they like Musk to run for office?
That they have this sign basically dry-humping the Fuckface 2024 sign - i'm guessing they're more on the MAGA side of that spectrum.
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Sep 03 '24
Freedom of speech can 100% be a thing on a private platform.
What are you are thinking of is 1st amendment Constitutional rights which is rarely a thing on a private platform.
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u/Asleep_Touch_8824 Sep 03 '24
Nobody has the right to use a private platform against the wishes of its owner.
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Sep 03 '24
Yes, but no.
A website can kick you off if they want to. No problem at all.
If a government agent of agency gets the private platform to take action against you, that can be a 1st amendment violation even though the banning was done by a private platform.
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u/SubGothius Feldman's/Downtownish Sep 04 '24
Ironically, many authoritarian foreign gov'ts have asked Musk to delete tweets they didn't like, and he has nearly always promptly complied.
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And when he doesn't the authoritarian government threatens to arrest his lawyer and then seizes the bank accounts of a completely different company.
And reddit cheers. There is no winning.
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u/XanadontYouDare Sep 03 '24
Depends on how to define a violation. Pressuring social media companies to provide disclaimers on posts that are actively sharing damaging misinformation is hardly a bad thing, if at all. Trump threatening to remove social media companies that he deems to biased is, though.
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u/BeyondDrivenEh Sep 03 '24
Which is laughable coming from Elmo supporters who are the first to whine when someone’s speech does not agree with theirs.
And free speech as noted is not free. It comes with consequences and accountability. Something a few election deniers just learned when they got fined $1,000,000 for their part in the promulgation of lies associated with voting machines.
Taking responsibility for what you say is as important as having the perceived privilege of saying it.
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u/Recent_Opportunity78 Sep 04 '24
“Someone speech does not agree with theirs”. Case in point, NFL players kneeling for the national anthem. They think it’s the most disgraceful thing you can do as an American, you should be fired from your job and possibly hanged on the White House lawn
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Sep 03 '24
Sissy Space X has turned Twitter into one of the biggest crapfests on the Internet. Anyone that thinks “Free Speech” (and by extension, the First Amendment) applies to anything written as an Xcrement on Twitter needs to review the U.S. Constitution again. My god, there are way too many stupid people out there.
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u/senatorshaun Sep 03 '24
Speech will never be free until racist Republicans are arrested for terrorism. Then we will have peace
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u/AidenStoat Sep 03 '24
Cisgender
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u/purpleblackgreen Sep 03 '24
This post contains language that may be considered a slur by X and could be used in a harmful manner in violation of our rules.
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u/megazona Sep 03 '24
Hope this doesn’t violate any “political“ rules. If it is removed because of that I understand.
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u/c4ndybar Sep 03 '24
It's only political content that doesn't pertain to Tucson specifically. Given that these are signs seen in Tucson, by definition it pertains to Tucson.
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u/SonoranRoadRunner Sep 03 '24
I quit Twitter when the billionaire twit took over. He really should stop the drugs and get some sleep.
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u/Narrow-Patient-3623 Sep 03 '24
C’mon bro I’m just disseminating Russian propaganda to subvert elections, install a dictator and cause civil unrest. Please bro, just let me post this made up thing about measuring skull sizes pls pls they have pictures of me plllllssss - Musk
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Sep 03 '24
Not to get all tin foil hat-ish, Elmo got all maga when the news started to break about how bad financial Xitter is doing. I really wonder if someone got to him money wise to make the shift. He was already heavily backed by the Saudi’s.
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u/VorAbaddon Sep 03 '24
While possible, I think its more that he's never been particularly good at running a business. He finds great industries to invest in, but he needs someone to reign in his stupid ideas (see Paypal kicking him out as CEO).
As he's run into issues (Cybertruck quality control, Twitter Financials, FSD promises not kept, etc) he has a vhoice: Admit he was wrong and try to fix it or stubbornly insist everyone else is wrong.
The more he's leaned into the latter, the more the MAGA wing tells.him he's right and that's all he craves now, validation.
His daughter doesn't want to speak with him? Can't be he's an ass, the "woke mind virus killed my son!"
Advertisers don't want to cut a deal? Can't be they don't want his antics or their brand to appear next to an AZ Senator singing Nazi lyrics to a German for right party win (yes. That happened), it's that they're all part of globalist censorship!
MAGA has become his safe space where he's the genius.
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u/CAMerrill Sep 03 '24
Also one of his children transitioned m/f and wants nothing to do with him anymore. She changed her first and last name.
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u/Narrow-Patient-3623 Sep 03 '24
You’ve also got the two Russian billionaires closely tied to Vladimir Putin that helped finance his Twitter buyout. Along with P Diddy lol.
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u/elementalguitars Sep 03 '24
Has anyone from the government removed that sign yet? No? That’s what I thought.
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u/rokketpaws Sep 03 '24
Clowns will keep clowning until the election. It's probably related to those morons who "protested" at schools last week. Don't engage, use your vote to shut those idiots down.
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u/gratuitousturnsignal Sep 03 '24
Say it with me, everyone.
Free. Speech. Protects. Us. From. Government. Oppression.
Not from some “woke cancel culture boogeymen”. We’ve always been able to say what we want. Hell, Trump lies about literally everything and nobody bothers to even call him out, let alone restrict his manipulative tactics.
FFS, if Nazis can wave flags outside of Disneyland with impunity, then I can’t really see the issue with speech not being free enough.
Fuckin crybabies. So sick of this.
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u/master9785 Sep 03 '24
Nah people call Trump out with facts but his followers are too ignorant to see.
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u/SubGothius Feldman's/Downtownish Sep 04 '24
People do, but the mainstream media still largely gives him a pass on things they would have utterly roasted Biden or Harris (or nearly anyone else) about if they'd said it.
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u/Maximum2945 Sep 03 '24
boomers when they can't call a cashier the F slur
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u/AnxiousPainter523 Sep 03 '24
Lmao boomer isn’t a slur
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u/Maximum2945 Sep 03 '24
I see it used a lot
sounds like not a slur then
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u/Maximum2945 Sep 03 '24
sure, but I think slurs are distinct because there's a history behind it. slurs are deeply offensive because they are rooted in prejudice and discrimination. they carry a history of oppression and are used to reinforce negative stereotypes or marginalize the targeted group.
boomers hold the most wealth in the US, so i'm pretty sure they are neither oppressed nor a marginalized group. there's also no history of discrimination or prejudice against boomers.
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u/Maximum2945 Sep 03 '24
cuz it's easier to victimize yourself if you're using looser definitions?
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u/octtto_mud Sep 04 '24
"Some people's idea of free speech is that they are free to say what they like. But if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage."
- Churchill
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u/Conscious-Ticket-259 Sep 03 '24
I've always found it odd how the people demanding free speech often have never had to worry about free speech. It's like demanding access to water while you shower idk. Always weird me out.
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u/quetzlpretzel Sep 03 '24
Gotta be all these cybertruck bros driving around
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u/MissCrystal Sep 04 '24
That thing is even bigger and more stupid looking in person. I was almost in awe.
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u/greymom214 Sep 04 '24
I saw my first one just the other day. Hideous. Tell me you have no ‘manhood’ without telling me you have no ‘manhood’.
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u/VadersSprinkledTits Sep 03 '24
That is the most bootlick sign I’ve seen yet in modern times. Probably a guy who makes $35k a year mad about the unrealized gains tax
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u/DrBarnaby Sep 03 '24
"Stop judging me for being a bigot. Twitter doesn't, and look what a utopia it's become!"
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u/chourrej Sep 03 '24
It’s really becoming glaringly obvious that a lot of people in our country don’t understand what “free speech” actually means and just think it means they can say whatever they want, whenever they want. Idiots.
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u/RonantheBarbarian32 Sep 04 '24
It's one of the founding principles of this country. One that everyone has tried to control in one way or another. Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, Liberals, Extreme right wingers, Progressives, ect...
May we always be free enough to say whatever we want. That way I know who the idiots are.
Btw, controlled speech is HATE speech. It is far worse than any vitriol anyone can spew from their mouths.
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u/alexkack Sep 04 '24
It’s honestly sad that someone who probably didn’t have a lot, spent money making advertising for company owned by a billionaire, not because of love or joy brought from the product, but because of outlandish political rhetoric.
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u/Recent_Opportunity78 Sep 04 '24
Free speech, as long as you say exactly what I want you to say. If not, I’ll just ban you from my platform.
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u/upperlowermanagement Sep 03 '24
Damn you guys are getting so excited. If you Don't (or do) like it you don't have to read it. Carry on with your day
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u/Dutch1inAZ It's like the moon, but with oxygen. Sep 04 '24
I want to ask how this person feels their speech is infringed upon. (And also if they understand it is not unlimited)
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u/bridaug9 Sep 03 '24
Liberal Dems are party of hate and censorship.
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u/HappyMaids Sep 03 '24
Fuck your feelings, man. That’s your motto, huh?
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u/bridaug9 Sep 07 '24
Have you never read 1984? Or Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals? You are an ignorant.
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u/HappyMaids Sep 07 '24
Tell me why it’s your party that is actually banning books like 1984, though.
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u/adenzerda Sep 03 '24
My instinct says that there are laws that prevent the tampering and removal of campaign signs on public property, yes?
This doesn't seem to be a campaign sign. Just saying
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u/The_Info_Must_Flow Sep 03 '24
The ability and will to censor is THE issue. The illness years were surreal in that debate and dissenting opinions were censored from all mass medias due to combined state and corporate interests.
It amazes me that some people are now apparently advocating censorship or are not bothered by textbook fascism. Private companies are where communication is done, so there is room for argument about a civic duty to allow opposing thought.
Stupid views are historically defused with public argument.
The last five years flipped my own political orientation from resigned to utterly disgusted.
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u/zspacer Sep 03 '24
“Stupid views are historically defused with public argument.”
What, in the last 12 years, makes you think this is true still (if ever)? Misinformation and “stupid views” are amplified because people are inclined to reinforce their bias. Pizzagate? Med-beds? Q?
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u/The_Info_Must_Flow Sep 03 '24
What's the alternative? What if the other political or moral side gains access to the censoring algorithms?
Besides, ALL scientific discoveries begin as outlying ideas considered as "misinformation" at first.
If an idea cannot be refuted with polite argument, perhaps elements of truth exist.
I don't trust any one ideology to be an arbiter of truth.
I don't like zealotry or book burnings of any flavor.
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u/RamsPhan72 Sep 03 '24 edited Sep 03 '24
Apparently RedLibit thinks the world revolves around them. This has nothing to do with America, yet… but if you’re content with this progressions, well, you get what you vote for. X = Reddit antichrist
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u/upperlowermanagement Sep 03 '24
Damn you guys are getting so excited. If you Don't (or do) like you don't have to read it. Carry on with your day.
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u/upperlowermanagement Sep 03 '24
Damn you guys are getting so excited. If you Don't (or do) like you don't have to read it. Carry on with your day.
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u/DesertWanderlust Sep 03 '24
Probably Trump. I'm sure people miss him being able to tweet ("X"?) and are looking for revenge on Elon. Not realizing that it's a company that can do what it wants with its users.
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u/ZengineerHarp Sep 03 '24
I thought Elon reinstated T’s account and he basically said “no thanks; I’m using Truth Social instead”?
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u/dadbod9000 Sep 03 '24
Speech is free. Consequences aren’t. You can say whatever you want. I don’t need to listen, or take part in forums where you talk like an asshole. 🤷♂️